bilzfancy Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 maybe now Adam Schiff for brains can crawl back into his hole 1
keepthefaith Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: maybe now Adam Schiff for brains can crawl back into his hole He'll be leading investigations into all things Trump at least through 2020. We can all look forward to his multiple appearances a week on MSM outlets. A hero of the left.
B-Man Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 House Dems ramping up MORE investigations... Please do. The lack of any results and also little to no liberal legislation passed in these two years.....................that will serve them well in 2020 ?
DC Tom Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: House Dems ramping up MORE investigations... Please do. The lack of any results and also little to no liberal legislation passed in these two years.....................that will serve them well in 2020 ? Um...it will. Because to Democrats, Congress is for activism, and legislation comes from the White House.
Doc Brown Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, B-Man said: House Dems ramping up MORE investigations... Please do. The lack of any results and also little to no liberal legislation passed in these two years.....................that will serve them well in 2020 ? If that's what you go by, Trump is on his way to reelection and Dems will control both houses and the majority of governorships by 2022. Will they repeal the Tax Repeal bill 63 times (or vote on replacing it with only raising taxes on the wealthy) knowing the president will veto it?
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If that's what you go by, Trump is on his way to reelection and Dems will control both houses and the majority of governorships by 2022. Will they repeal the Tax Repeal bill 63 times (or vote on replacing it with only raising taxes on the wealthy) knowing the president will veto it? You mean to say “I am totally guessing” when you say how the Dems will control both houses....
Foxx Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1095454563547660288 1
Dante Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Is there any less value on the planet than these bozos getting paid so well to chase unicorns for the past 2 plus years? Dem's should be all fired for that alone. Part time kids we hire during the summer are more productive and have more purpose than these schmucks. 2 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Just going back through the first 10 pages of this thread... There are some fun posts. And some prescient posts... On 3/11/2017 at 9:31 AM, Logic said: Just wanted to pop in to say that anyone who honestly thinks Trump did not collude with Russians to sway the election is either not paying attention, is blinded by partisan politics, or is being willfully ignorant. There is smoke, and more smoke, and more smoke. Follow Louise Mensch, John Schindler, or Malcolm Nance on Twitter. All well connected and intelligent people with connections (and/or former employment) in the intelligence community. And before you say "They're liberals with an axe to grind!"...no they're not. Schindler and Mensch in particular are conservatives. They're just honest, patriotic conservatives, unlike the multitudes of spineless jellyfish that call themselves congressmen. Read the Trump Dossier, spend even 10 minutes really looking at all of the confirmed instances of Trump's people meeting and working with Russia, and you'll see that the issue is cut and dry. Page, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, etc, etc...is anyone REALLY still saying there's nothing there? C'mon! The National Review? Wait, so you're telling me that conservative outlets like Fox News and the National Review are trying to push the idea that Trump is innocent? Get right out of town! Party before country. Shameful. On 3/11/2017 at 9:43 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Do you believe the Russians were successful in swaying the election one way or the other? On 3/11/2017 at 9:48 AM, Logic said: Irrelevant. Collusion with a foreign (and hostile) entity with the purpose of subverting democracy constitutes treason. The issue of whether or not it was "successful" doesn't matter, because treason. On 3/11/2017 at 9:50 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Do you have evidence of collusion? ...That isn't from unnamed sources citing unnamed methods? On 3/11/2017 at 10:06 AM, Logic said: I'd suggest starting with the Trump Dossier, much of which has since been corroborated. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html On 3/11/2017 at 10:24 AM, Logic said: Cool. Have you checked the link above, the Trump Dossier? Interesting reading. On 3/11/2017 at 10:38 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Actually, nothing in the document has been corroborated other than who it was compiled by. I'm open to the idea that Russia interfered, but before I make such a leap, I'd like to see actual evidence that doesn't rely on unnamed sources citing unnamed methods. Especially when those unnamed sources and unnamed methods are being pushed by known liars and perjurers with a history of lying the country into war on falsified grounds. On 3/11/2017 at 10:41 AM, Logic said: Much of the dossier HAS been corroborated as fact by various US media outlets. The Dossier, by the way, was compiled by Christopher Steele, a former british spy. Not, as claimed by another poster, a Buzzfeed reporter. