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I was kidding. It's just a typical response for a Trumpist when someone directly or indirectly criticizes him or his agenda.

 

Fair point.

 

It shows you how far down the rabbit hole we've gone when EVERYBODY missed the sarcasm.

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I was kidding. It's just a typical response for a Trumpist when someone directly or indirectly criticizes him or his agenda.

 

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying - your statement struck me as so outrageous that I missed your intent completely. :lol:

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I was kidding. It's just a typical response for a Trumpist when someone directly or indirectly criticizes him or his agenda.

This is called a Tiberius (gator) around here. If you're gonna kid, make damn sure everyone knows. Otherwise it's just running schit up the flagpole to see if it sticks before really committing to a position.

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Recently, Jared Kushner admitted to meeting with a Russian banker one month after the election. This guy runs Putin's major bank, and graduated from the academy of the FSB (KGB). The White House is claiming he was just doing his job as one of Trump's head advisers. Really? It's his job to meet with Russian bankers? There is more than just a puff of smoke at this point, there's a full on cloud. What we know so far:

-Manafort had to resign from the campaign because of shady ties to Russian backed Ukrainians and possible blackmail attempts from Russia.

-Flynn had to resign as NSA because of lying about meetings with Russia.

-Jeff sessions recused himself from the Russian investigation after misleading Congress about meetings with the Russian embassador.

-Roger stone is under investigation, and had some contact with Guccifer 2.0.

-Carter Page seems more than shady imo and had to resign from the campaign.

-JD Gordon may have been instrumental in changing the GOP platform in relation to Crimea, also had contacts with Russians.

-Russian hackers meddled in our election, and want to destroy western democracies.

-Trump has attacked or badmouthed pretty much everyone, but has never said one bad word about Russia and Putin

-The FBI has been doing a criminal investigation since July and I don't even think we know everything yet.

 

I'm not saying there's collusion, we don't know yet. I think Putin offered millions or billions of dollars to lift the sanctions, and might have something to blackmail Trump's team with. Pee pee tape maybe? Trump loves everything golden, maybe he likes his showers golden too.

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Recently, Jared Kushner admitted to meeting with a Russian banker one month after the election. This guy runs Putin's major bank, and graduated from the academy of the FSB (KGB). The White House is claiming he was just doing his job as one of Trump's head advisers. Really? It's his job to meet with Russian bankers? There is more than just a puff of smoke at this point, there's a full on cloud. What we know so far:

-Manafort had to resign from the campaign because of shady ties to Russian backed Ukrainians and possible blackmail attempts from Russia.

-Flynn had to resign as NSA because of lying about meetings with Russia.

-Jeff sessions recused himself from the Russian investigation after misleading Congress about meetings with the Russian embassador.

-Roger stone is under investigation, and had some contact with Guccifer 2.0.

-Carter Page seems more than shady imo and had to resign from the campaign.

-JD Gordon may have been instrumental in changing the GOP platform in relation to Crimea, also had contacts with Russians.

-Russian hackers meddled in our election, and want to destroy western democracies.

-Trump has attacked or badmouthed pretty much everyone, but has never said one bad word about Russia and Putin

-The FBI has been doing a criminal investigation since July and I don't even think we know everything yet.

 

I'm not saying there's collusion, we don't know yet. I think Putin offered millions or billions of dollars to lift the sanctions, and might have something to blackmail Trump's team with. Pee pee tape maybe? Trump loves everything golden, maybe he likes his showers golden too.

 

 

I point you to DC TOM's post #460

 

So let me get this straight:

In June 2010, Bill Clinton visited Moscow to give a keynote speech for $500,000 to Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank owned by Mikhail Prokhorov, who owns the Brooklyn Nets, Barclays Center Arena, and several other entertainment venues in Brooklyn. In 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported that Clinton received a personal thank you note for the speech from Vladimir Putin and a press release from Renaissance Capital noted that the conference was attended by several Russian officials and corporate leaders.
In 2003, Bill Clinton presented the Golden Plate Award of the International Academy of Achievement in Washington D.C. to billionaire Mikhail Fridman, the founder and owner of the Russia-based Alfa Bank (the bank that was communicating with a server in Trump Tower, leading to the reported wiretapping.) Also, in 2016, Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty III was advising Mikhail Fridman about investing $3 billion in the United States’ healthcare system.
Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton’s State Department to meet with Russian billionaire Viktor Veselberg, who has donated at least $50,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
Gennady Timchenko, Putin ally, acquired several holdings of Clinton donor Tom Steyer’s hedge fund in 2010.
Chelsea Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in 2013 and met with several Russian billionaires.
Many Russian friends and allies of Putin donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign, and to the Clinton Foundation.
John Podesta lobbied on behalf of the Russian Central Bank, and on behalf of the pro-Russian political party in Ukraine that Paul Manafort's ties to which led to his resignation. The revelations about Manafort were provided to the Clinton campaign from the Ukrainian government.
So we've got all these ties from the Clintons to Russian allies of Putin, who are accused of manipulating the presidential campaigns for Trump's benefit. Now, I'm not going to say that the Clinton political machine used their long-standing connections to Russia to frame Trump for Hillary's election loss. But as you posted earlier: there's smoke, smoke, and more smoke, and at a certain point, smoke = fire. So even though I wouldn't say it, you, by your own logic, would have to say Trump's being framed by the Russians at the behest of the Clintons.
(And no, this isn't a defense of Trump. It's a refutation of your 'too many coincidences' bull ****.)

