B-Man Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What did the deficit look like under Obama vs Trump? The post, and the thread is about how the media is twisting the truth. You cannot address, so you divert. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: When the 50th state went to a declared national disaster (Wyoming on Saturday), things changed. Money from Uncle Sam Sugar comes with strings. Sometimes long strings. Trump seems to like making a declarative line in the sand, makes conciliatory noises to bring people in so they are (or at least feel they are) part of the decisions, and then he negotiates from there. Push-pull.Do I think he is going to do any of these things? No idea. I sincerely hope not. Does he have the legal authority to do them? Apparently so. It's like people never read Art of the Deal. It's Trump negotiating in real time, through the media. Talk big, threaten big, then take the advantage when the other side comes to negotiate. It's literally the same thing he did with Kim in the DPRK. Shake the stick, rattle the cages, and then wait for your opponent to soften their stance. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, B-Man said: The post, and the thread is about how the media is twisting the truth. You cannot address, so you divert. LOL As you clearly sidestep a simple question because you hate the answer. Reality is that Obama inherited a mess ($1.4 trillion deficit) and left with the books in much better shape ($585 billion deficit). Trump turned Obama's $585 billion deficit into $1.083 trillion in just under 3 years despite "the best economy ever". Trump has been a colossal disaster on spending. There's nothing conservative at all about his approach to trying to balance the budget or keep Federal spending in check. Only an idiot ramps up federal spending when the economy is humming. That's when you're supposed to be paying down your debt and getting your house in order. Edited April 16, 2020 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: LOL As you clearly sidestep a simple question because you hate the answer. Reality is that Obama inherited a mess ($1.4 trillion deficit) and left with the books in much better shape ($585 billion deficit). Trump turned Obama's $585 billion deficit into $1.083 trillion in just under 3 years despite "the best economy ever". Trump has been a colossal disaster on spending. There's nothing conservative at all about his approach to trying to balance the budget or keep Federal spending in check. Only an idiot ramps up federal spending when the economy is humming. That's when you're supposed to be paying down your debt and getting your house in order. Some people just want to b!tch and b!tch and b!tch!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, westside2 said: Some people just want to b!tch and b!tch and b!tch!!! Some people just want to live with their head in the sand, like yourself! Trump has been a fiscal disaster. He goes against everything conservatives have claimed to stand for for the past 20 years. The fact that "conservatives" support him is a mystery given he's done everything they bitched and moaned about from 2009 to 2017, only much worse. Edited April 16, 2020 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: LOL As you clearly sidestep a simple question because you hate the answer. Reality is that Obama inherited a mess ($1.4 trillion deficit) and left with the books in much better shape ($585 billion deficit). Trump turned Obama's $585 billion deficit into $1.083 trillion in just under 3 years. Trump has been a colossal disaster on spending. There's nothing conservative at all about his approach to trying to balance the budget or keep Federal spending in check. I told you why, you continue to obfuscate and miss the point of the post. That's okay...........no one expects any different of you Back to the thread.................... . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Some people just want to live with their head in the sand, like yourself! Trump has been a fiscal disaster. He goes against everything conservatives have claimed to stand for for the past 20 years. The fact that "conservatives" support him is a mystery given he's done everything they bitched and moaned about from 2009 to 2017, only much worse. Is that your talking point for today? You never seem to find something to b!tch about even if you have to make it up. It must really suck to have someone you hate so much living in your head rent free. Lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, westside2 said: Is that your talking point for today? You never seem to find something to b!tch about even if you have to make it up. It must really suck to have someone you hate so much living in your head rent free. Lol Wow! Your argument was filled with facts, expert analysis and quotes to clearly prove Trump hasn't been a fiscal disaster to the country. Thanks for clearing things up so superbly. Taking a $585 billion deficit and doubling it in 3 years during an economic boom was incredible. Only a master economic planner with a long track record of financial success could achieve such impressive results in such a short amount of time. I can't wait to see what the deficit will be this year. $1.5 trillion? $1.7 trillion? 