The Media's Portrayal of Trump and His Presidency

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Why can't Trump fire Mueller directly if the Executive branch is in control of the situation?

See DC Tom's post above.  The easiest way for Trump to get rid of Mueller would to be to order Rosenstein to fire Russia.  If Rosenstein refuses to do so and resigns then Trump would just go the next senior official in the justice department to fire Mueller (see Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre).  The smartest thing for Trump to do is let the investigation play out.

[Bob in Mich]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

See DC Tom's post above.  The easiest way for Trump to get rid of Mueller would to be to order Rosenstein to fire Russia.  If Rosenstein refuses to do so and resigns then Trump would just go the next senior official in the justice department to fire Mueller (see Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre).  The smartest thing for Trump to do is let the investigation play out.

 

Is it really the smartest thing for Trump to do?  If his administration is innocent, without a doubt then letting it play out is the wise move.  A Mueller exoneration would likely be the best way to clear Trump.

 

Hypothetically lets suppose he and his people are guilty of some serious misdeeds and Trump knows full well that the serious misdeeds will be revealed if the Mueller investigation goes to completion.  (Recall I said hypothetically.)  Now, given those suppositions, would letting the investigation play out be the smartest course?

 

So many of Trump's allies are telling him the same thing - 'Don't fire Mueller.  Just let it play out'.  I think these allies assume Mueller's charges will not rise to the level of impeachable offenses.

 

So...if Trump does start the dominoes falling by ordering Mueller's firing, it would seem extremely likely that Trump is trying to cover up some serious misdeeds.  Time will tell but it looks to me like he is preparing to have Mueller fired.  Those allies might want to start concocting their 'crazy like a fox' explanations to explain why Trump was actually brilliant to fire Mueller.

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

See DC Tom's post above.  The easiest way for Trump to get rid of Mueller would to be to order Rosenstein to fire Russia.  If Rosenstein refuses to do so and resigns then Trump would just go the next senior official in the justice department to fire Mueller (see Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre).  The smartest thing for Trump to do is let the investigation play out.

While he's at it he should fire Iran and North Korea and put a written warning in China's personnel file.

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Is it really the smartest thing for Trump to do?  If his administration is innocent, without a doubt then letting it play out is the wise move.  A Mueller exoneration would likely be the best way to clear Trump.

 

 

Theoretically, yes.  In reality...a huge swath of the electorate sees anything resembling a Trump exoneration as a crime itself, and evidence that the country has been taken over by fascists.

 

There really is no winning endgame to the Mueller investigation.

[boyst]

On 5/4/2018 at 3:06 PM, Kemp said:

 

When you're saying one side is being consistently deceitful and the other side is Trump and his propensity to lie every single day (that is  verifiable fact, not an opinion) it's difficult to take the rest of this seriously. 

Until the investigation is complete, we can't be certain of much, other than some involved have already pleaded guilty to various crimes. So far we know this about Manafort's supposed role in all of the this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/report-former-trump-chair-paul-manafort-and-partner-told-to-surrender/544331/.

Why the desire from some to shut it down if there were no crimes committed? 

 

As to where this investigation may head, one need look no further than the Clinton investigation that concluded in an impeachment based on nothing related to the original investigation. We have watched this process before, but this time it's not fair to do it the same way?

 

When one side opens a door, it shouldn't surprise when the other side uses the same door.

 

Trump and his supporters claimed they wanted to drain the swamp, so let's proceed and see exactly what's in this swamp..

Manafort has nothing to do with Trump

On 5/4/2018 at 5:05 PM, Kemp said:

 

There is usually not proof of anything revealed to the public in a criminal prosecution until the case is presented. I have no idea if there was collusion. The only thing we know is that an attempt at collusion was made. We don't know whether it was successful. There is no law against collusion, anyway.

In either case, this will most likely become a money-laundering prosecution. 

We'll all have to wait to see how it plays out

 

Preparing an insanity defense.

No we don't retard.

 

We have no proof of this

 

And innocent until proven guilty is still a thing.  The burden is on the State. 

 

Your butthurt feelings getting assblasted by a president you don't like while you are rimming a whore political ideology is laughable.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

Manafort has nothing to do with Trump

No we don't retard.

 

We have no proof of this

 

And innocent until proven guilty is still a thing.  The burden is on the State. 

 

Your butthurt feelings getting assblasted by a president you don't like while you are rimming a whore political ideology is laughable.

You sure licked him!

[Kemp]

15 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Manafort has nothing to do with Trump

No we don't retard.

 

We have no proof of this

 

And innocent until proven guilty is still a thing.  The burden is on the State. 

 

Your butthurt feelings getting assblasted by a president you don't like while you are rimming a whore political ideology is laughable.

 

"Manafort has nothing to do with Trump".

 

Campaign managers have nothing to do with the person who is running for office?

 

We KNOW that the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt to get dirt on Clinton from Russia and that one of the attendees did work for Putin and his buddies.

 

Isn't it funny that when some people get angry about a discussion, they go to homosexual references?

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

Isn't it funny that when some people get angry about a discussion, they go to homosexual references?

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

"Manafort has nothing to do with Trump".

 

Campaign managers have nothing to do with the person who is running for office?

 

We KNOW that the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt to get dirt on Clinton from Russia and that one of the attendees did work for Putin and his buddies.

 

Isn't it funny that when some people get angry about a discussion, they go to homosexual references?

I don't get angry you Christian heterosexual gentleman.

[Deranged Rhino]

6 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

We KNOW that the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt to get dirt on Clinton from Russia and that one of the attendees did work for Putin and his buddies.

 

We also know that same attendee did not have a valid visa to enter the country before that meeting took place. It took urgent and unusual action on behalf of both State and DOJ to approve an 11th hour visa for her to make that meeting... Isn't that odd? 