 

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I point you to DC TOM's post #460

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think Hillary Clinton was our president. Those are meetings and speeches, not political figures having to resign for lying. Clinton is corrupt just like most politicians, a big reason why she didn't win. Making speculations before the investigation is over, and pointing to stuff Hillary and the Clintons did is pathetic. I thought everyone was just saying on here the other day, how if Clinton would've won she would've started a preemptive war with Russia. Now people are trying to claim she was in bed with the Russians too? !@#$ing sad in my opnion. I'm waiting until the investigation is over to make my judgment, just like everyone else should.
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think Hillary Clinton was our president. Those are meetings and speeches, not political figures having to resign for lying. Clinton is corrupt just like most politicians, a big reason why she didn't win. Making speculations before the investigation is over, and pointing to stuff Hillary and the Clintons did is pathetic. I thought everyone was just saying on here the other day, how if Clinton would've won she would've started a preemptive war with Russia. Now people are trying to claim she was in bed with the Russians too? !@#$ing sad in my opnion. I'm waiting until the investigation is over to make my judgment, just like everyone else should.

 

That wasn't the point. But if you didn't see that from his post and this is your visceral reaction, then why bother?

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That wasn't the point. But if you didn't see that from his post and this is your visceral reaction, then why bother?

You tell me what your point was, because I clearly didn't get it. You brushed off my post as if it was CNN drivel. Did you even read it? I listed facts, and said there's a lot of smoke. I'm an independent with no political or party motivation at all, so spare me the lecture about liberal agendas or the corrupt Clintons.
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Where is that Logic guy with the updates!!? Down with Trump!! Down with Russia!!! RAH RAH RAH. Still nothing...how longs it take to fabricate a hack, come on boys lets keep the stove hot.

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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think Hillary Clinton was our president. Those are meetings and speeches, not political figures having to resign for lying. Clinton is corrupt just like most politicians, a big reason why she didn't win. Making speculations before the investigation is over, and pointing to stuff Hillary and the Clintons did is pathetic. I thought everyone was just saying on here the other day, how if Clinton would've won she would've started a preemptive war with Russia. Now people are trying to claim she was in bed with the Russians too? !@#$ing sad in my opnion. I'm waiting until the investigation is over to make my judgment, just like everyone else should.

 

Read my post ALL the way to the end. I explain the point pretty clearly.

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Read my post ALL the way to the end. I explain the point pretty clearly.

Tom you are a legend around these parts, and I respect your opinion. I don't agree however that it's somewhat obvious that the Clintons used Russia to frame Trump. Do you really think that's what the FBI is investigating right now? I agree that there could just be a lot of smoke and no fire, it's happened before with the FBI. I'm not rushing to any judgments or speculating, I'm listing facts as facts. Edited by gatorbait
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It might actually be even stupider. At least we knew something happened in Benghazi.

Yes, Hillary lied and people died.

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Tom you are a legend around these parts, and I respect your opinion. I don't agree however that it's somewhat obvious that the Clintons used Russia to frame Trump. Do you really think that's what the FBI is investigating right now? I agree that there could just be a lot of smoke and no fire, it's happened before with the FBI. I'm not rushing to any judgments or speculating, I'm listing facts as facts.

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Trump is being framed by the Russians at the behest of the Clintons? I think that is ridiculous. I'm not claiming anything, like some of you who think you have all the answers or are fortune tellers. Someone please debate some of the facts I listed in my post above. Pointing to the Clintons and Russia framing Trump doesn't help anyone's cause imo.
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You're still not understanding what Tom was saying.

 

So we've got all these ties from the Clintons to Russian allies of Putin, who are accused of manipulating the presidential campaigns for Trump's benefit. Now, I'm not going to say that the Clinton political machine used their long-standing connections to Russia to frame Trump for Hillary's election loss. But as you posted earlier: there's smoke, smoke, and more smoke, and at a certain point, smoke = fire. So even though I wouldn't say it, you, by your own logic, would have to say Trump's being framed by the Russians at the behest of the Clintons.
(And no, this isn't a defense of Trump. It's a refutation of your 'too many coincidences' bull ****.)

 

 

 

 

Read it a couple time if you have to, let it sink in............

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You're still not understanding what Tom was saying.

 

 

 

Read it a couple time if you have to, let it sink in............

For !@#$s sake guys I have read it five times. Maybe that post isn't as illuminating as you might think. You tell me what is the point of that post Magox. What is so clear that I am missing? And how the !@#$ does it relate to my post where I listed facts and said there's smoke.

 

If you think that's enough smoke on the Clintons behalf, to totally ignore all the **** I said then whatever. I cant explain anything or change opinions that are already set.

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You're still not understanding what Tom was saying.

 

 

 

 

Read it a couple time if you have to, let it sink in............

 

Let me stress...

 

 

(And no, this isn't a defense of Trump. It's a refutation of your 'too many coincidences' bull ****.)

 

Why is it so difficult? I'm not attacking Clinton. I'm not defending Trump. I'm very specifically criticizing the irrationality of the argument with a reducto ad absurdum methodology.

 

Basically, I'm trying to get people to ask the question "Wait...do I really sound that stupid?" YES, YOU DO!

For !@#$s sake guys I have read it five times. Maybe that post isn't as illuminating as you might think. You tell me what is the point of that post Magox. What is so clear that I am missing? And how the !@#$ does it relate to my post where I listed facts and said there's smoke.

 

If you think that's enough smoke on the Clintons behalf, to totally ignore all the **** I said then whatever. I cant explain anything or change opinions that are already set.

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