Deranged Rhino Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, garybusey said: In my opinion a president Tweeting tantrums and straight up threatening to jail citizens who are not under a known investigation is not playing a higher level game. He's trying to get attention take attention off all the crap he's in by running his mouth and lying (yes - he lies - a lot). It's the same strategy children go to when in trouble. Are toddlers playing a higher level game? Of course not - they're trying to pass the buck. Trump's base eats it up. They feast on unhinged and lunacy and, of course, the media reports on it, as they should. He's the president. I understand this pov, I do. If it was a level playing field, and if we had a real capable media who efforted to get POTUS's message out to the people without partisan games, then I'd agree with you entirely. But you know the reality is different than that. And since we don't have any of those things, and in fact we have a large swath of the media who actively seeks to undermine POTUS and his messaging (and to be fair, the other side is propagandizing the other way - meaning there is no capable media on either side to reliably carry a message to the people), a wise statesman has to find a way to work around this if they care about reaching the constituents. Tweeting inflammatory stuff (we will disagree on whether it's baseless or not) is playing the game by the rules the corporate media themselves created (scandal/chaos leads). His tantrums force the partisans with by-lines (on both sides) to cover him and carry his message in full to the people. In turn, this draws more eyeballs besides his base to his messages. We can agree that he's not one for decorum or traditional bland, PR vetted messaging. He's different for better and worse. But his use of twitter is an evolutionary necessity in this media environment. 45, for all the grief he gets for his use of Twitter, understands its power and uses it to do more than just to deflect. Evidence shows it's been incredibly effective in terms of reaching beyond his base. Edited April 20, 2018 by Deranged Rhino English
reddogblitz Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, Buftex said: Except you really don't know what they have on him. The Mueller investigation is keeping quiet. Most conclusions being drawn, are from Trumps' reactions... good point. Good reason to wait for the report.
row_33 Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 the way Mueller and all Special Prosecutors have leaked like sieves throughout history tells me they don't have anything. Mueller was under the disadvantage that they had nothing when he began the investigation. Almost every other SP was handed a large file with criminal indictments already processed and obvious crimes committed...
Koko78 Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Perfect. Since they've made allegations regarding the hacking of their servers, the DNC will now be forced to allow full access to those servers for examination in the discovery process, and explain everything that they've changed since 2016 that does not allow for a full analysis of the supposed hacking (because we all know they've destroyed the evidence of an inside job over the past year and a half.) Mueller finding no evidence of collusion will also be fun for their case. 2
GG Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is the funniest thing I've seen today. Are they going to sue Santa Claus & Easter Bunny too? 2
row_33 Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Perfect. Since they've made allegations regarding the hacking of their servers, the DNC will now be forced to allow full access to those servers for examination in the discovery process, and explain everything that they've changed since 2016 that does not allow for a full analysis of the supposed hacking (because we all know they've destroyed the evidence of an inside job over the past year and a half.) Mueller finding no evidence of collusion will also be fun for their case. no, the Dems are claiming victim status so they do not have to lift a finger to do anything here
keepthefaith Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: no, the Dems are claiming victim status so they do not have to lift a finger to do anything here Which is a perfect fit since they preach victimhood. You have to admit though that the suit is a nice play with the whole Russia collusion Mueller investigation losing steam. Keeps the media in the game and the news cycle can continue.
Cinga Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Perfect. Since they've made allegations regarding the hacking of their servers, the DNC will now be forced to allow full access to those servers for examination in the discovery process, and explain everything that they've changed since 2016 that does not allow for a full analysis of the supposed hacking (because we all know they've destroyed the evidence of an inside job over the past year and a half.) Mueller finding no evidence of collusion will also be fun for their case. Except that this is a civil suit, only requiring 50% to win the case.... They know the Mueller investigation is going nowhere fast and they want to keep collusion around for the elections later this year. This is that attempt.
row_33 Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Which is a perfect fit since they preach victimhood. You have to admit though that the suit is a nice play with the whole Russia collusion Mueller investigation losing steam. Keeps the media in the game and the news cycle can continue. This has to be a joke?
Deranged Rhino Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here is the 66 page filing : https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443358-DNC-lawsuit-against-Russia-Trump-campaign-and.html#document/p1
njbuff Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 How anyone in America ever votes Democrat again in any election is beyond me. Write-in votes is the way to go. I will write in my dogs in any election from now on. Hey, they can't do any worse than a Democrat.
row_33 Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 yellow dog Republicans i like it... people, you lost the election, it happens, deal with it
DC Tom Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here is the 66 page filing : https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443358-DNC-lawsuit-against-Russia-Trump-campaign-and.html#document/p1 I love it. "We were unable to get our message across to the American people, because thanks to Trump, the Russians, and Wikileaks they saw what we REALLY think!"
keepthefaith Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, row_33 said: This has to be a joke? No I think the suit is a good play for the Dems. It's ridiculous but it furthers their narrative and status as the victim partry, extends the issue and gives them more time (past the election) before they have to finally admit they have lousy candidates and policy positions.