 

We also know that same attendee claims to speak no English, so a translator was used. Do you know the translators name or employment history? Would it shock you to learn that the translator used was HRCs personal translator at state who now works for meridian? 

 

We also know that same attendee had two other meetings in the us before returning home. One the day before the trump tower meeting and one the day after. Both meetings were with the same person: Glenn Simpson, who doesn't speak Russian.

 

So the lynch pin to the whole meeting, who is a known Kremlin asset, was allowed an 11th hour visa by emergency state department and DOJ actions, met privately with Fusion GPS (twice) despite not being able to communicate with Simpson, and every witness in the meeting not a part of trumps campaign had direct ties to 44 and/or Clinton...

 

Serious question, Kemp, doesn't that seem odd to you? I bet most of those facts - and they are facts - are new to you. Do you wonder why you haven't been told those details before? Don't they make a BIG difference in terms of understanding how the meeting came togethe and what it's actual purpose was? 

 

Or or is that just noise?

[Tiberius]

6 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

"Manafort has nothing to do with Trump".

 

Campaign managers have nothing to do with the person who is running for office?

 

We KNOW that the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt to get dirt on Clinton from Russia and that one of the attendees did work for Putin and his buddies.

 

Isn't it funny that when some people get angry about a discussion, they go to homosexual references?

Correct.

 

The judge Trump was touting as a voice of reason was not really helping Trump, he just wanted clarification of why all the charges against Manafort could not be farmed out to a lesser jurisdiction like Cohen's was. And the prosecutors said the Manafort's case directly links to Trumps but they did not want to make public how. 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

We also know that same attendee did not have a valid visa to enter the country before that meeting took place. It took urgent and unusual action on behalf of both State and DOJ to approve an 11th hour visa for her to make that meeting... Isn't that odd? 

 

We also know that same attendee claims to speak no English, so a translator was used. Do you know the translators name or employment history? Would it shock you to learn that the translator used was HRCs personal translator at state who now works for meridian? 

 

We also know that same attendee had two other meetings in the us before returning home. One the day before the trump tower meeting and one the day after. Both meetings were with the same person: Glenn Simpson, who doesn't speak Russian.

 

So the lynch pin to the whole meeting, who is a known Kremlin asset, was allowed an 11th hour visa by emergency state department and DOJ actions, met privately with Fusion GPS (twice) despite not being able to communicate with Simpson, and every witness in the meeting not a part of trumps campaign had direct ties to 44 and/or Clinton...

 

Serious question, Kemp, doesn't that seem odd to you? I bet most of those facts - and they are facts - are new to you. Do you wonder why you haven't been told those details before? Don't they make a BIG difference in terms of understanding how the meeting came togethe and what it's actual purpose was? 

 

Or or is that just noise?

It never fails to amuse me when an uninformed liberal comes down here full of piss and vinegar only to make a fool of themselves because all they've ever done is read headlines. This particular pansy-ass probably doesn't even know that his screen name and avatar was a staunch conservative. Jack Kemp is probably throwing up in his mouth seeing who is representing him.

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

We also know that same attendee did not have a valid visa to enter the country before that meeting took place. It took urgent and unusual action on behalf of both State and DOJ to approve an 11th hour visa for her to make that meeting... Isn't that odd? 

 

We also know that same attendee claims to speak no English, so a translator was used. Do you know the translators name or employment history? Would it shock you to learn that the translator used was HRCs personal translator at state who now works for meridian? 

 

We also know that same attendee had two other meetings in the us before returning home. One the day before the trump tower meeting and one the day after. Both meetings were with the same person: Glenn Simpson, who doesn't speak Russian.

 

So the lynch pin to the whole meeting, who is a known Kremlin asset, was allowed an 11th hour visa by emergency state department and DOJ actions, met privately with Fusion GPS (twice) despite not being able to communicate with Simpson, and every witness in the meeting not a part of trumps campaign had direct ties to 44 and/or Clinton...

 

Serious question, Kemp, doesn't that seem odd to you? I bet most of those facts - and they are facts - are new to you. Do you wonder why you haven't been told those details before? Don't they make a BIG difference in terms of understanding how the meeting came togethe and what it's actual purpose was? 

 

Or or is that just noise?

So you agree that team Trump shouldn't have taken the meeting, right? 

 

That they should have called the FBI

 

That they should not have lied about the meeting many, many times

 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you agree that team Trump shouldn't have taken the meeting, right? 

 

That they should have called the FBI

 

That they should not have lied about the meeting many, many times

 

 

So, you must be doubly upset with the dems taking two meetings with the Russkie, plus bending the rules to get her into the country?

[Tiberius]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

So, you must be doubly upset with the dems taking two meetings with the Russkie, plus bending the rules to get her into the country?

To influence the election? 

[outsidethebox]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

To influence the election? 

For the Dems. That was the whole point.  

[Deranged Rhino]

To entrap Trump so that he could be prosecuted once Hillary won. That was the goal. That was her end game. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

To entrap Trump so that he could be prosecuted once Hillary won. That was the goal. That was her end game. 

Right, so then this one incident with the Russians, among many, was a trap that team Trump fell right into. Even if that's true, they fell because of their own corrupt motives, never called the FBI, took the meeting and were hoping Russia could help them. 

 

Cuff em' and stuff em' Roscoe 

[outsidethebox]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Right, so then this one incident with the Russians, among many, was a trap that team Trump fell right into. Even if that's true, they fell because of their own corrupt motives, never called the FBI, took the meeting and were hoping Russia could help them. 

 

Cuff em' and stuff em' Roscoe 

Go back to the coal mines where you belong. 

[Deranged Rhino]

That's not how the law works. Sorry, Prog-fascist.