Trump and Russia

[Deranged Rhino]

51 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Doesn't the line "communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign" kill the Russian collusion narrative?  Is Mueller only focused now on "obstruction of justice" or possible money laundering unrelated to the initial collusion accusations?

 

It absolutely does. But there are many in the media who have helped push this story, who are so knee deep in its origin, they are unable to cover this story honestly. Had they been willing to do so honestly, they wouldn't have missed the biggest scandal in political history unfolding before their eyes. 

 

 

Mueller has never been investigating what the media thought. I'm more confident in that assessment now than ever. 

 

Horowitz's report is due next month, as is a DHS report on election fraud (ordered by Trump, Sessions and Coats last year). Those are going to be the MOABs dropped after Mueller announces his probe is done. 

 

We got an unconfirmed glimpse of what's going to be in that DHS report the other day as a matter of fact... I remain skeptical about it, as the leaked charges in it are nothing short of explosive. This is not confirmed text, but I'm including it because the report is real and upcoming. I'm only including this text for verification purposes when the DHS report hits next month... we'll see then how real this leak was:

 

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In an effort to preserve the integrity of all U.S. elections, as ordered by the President of the United States, after an extensive investigation in select counties (the 'sampling'), the DHS has concluded that while Russian entities (as outlined within Special Council Mueller's investigation were complicit in attempting to undermine the presidential election of 2016) had no direct impact or bearing on the outcome of the presidential election, nor were any U.S. person(s) knowingly part of such an attempt to sabotage as it relates to the Russian investigation, U.S. and other foreign entities (as further described within DHS[XXX]), acting outside of Russian agents, did attempt on numerous occasions, and were successful, in interfering with the presidential election of 2016, senate elections of [x,y,z], [x] elections, whereby several million of illegal, non-residental ballots (the "irregularities") were counted, while legal ballots were improperly tabulated and/or intentionally mishandled. We believe these actions were a coordinated attack against the democracy of our country. 

 

The DHS will be submitting a final report to the White House, DOJ, and other state and local agencies outlining our findings as early as March [ ], 2018. While this report only encompasses a sampling of twenty-two (22) counties across the U.S., it is strongly suggested, based on the evidence provided, that a mandated countrywide investigation begin under the recommended US50-EIC guidelines as set forth in Section VII of the final report. Furthermore, based on our immediate findings, we recommend the adoption of 8 (E)(F)(G)(H) be made immediately to combat sources and methods currently being deployed to... (rest left blank)

 

 

Those paying attention understand what the above is referencing... 

 

[boyst]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It absolutely does. But there are many in the media who have helped push this story, who are so knee deep in its origin, they are unable to cover this story honestly. Had they been willing to do so honestly, they wouldn't have missed the biggest scandal in political history unfolding before their eyes. 

 

 

Mueller has never been investigating what the media thought. I'm more confident in that assessment now than ever. 

 

Horowitz's report is due next month, as is a DHS report on election fraud (ordered by Trump, Sessions and Coats last year). Those are going to be the MOABs dropped after Mueller announces his probe is done. 

 

We got an unconfirmed glimpse of what's going to be in that DHS report the other day as a matter of fact... I remain skeptical about it, as the leaked charges in it are nothing short of explosive. This is not confirmed text, but I'm including it because the report is real and upcoming. I'm only including this text for verification purposes when the DHS report hits next month... we'll see then how real this leak was:

 

 

Those paying attention understand what the above is referencing... 

 

If that turns out to be true then identification is going to be required to vote

[row_33]

There’s a thought, only legally eligible citizens with ID can vote.

[Nanker]

Wonder what the final “legal” vote counts will be. 

[row_33]

The legal vote was concluded by acceptance of the parties back in November 2016

[DC Tom]

22 minutes ago, row_33 said:

There’s a thought, only legally eligible citizens with ID can vote.

 

Proof that Republicans are trying to disenfranchise minorities!

[row_33]

Dems have the long-dead voter list though

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

If that turns out to be true then identification is going to be required to vote

 

And that would be the best case outcome. 

 

If they prove that illegal votes were tabulated in multiple races - you're potentially looking at the arrest and removal from office of sitting Senators and the detention of whomever helped/ordered/organized the operations. 

 

We all know who that would be. And if that goes public, then you're looking at a Lexington and Concord type moment in our history.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And that would be the best case outcome. 

 

If they prove that illegal votes were tabulated in multiple races - you're potentially looking at the arrest and removal from office of sitting Senators and the detention of whomever helped/ordered/organized the operations. 