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-us-news-media-corroborate-christopher-steele-allegations-cia-a7617856.html On 3/11/2017 at 10:45 AM, Deranged Rhino said: You are incorrect that "much" of the dossier has been corroborated as fact -- and the media is not an arbiter of truth on their own. From your own source (of which the Independent is... not the most reliable of rags): "Some of the claims appear to have been verified..." -- if that's your threshold for "proof" then that explains your rush to judgment on this issue. Steele was a former MI6 officer who was hired to do opposition research on Trump. That immediately not only brings into question his motive (making stuff up to justify his paycheck) but his also methods and sources. Big claims require hard proof. Did we learn nothing from WMD? On 3/11/2017 at 10:57 AM, Logic said: Fair enough, Rhino. The reason I feel confident in asserting Russian interference is simply the staggering amount of connections, meetings, etc, between Russia and so many Trump aides. Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, Page, Cohen, Tillerson...at some point, it became difficult for me to dismiss so many instances as "coincidence". The efforts the Trump administration themselves have gone through to divert attention from this issue and duck any real investigation is also quite concerning to me. If Trump has nothing to hide and is as clean as he says he is, why is he so adamantly against an independent investigative committee? Why won't he release his tax returns? I fully understand that this does not, in and of itself, constitute proof. But you have to admit that there is more and more smoke as the days turn to weeks, and that Trump and co are going to great lengths to avoid any real, independent investigation into their ties and activities. I understand also that the burden of proof is on the accuser. It is my belief that the "hard proof" necessary to back up the accusations so far leveled will be coming sooner than later. More and more info -- in the form of leaks, investigative journalism -- is coming out every day, like a steady drip. To hear Trump tell it, these are both "illegal leaks!!!" AND "Fake news". How this info can be BOTH, I have no idea. Anyway, the upcoming March 20th hearings will prove very interesting in this regard. On 3/11/2017 at 11:05 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Because you're new, I'll just reiterate this point... I'm all for discussion, so don't misread my tone or my stance as anything but conversational even on matters where we disagree. I agree there's plenty of smoke. No question about that. Where we begin do differ is my interpretation of that smoke. While CIA, the DNC, and various other factions of the US IC are pushing the smoke as proof of a Russia interfered with the election/Trump is a Putin puppet -- what those folks ignore is the fact this anti-Russian hysteria predates Trump's campaign by several years. If you look back at recent history, from 2011 to now, you will see an ever increasing escalation of that anti-Russian narrative coming out of the same people's mouths who are now pushing the Trump connection. There's a reason why the neocon establishment, the neoliberal establishment, and many lifers within State and CIA flocked to Clinton's campaign -- and it wasn't her politics. It was her promise of escalating the war in Syria to include no-fly zones -- which could only be accomplished by US pilots dropping bombs on Russian troops. This was her central campaign plank in regards to her Syrian policy... and it was applauded by all the same figure heads at Langley and Foggy Bottom who are now pushing the Trump is compromised narrative. Had (or if/when) these claims come with hard evidence, I'm more than open to believing them. But right now they seem to be nothing more than a new phase in an agenda that predates Trump's campaign by years: Regime change in Moscow. It can be both if what we're seeing isn't straight forward scandal but instead a turf war going on behind the scenes between power players of the deep state. On 3/11/2017 at 12:13 PM, Logic said: Just wanted to say thank you for a reasoned and well stated counterpoint to my stance. As I said, I used to pop into the BBMB politics section and it was, well...less than civil, less than reasonable. I can see from scrolling through several of the threads in section that the debate here is far superior in terms of content and decorum. Not surprising, given that the main football board here is ALSO superior to BBMB in this regard. Anyway, I apologize again for any aggressive or dismissive tone that may have been evident in my initial few posts. I am passionate (and frightened) about this issue, but I came in too hot on this one. I admit that. Again, thanks for the quality