row_33 Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 I'd probably start with his Twitter-bashing of the parents of a dead soldier and go from there. Is that comparable to committing perjury under oath as Bill Clinton did? Be really careful before you go "yeah whatever" on that topic....
Doc Brown Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Its' also more embarrassing that otherwise presumably intelligent people are backing this guy, for no decent reason. Maybe embarrassing isn't the right word...shameful is probably more accurate. Backing this guy for no decent reason? He's our president and we should all be backing him as Americans even if you don't agree with his policies or temperament. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying he wanted Obama to fail right as he took office and that kind of threw me to how partisan we've become. Defending him and backing him are two different things.
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Its' also more embarrassing that otherwise presumably intelligent people are backing this guy, for no decent reason. Maybe embarrassing isn't the right word...shameful is probably more accurate. Very few people here back him. Very many people here like to point out what raging hypocrites the left is. But that's not the same as backing Trump. Backing this guy for no decent reason? He's our president and we should all be backing him as Americans even if you don't agree with his policies or temperament. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying he wanted Obama to fail right as he took office and that kind of threw me to how partisan we've become. Defending him and backing him are two different things. That's called "collaboration with the enemy."
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Is that comparable to committing perjury under oath as Bill Clinton did? Be really careful before you go "yeah whatever" on that topic.... This is the problem with partisan ideology: it's made it impossible to have a discussion on a perfectly reasonable subject, like whether criticizing the mother of a dead soldier is an example of 'terrible behavior', without having to wade through all the 'Well, THESE guys did it THIS thing TOO!' buffonery.
Buftex Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Very few people here back him. Very many people here like to point out what raging hypocrites the left is. But that's not the same as backing Trump. That's called "collaboration with the enemy." Sorry, I should have clarified...when I said "presumably intelligent people" I was referring to congressmen and senators. It is just painful (and shameful in my view) to listen to these people trying to sell whatever BS he is selling, when it is obvious they aren't even in agreement with him. Their "we have to win something" is outrageous. The GOP is showing an alarming lack of spine. I wasn't really referring to people on TSW. And, lets be honest, neither side of the aisle is exclusive to "raging hypocrisy".
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Sorry, I should have clarified...when I said "presumably intelligent people" I was referring to congressmen and senators. It is just painful (and shameful in my view) to listen to these people trying to sell whatever BS he is selling, when it is obvious they aren't even in agreement with him. Their "we have to win something" is outrageous. The GOP is showing an alarming lack of spine. I wasn't really referring to people on TSW. It's less "backing Trump" than it is "my party, right or wrong." I suspect - with no real proof, mind you - that a good number of Republican legislators hate Trump, but are afraid of his popular support within the party. Of course, they should still all be shot. Even though they're not Nazis, Nazi collaborators should be fought with violence as well. And, lets be honest, neither side of the aisle is exclusive to "raging hypocrisy". Wouldn't suggest otherwise. But the key difference is that the left thinks their raging hypocrisy is somehow "the high road." And, lets be honest, neither side of the aisle is exclusive to "raging hypocrisy".
grinreaper Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Backing this guy for no decent reason? He's our president and we should all be backing him as Americans even if you don't agree with his policies or temperament. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying he wanted Obama to fail right as he took office and that kind of threw me to how partisan we've become. Defending him and backing him are two different things. Every once in awhile I see that "quote" from Limbaugh brought up. It's is taken totally out of context. Limbaugh was saying that he wanted Obama's policies to not be put in place. He wanted him to fail to pass legislation like the ACA. I didn't want the ACA either. I knew it was bound to fail because it went against the premise of insurance. I would have been happy though if for some reason it succeeded.
Doc Brown Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Sorry, I should have clarified...when I said "presumably intelligent people" I was referring to congressmen and senators. It is just painful (and shameful in my view) to listen to these people trying to sell whatever BS he is selling, when it is obvious they aren't even in agreement with him. Their "we have to win something" is outrageous. The GOP is showing an alarming lack of spine. I wasn't really referring to people on TSW. And, lets be honest, neither side of the aisle is exclusive to "raging hypocrisy". I agree to a certain extent like when Paul Ryan said "he's new at this" when he told Comey to see if he could just let the Michael Flynn investigation go. My first thought was if he's so new at this then why did he tell everybody else to get out of the room before Trump told Comey that. You also have to keep in mind that some GOP Senators and all GOP Congressman are up for reelection and don't want to insult the Trump fan base no matter what stupid things he says, tweets, or does. Most politicians are bought and paid for (on both sides) and these donors want a return on their investment so it would only make sense to criticize Trump if it helps push their agenda. Maybe I've grown too cynical, but most politicians lost personal integrity a long time ago. Every once in awhile I see that "quote" from Limbaugh brought up. It's is taken totally out of context. Limbaugh was saying that he wanted Obama's policies to not be put in place. He wanted him to fail to pass legislation like the ACA. I didn't want the ACA either. I knew it was bound to fail because it went against the premise of insurance. I would have been happy though if for some reason it succeeded. Okay. That makes more sense considering where we were as a country economically in '09. I don't listen to the guy so I guess I'm guilty of hearing it from a second hand source out of context.