2 trillion?!?! Who cares about our children and grandchildren. Those tax cuts to the uber wealthy and ballooning government spending will all be worth it in the long run. I'm sure hypocritical "fiscal conservatives" will be able to provide all the answers as to why the deficit mattered so much from 2009 to 2017 but not from 2017 onward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, westside2 said: Reality is that Obama inherited a mess ($1.4 trillion deficit) and left with the books in much better shape ($585 billion deficit). No, that is not a reality... The entire mess in 2009 is attributed to Bush, but Obama added a trillion to what Bush handed him to get his not so "shovel ready" stimulus plan through that ended up going to Solyndra type crap instead. So REALITY IS! Obama left Trump in worse shape budget wise, and economy wise than what Obama got 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Nothing to see here... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 18 hours ago, jrober38 said: Trump's lack of understanding of the Constitution is shocking. I can't wait until he tries to tell States that they have to "reopen" their economies and remove social distancing guidelines. over 3 years and you don't have him figured out. He knows he doesn't have the authority to order the states to reopen, but he set the narrative that the Governors have to make the decisions. Which means they can all now open when they want, like Texas is. But it also means the Governors now own all the consequences of opening too early or too late. Come November no one can blame POTUS if we get another surge (doubt it) of the virus, and no one can blame him if their state is an economic wreck because they waited too long to reopen. He is always several steps ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: LOL As you clearly sidestep a simple question because you hate the answer. Reality is that Obama inherited a mess ($1.4 trillion deficit) and left with the books in much better shape ($585 billion deficit). Trump turned Obama's $585 billion deficit into $1.083 trillion in just under 3 years despite "the best economy ever". Trump has been a colossal disaster on spending. There's nothing conservative at all about his approach to trying to balance the budget or keep Federal spending in check. Only an idiot ramps up federal spending when the economy is humming. That's when you're supposed to be paying down your debt and getting your house in order. yeah, you being the disingenuous poster you are accusing B-Man of being. Trump inherited a mess, much like Obama did. the reason the Obamanation's final deficit was so ,low is because he essentially gutted the military. most of Trump's rise in the deficit is because of the efforts to rebuild what the Obamanation would not do. there are other programs he has had to replenish as well. not saying i agree with MIC issues, only stating the reality on the ground. additionally, in '12 the Obamanation had a deficit of 1.2 trillion. 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Wow! Your argument was filled with facts, expert analysis and quotes to clearly prove Trump hasn't been a fiscal disaster to the country. Thanks for clearing things up so superbly. Taking a $585 billion deficit and doubling it in 3 years during an economic boom was incredible. Only a master economic planner with a long track record of financial success could achieve such impressive results in such a short amount of time. I can't wait to see what the deficit will be this year. $1.5 trillion? $1.7 trillion? 2 trillion?!?! Who cares about our children and grandchildren. Those tax cuts to the uber wealthy and ballooning government spending will all be worth it in the long run. I'm sure hypocritical "fiscal conservatives" will be able to provide all the answers as to why the deficit mattered so much from 2009 to 2017 but not from 2017 onward. again, stop with the disingeuiousness. we are currently living through an event that is unparalleled in history. to think that there will not be spending that is out of this world is plain partisanship, if not being just downright oblivious to events on the ground. Edited April 16, 2020 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Remember people, Trump had to rebuild our military. Obama had depleted the stocks of spare parts and ammunition to a level that was scary. Planes couldn't fly and servicemen were actually short of ammunition when they were in war zones. Trump had to pay the democrat's price to get additional military funding which was them getting an equal amount of money for social programs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Remember people, Trump had to rebuild our military. Obama had depleted the stocks of spare parts and ammunition to a level that was scary. Planes couldn't fly and servicemen were actually short of ammunition when they were in war zones. Trump had to pay the democrat's price to get additional military funding which was them getting an equal amount of money for social programs. Yes, but just remember that it's Trump's fault in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 China has reported that its economy shrank almost 7 percent since the coronavirus outbreak began (it’s anybody’s guess what the actual number is). The New York Times originally framed that story this way: But for some reason, that headline didn’t last long: Wonder who in the Joe Biden campaign told them to do that. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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