discussion. I look forward to seeing what March 20th, and the comings weeks and month in general, bring to light about this topic. It is my hope that if collusion is eventually proven conclusively, conservatives will put aside their party affiliation and recognize the seriousness and illegality of the situation and will react accordingly and hold those involved accountable. On 3/12/2017 at 4:48 PM, gatorbait said: The multiple number of current investigations will reveal if there was collusion or not. It could just be a lot of smoke but right now none of us truly know. If there is something it will be released drip by drip until the 2018 and 2020 elections. On 3/17/2017 at 5:20 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/ Logic began this thread being able to rationally discuss things... funny how that changed the deeper the lie was set in his head by the IC and MSM (who spent 2 years programming him). Wonder what he thinks today? 3 1
B-Man Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 NOW THAT THE “RUSSIAN COLLUSION” THING HAS DIED OFF, THEY NEED SOMETHING TO KEEP THEIR GULLIBLE BASE EXCITED: Trump tax returns: House Democrats ready for ultimate fishing expedition. Related: Byron York: Resistance rattled by ‘no collusion’ talk. . 1
Foxx Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Just going back through the first 10 pages of this thread... There are some fun posts. And some prescient posts... Logic began this thread being able to rationally discuss things... funny how that changed the deeper the lie was set in his head by the IC and MSM (who spent 2 years programming him). Wonder what he thinks today? i wonder if @Logic will come back and take ownership of his... meanderings. 1
KRC Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 16 hours ago, DC Tom said: Um...it will. Because to Democrats, Congress is for activism, and legislation comes from the White House. To be fair, it comes from the White House and the judicial branch. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Foxx said: i wonder if @Logic will come back and take ownership of his... meanderings. 5
Deranged Rhino Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Another something to ponder as the Trump/Russia fairy tale collapses in on itself... It's been established through open source evidence that the intent of the IC in creating the Trump/Russia narrative was to legally justify previous surveillance on Trump and his circle, as well as providing the legal framework to get FISA warrants on a sitting President. A Title 1 FISA warrant, which we know they secured on Carter Page and which allowed the IC to turn the most invasive and powerful surveillance tools ever put into existence on Donald J Trump thanks to to the two hop rule. With the unbelievable powers of the media and state sponsored surveillance behind them, Brennan/Clapper/Comey/Strzok/Power/Lynch/Rice/Kerry/Clinton/Obama and the whole lot of conspirators were entirely confident they'd be able to turn up something on the longtime Manhattan contractor which they could then use to oust him from office. They knew they wouldn't find anything real to support their Trump/Russia claims (because they invented them), but that didn't matter. The Trump/Russia narrative was just a pretext to turn back on the surveillance spigot. They understood the public wouldn't care if what they found wasn't connected to the original scandal, so long as they found something damning and/or humiliating. That was the game plan. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." The conspirators and narrative engineers listed above took their fellow traveler's words to heart, and were confident that a man like Trump, known playboy and a business tycoon, would have just as many skeletons in his closet as they did. And that became the most ironic and hilarious part of their plan blowing up in their faces. It's something that is going to get lost in all the goalpost shifting and saving-face countermeasures which will be deployed over the next few days - but it should be pointed out whenever possible: Despite having the most powerful surveillance tools in the history of mankind at their disposal, despite having Trump under FISA surveillance for over a full calendar year wherein they could go backwards and forwards through his entire life and contacts, THEY FOUND NOTHING CRIMINAL AND NOTHING COMPROMISING THAT WAS NOT ALREADY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. Somehow, someway, the billionaire playboy turned out to be cleaner than the politicians, spooks, and political operatives with bylines who were trying to find something, anything, to use against him. It's amazing really. The conspirators bet everything on that not being the case... and lost. (It's almost like Trump was vetted by MI before being asked to run...) 1 5 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 I know it's Tucker, but it's worth watching the five minute video at the top of the article: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-there-was-no-russian-collusion-it-was-all-fake-its-negligence-on-a-stunning-scale
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