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Its' also more embarrassing that otherwise presumably intelligent people are backing this guy, for no decent reason. Maybe embarrassing isn't the right word...shameful is probably more accurate.
Buftex Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 It's less "backing Trump" than it is "my party, right or wrong." I suspect - with no real proof, mind you - that a good number of Republican legislators hate Trump, but are afraid of his popular support within the party. Of course, they should still all be shot. Even though they're not Nazis, Nazi collaborators should be fought with violence as well. Wouldn't suggest otherwise. But the key difference is that the left thinks their raging hypocrisy is somehow "the high road." And, lets be honest, neither side of the aisle is exclusive to "raging hypocrisy". Well, doesn't everyone who has an opinion think that they are right?
Deranged Rhino Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 For some, that's certainly true. But I'd say most want to watch the broken systems burn... which, if done overnight or without care, would result in the world burning I guess... so maybe its the same thing. Then again, alchemy - the transmutation into a new, better state of being, often through fire - has been a cornerstone belief of many, many institutions of power since the beginning of history. Maybe there's some value to it.
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Well, doesn't everyone who has an opinion think that they are right? You'd think so...but given the frequency with which people complain that I always think I'm right, the only explanation is that most people walk around holding opinions they know are wrong.
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) For some, that's certainly true. But I'd say most want to watch the broken systems burn... which, if done overnight or without care, would result in the world burning I guess... so maybe its the same thing. Then again, alchemy - the transmutation into a new, better state of being, often through fire - has been a cornerstone belief of many, many institutions of power since the beginning of history. Maybe there's some value to it. You do realize how "good" we ALL have/had it. Put down our petty jealousy's. Keep dreaming, searching for that philosopher's stone. Trump ain't it, nobody is. There's only one moral answer and it could be anything else but Trump. As Americans we lack a moral guiding light. We put lead into the crucible and guess what we got out? A big glob of melted, deformed... You guessed it: lead. Gee... What a real shock! I was hoping for a little Au, it is only three atomic numbers off. Nothing a little heat won't solve. Edited June 29, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 I honestly feel you're just looking up left wing talking points and pasting them to here. The media is throwing darts at him like no president I've ever seen in my lifetime. That's saying a lot considering we've had Nixon and GW as president. There have been many presidents that have tried to maintain a low profile with the press. Given Trump's amazing ability to continuously shoot himself in the foot when doing interviews along with the media's insatiable appetite to try and bring down this administration, I think laying low and only doing interviews that won't try and trap you is the smart play. They should be attacking him. We've never had a president lie this much, behave so foolishly and act it's his own personal interest like this before. Not to mention the Russia thing. The media is suppose to ignore that? And the clown cried to the heavens about lack of transparency and now can't explain anything he is doing with our government? Glad to know you are ok with president protecting himself from the media and public like that. That's the spirit that made us a great country! And Trump's argument that no other president has been treated this way is such crap. Nixon never had Fox News backing him up or the whole right wing alt right media network. Poor Trump, boo hoo
gatorbait Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Trump is a disgrace, he deserves whatever he gets from the media and anyone else.
Benjamin Franklin Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) He would be fired for saying what he tweeted if he was CEO. But like the people here deflecting and there are quite a few, there is no standard That they care to uphold, so he can keep setting that example and not raise anywhere near the outcry that decency suggests. Edited June 30, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin
DC Tom Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 He would be fired for saying what he tweeted if he was CEO. Has he ever actually answered to a board of directors? But like the people here deflecting and there are quite a few, there is no standard That they care to uphold, so he can keep setting that example and not raise anywhere near the outcry that decency suggests. Yep, we're all just Nazi collaborators.
row_33 Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Now we have experts on the firing practices of major corporate officers and directors. At least it's getting warm at night on that park bench.
Benjamin Franklin Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 Yep, we're all just Nazi collaborators. You got what you voted for, but you don't have to avoid criticizing it.
Doc Brown Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 They should be attacking him. We've never had a president lie this much, behave so foolishly and act it's his own personal interest like this before. Not to mention the Russia thing. The media is suppose to ignore that? And the clown cried to the heavens about lack of transparency and now can't explain anything he is doing with our government? Glad to know you are ok with president protecting himself from the media and public like that. That's the spirit that made us a great country! And Trump's argument that no other president has been treated this way is such crap. Nixon never had Fox News backing him up or the whole right wing alt right media network. Poor Trump, boo hoo No. The media isn't supposed to ignore that. A quick five minute segment on the stupid tweets would of sufficed and then you go into more substantive issues. As far as lies goes, we all know he lies about the small things before the election, but previous presidents have told big lies we are still paying the consequences for. "Iraq is developing and has weapons of mass destruction" and "If you want your doctor, you can keep your doctor" come to mind. My problem with the media and democratic politicians is they comically overreact to things. "The GOP Senate bill will kill thousands of people" when it's not that different than Obamacare. They roll back medicaid expansion slightly and get rid of the individual mandate. That's far from a free market healthcare system. "These tweets are beneath the office of the president." The voters knew this was who Trump was before they voted. It's the DNC's rigging of the primaries (why were their only two serious candidates?) that led to a $hitty corrupt democratic nominee that couldn't even beat a guy as buffoonish as Trump.
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