DC Tom Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here is the 66 page filing : https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443358-DNC-lawsuit-against-Russia-Trump-campaign-and.html#document/p1 Holy ****. They're pursuing a RICO indictment. That literally allows them to go after the entire Republican Party as a criminal enterprise. I knew the Democrats would try to get the Republican Party declared illegal eventually. I always thought it would be as a "hate group," though.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, row_33 said: Where will they hold the trial, in Little Rock? They are judge shopping in Hawaii as we speak... 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, garybusey said: In my opinion a president Tweeting tantrums and straight up threatening to jail citizens who are not under a known investigation is not playing a higher level game. He's trying to get attention take attention off all the crap he's in by running his mouth and lying (yes - he lies - a lot). It's the same strategy children go to when in trouble. Are toddlers playing a higher level game? Of course not - they're trying to pass the buck. Trump's base eats it up. They feast on unhinged and lunacy and, of course, the media reports on it, as they should. He's the president. and this is where you miss the greater point. 60+ million people are not riled up at the world knuckledragging Neanderthals incapable of turning on a computer without electrocuting themselves with the drool dripping out the side of their mouth. Some are, most not. what you are espousing is....bullsh8t. the higher level game analogy is 100% on point. it would seem we are on the brink of the end to this little Russia-gate fiasco and the country will be served with yet another heaping pile of political excrement disguised as intrigue. the game played by those who hate the man, and who want to wrest control of the presidency away from the duly elected president has played out over the past couple years with innuendo, tactical media leaks, insiders working against him and he appears to have weathered the storm remarkably well by doing a couple things well: 1. removing the mystery of those working against him. he calls them out, by name, and tells the story from his perspective. I personally hate the Twitter usage but the message gets out. no media spin, no good looking monkey or monkeyess staring at the camera telling you what they think by interpreting his words their way. 2. for all the talk of his thin skin, he shows a remarkable ability to take it all in stride. 3. when he talks of people going to jail, its simply the bare-knuckles version of what his opponents in the political world (Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, McCain et al) do in politi-speak. Clinton calling him a racist and a xenophobe etc etc in public and in a debate is no less aggressive than saying she should go to jail. Comey claiming eagle scout status while slipping a shiv between his ribs is no nicer/gentler/kinder then saying comey is slimy and should go to jail. Here's the interesting part, for me anyway, I really struggle with the guy as a candidate and human being. I saw him as a better option than Clinton, but had my reservations. I did not like his approach to...just about everything...post election but was quite certain his opponents would stop at nothing to tear him down. I've found as I move forward I cheer his victories and admire his attitude which really boils down to "f off", especially as I watch the dopey talking heads speak about how Comey's memos back up everything he has said when in fact, that's simply not true. The story is molded to the message they want to send, and Trump molds his story as he see a fit. To say he plays the game at a higher level isn't even debatable. .
keepthefaith Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Holy ****. They're pursuing a RICO indictment. That literally allows them to go after the entire Republican Party as a criminal enterprise. I knew the Democrats would try to get the Republican Party declared illegal eventually. I always thought it would be as a "hate group," though. Let me guess... Eric Holder has given them guidance on this with Obama somewhere in the dark shadows.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I love it. "We were unable to get our message across to the American people, because thanks to Trump, the Russians, and Wikileaks they saw what we REALLY think!" 36 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: No I think the suit is a good play for the Dems. It's ridiculous but it furthers their narrative and status as the victim partry, extends the issue and gives them more time (past the election) before they have to finally admit they have lousy candidates and policy positions. 29 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Holy ****. They're pursuing a RICO indictment. That literally allows them to go after the entire Republican Party as a criminal enterprise. I knew the Democrats would try to get the Republican Party declared illegal eventually. I always thought it would be as a "hate group," though. Re: all these points... This is yet another monumental gaffe - the DNC now opens itself up to discovery. Think DNC servers (never accessed by FBI, never turned over - now will be compelled to... wonder what it'll do to their case when they're forced to reveal they scrubbed or destroyed their own servers). How can you get all the dirt you've collected through the allied IC out into the public sphere if you're the MI team behind 45? This suit and discovery sure is one way. This is going to blow up in the DNC's face in a very public way. 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Perfect. Since they've made allegations regarding the hacking of their servers, the DNC will now be forced to allow full access to those servers for examination in the discovery process, and explain everything that they've changed since 2016 that does not allow for a full analysis of the supposed hacking (because we all know they've destroyed the evidence of an inside job over the past year and a half.) Mueller finding no evidence of collusion will also be fun for their case.
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