Maury Ballstein Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 I don't personally care. We are getting the Tyrod of today or the Alex Smith of today. What happened in 2006 with Alex Smith doesn't really indicate what will happen in 2017. Alex Smith's last 4 years, he's posted a 41-20 record as a starter. TT has posted 14-14 in the last 2. I'll take the guy who wins twice as much as he loses. Better for business, IMO. Take me to church I want Tyrod to win a Super Bowl somewhere else just to prove doubters wrong Lololololol. Let's start with beating a .500 team first chief.
Marty McFly Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 I always said Smith can't win in the playoffs but maybe just maybe.....no never mind, he can't. Whaleys gonna end up drafting Watson if he is there at 10. Count on it. It's close, but I'd take Tyrod over Smith. Same. He definitely throws the ball all over the intermediate part of the field. People would then be screaming about us not taking enough shots at deep throws to Watkins. It's a lose, lose situation. thats right.
GunnerBill Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 You would have to worry about Denver or Houston swooping in with that low of an offer. I know. But I don't think the benefit is enough to give up a 3rd this year and we don't have a 4th.
Marty McFly Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 I love how you skipped bolding the last line as it pertained to exactly what you are complaining about. The reason I posted those old stats is people love to say that TT is a finished product after 6 years in the league. Smith disproves that notion as he got a lot better that late in his career and he had the benefit of a bunch of starts before it clicked and excellent QB coaching. Do you think TT got excellent QB coaching these last 2 years? Do you think Rex is on par with a Harbaugh or Reid? Good $hit here.
FireChan Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) I know. But I don't think the benefit is enough to give up a 3rd this year and we don't have a 4th. If they trade for Romo, they'd want/need picks sooner rather than later to think short term. Trading Smith away post-Romo is the most beneficial with a 2017 pick, IMO. Not the first time Whaley wheeling and dealing picks has hurt us more than it's helped. This is Harvin instead of Marshall all over again. Good **** here. 2 QB's have been listed in the last 33 years who got better after 6 years of suck. May as well plan on our next 6th round pick QB being Brady, or finding the next Kurt Warner. Edited February 20, 2017 by FireChan
The Jokeman Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 Smith's contract is crazy. Give me Tyrod as things are now
mannc Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 2 QB's have been listed in the last 33 years who got better after 6 years of suck. Is that really how you would characterize Tyrod's career up to now?
Augie Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 Alex Smith can't throw the long ball I heard, but I watched him play the Bills. Why do we appear on so many teams highlight reels?
Dorkington Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 You make the cardinal mistake of not realizing that statistically they are about the same. No one is saying Smith is a better QB than Brees because he wins more when Brees throws for a billion TD's. I mean, you're blaming Rex Ryan for the poor coaching of Tyrod. Throwing stones in glass houses and all that. Smith won more with Roman coaching. Period. He had almost triple the comebacks and game winning drives as TT, which correlates 100% to wins. TT sucks at the 2min drill and winning games when down. That's the clear difference between the QB's. One wins games. The other does not. Rail against that fate all you like. I actually agree that they are roughly the same. Hence why I think attributing records to them is kinda silly. If they are about the same, and cost about the same, then I'm going to take the younger guy with more upside.
Augie Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 I actually agree that they are roughly the same. Hence why I think attributing records to them is kinda silly. If they are about the same, and cost about the same, then I'm going to take the younger guy with more upside. Yeah, maybe the whole winning/losing thing has something to do with the other 52 guys? Rex and the defense obviously cost us games last year. W/L goes out the window. We scored points.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) I don't understand why we would dump Tyrod for any possible available QB. Alex Smith gets amazing support from his defense every year. Give Tyrod that same support and he will consistently win 10 games or more. He offers more than Alex Smith. Edited February 21, 2017 by TheTruthHurts
K-9 Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 I don't understand why we would dump Tyrod for any possible available QB. Alex Smith gets amazing support from his defense every year. Give Tyrod that same support and he will consistently win 10 games or more. He offers more than Alex Smith. Might be as simple as Dennison thinking he's a better fit for his particular offense.
NoSaint Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 he would need to be extended/ restructure imo - giant cap hits next two years then UFA in 2019 They'd be like 13 and 17m without dead money if cutting IF going after a qb in the draft that's a much better deal potentially
snafu Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 I want Tyrod to win a Super Bowl somewhere else just to prove doubters wrong That's a really odd take. Why wouldn't you want him to win here to prove doubters wrong?
Maury Ballstein Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) So we've learned nothing of the Rex debacle in forcing a system on its players? Wco needs a decisive/accurate qb. Not someone who pats the ball for 4 plus seconds then runs in circles. Edited February 21, 2017 by Ryan L Billz
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 Wco needs a decisive/accurate qb. Not someone who pats the ball for 4 plus seconds then runs in circles. Also needs WRs that run correct routes on time, not what we had last year. If the Bills dump Tyrod for another high priced QB they are making a huge mistake.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 Also needs WRs that run correct routes on time, not what we had last year I missed this. What were the receivers doing ?
dave mcbride Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Re: Alex Smith's "losses" in the playoffs: one in OT in the NFC championship game to NYG when a punted ball glanced off the shin of the sf punt returner, one to Indy after he did his job but the KC defense got shredded (plus one of his rbs dropped a sure 45 td pass late that would have sealed the game), one in NE against a SB-winning pats team (27-20), and one after a failed 2p conversion to Pitt (after a penalty that negated the tie). Sounds more like bad luck to me, but the "qb wins and losses" crowd probably feels differently. Given how he has been snakebitten, he's a perfect Bill. For those same folks, though, his qb "record" since 2011 is 60-25-1. Edited February 21, 2017 by dave mcbride
K-9 Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 So we've learned nothing of the Rex debacle in forcing a system on its players? I don't think it's that simple when it comes to offensive schemes and coaches; different animal entirely, actually. Dennison coached TT for a year in Baltimore so who knows, maybe he thinks TT would be just fine for his scheme. I'm just saying that Smith may represent a better fit for what he wants to do given the WCO elements he incorporates. That's not an endorsement of Smith one way or the other; just an explanation for why there could be an interest.
aristocrat Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 are we trying to get worse at the qb position?
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