 

We all know who that would be. And if that goes public, then you're looking at a Lexington and Concord type moment in our history.

i live in lexington and concord is like 30 minutes away.

 

should i be worried?!?

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

i live in lexington and concord is like 30 minutes away.

 

should i be worried?!?

 

I think you'll be okay, unless you've secretly been running for Senate and helping undermine federal elections without telling us...

[B-Man]

OUCH. ..........................CBS Host To John Podesta: How Did Russians Know To Focus On Purple States, But Hillary Didn’t?

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I think you'll be okay, unless you've secretly been running for Senate and helping undermine federal elections without telling us...

i am trying to find the picture of me palpating a cow to show that i have been heavily involved.

 

 

 

 

but seriously, are there ties to this with my area in your opinion?

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

i am trying to find the picture of me palpating a cow to show that i have been heavily involved.

 

 

 

 

but seriously, are there ties to this with my area in your opinion?

New England, you knucklehead.

[B-Man]

[row_33]

Moose and Squirrel was a more important and believable story line

[GG]

9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Who would have guessed that would befall such a well educated and intelligent socialist like MM?

 

Can’t be a socialist.  When was the last time you saw a fat socialist?

[Tiberius]

“He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. … I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,”

 

Who said it, and who was he talking about?

[Bob in Mich]

There has been a lot of disagreement over 'any evidence of collusion'.  Has there been evidence of collusion/conspiracy presented yet?  Well, depending how you define the 'evidence of collusion', yes and no.

 

NO:  The entire case for conspiracy or collusion between the Trump people and Russians has not yet been proven.  I completely agree.  Rod Rosenstein clearly stated this latest round of indictments did not show collusion between the indicted Russians and any (witting) members of the Trump team.  So, clearly then from this perspective, no proven collusion yet. 

 

YES:  Another perspective on proving collusion involves demonstrating the motivation and willingness to conspire along with showing that the deal actually took place.  Investigators would need to, for each involved party, check off boxes for motivation, willingness, and eventually conspiratorial actions.  So, if Mueller is systematically checking off these boxes for each party, to this point he has demonstrated (incomplete) evidence of a conspiracy.  Some boxes have been checked but not all of them yet.  So, from this perspective, some elements of a conspiracy have been demonstrated. 

 

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

There has been a lot of disagreement over 'any evidence of collusion'.  Has there been evidence of collusion/conspiracy presented yet?  Well, depending how you define the 'evidence of collusion', yes and no.

 

NO:  The entire case for conspiracy or collusion between the Trump people and Russians has not yet been proven.  I completely agree.  Rod Rosenstein clearly stated this latest round of indictments did not show collusion between the indicted Russians and any (witting) members of the Trump team.  So, clearly then from this perspective, no proven collusion yet. 

 

YES:  Another perspective on proving collusion involves demonstrating the motivation and willingness to conspire along with showing that the deal actually took place.  Investigators would need to, for each involved party, check off boxes for motivation, willingness, and eventually conspiratorial actions.  So, if Mueller is systematically checking off these boxes for each party, to this point he has demonstrated (incomplete) evidence of a conspiracy.  Some boxes have been checked but not all of them yet.  So, from this perspective, some elements of a conspiracy have been demonstrated. 

 

Please point out what specific boxes have been checked.

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

There has been a lot of disagreement over 'any evidence of collusion'.  Has there been evidence of collusion/conspiracy presented yet?  Well, depending how you define the 'evidence of collusion', yes and no.

 

NO:  The entire case for conspiracy or collusion between the Trump people and Russians has not yet been proven.  I completely agree.  Rod Rosenstein clearly stated this latest round of indictments did not show collusion between the indicted Russians and any (witting) members of the Trump team.  So, clearly then from this perspective, no proven collusion yet. 

 

YES:  Another perspective on proving collusion involves demonstrating the motivation and willingness to conspire along with showing that the deal actually took place.  Investigators would need to, for each involved party, check off boxes for motivation, willingness, and eventually conspiratorial actions.  So, if Mueller is systematically checking off these boxes for each party, to this point he has demonstrated (incomplete) evidence of a conspiracy.  Some boxes have been checked but not all of them yet.  So, from this perspective, some elements of a conspiracy have been demonstrated. 

 

Mueller's very detailed and primary sourced documents in the indictment show everyone concerned that he has the tools and means to get to the bottom of this thing. And you are right, Donald Jr's emails show they were very willing ?(and able) to use any help from Russians.

8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Please point out what specific boxes have been checked.

How come you guys can't keep up with the story? Biggest story in American history of late and you can't follow along? Maybe try reading something besides "Hot Air or the Conservative Attic"