Bob in Mich Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Thanks. Not convinced necessarily but I appreciate a reply
GG Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I don't want to take up a lot of your time. The Sabres game starts in 10 minutes after all. Could you just tick off or point me to some of this overwhelming contrary evidence? Perhaps a 9-month long investigation that hasn't found one shred of collusion? The biggest indictment to date is something that everyone has been speculating about for nearly 2 years, and does not involve any collusion whatsoever. Meanwhile anything that's been disclosed by the various executive & legislative investigations point to many more issues by the previous administration than anything Trump has done.
row_33 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said: Thanks. Not convinced necessarily but I appreciate a reply You took the time, makes me feel at he same time alarmed and flattered. This was like a small cup of coffee chat? And if you come to Toronto maybe a Jays game? i wish nothing but the best for the US, it carries a lot of adult burdens for the whole world.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: So many posters here keep chanting 'no evidence of collusion' but c'mon, that should stop now. Certainly there is insufficient proof shown but there are undeniable indications now that the Russians wanted to aid Mr Trump and indications from Trump Tower, that Trump's people were willing to hear out the Russians offer. That is most definitely not all of the pieces but it is two key pieces Only someone who's stoned could read a 36 page indictment - that doesn't talk about collusion at all - and then say that those saying there's "no evidence of collusion should stop". That's not only disingenuous, it's a reinvention of what is in the document you're citing. You're wrong. Of course you'd realize this if you read the document yourself rather than relying on what RR and "professionals" say about the document. It's called thinking. 45 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: So, what's the story 33, are you one of these agents of Russia sowing discord on this PPP message board? As you know, I have mentioned this before but did not really get your response. 44 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Seemed pretty crazy that they were making divisive twitter and facebook posts too .... until yesterday. It didn't seem crazy to anyone who had been paying attention to this two year plus long story BEFORE yesterday. You just keep admitting that you haven't followed this story closely enough to have a strong opinion, yet you do nothing but spout propaganda and talking points which have long been debunked. It's hilarious to watch. 28 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I don't want to take up a lot of your time. The Sabres game starts in 10 minutes after all. Could you just tick off or point me to some of this overwhelming contrary evidence? Why bother? I tried, multiple times with lots of links and sources. You ignored them because you lack intellectual honesty. 1
row_33 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 We all have our limits on depth on an issue.
row_33 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 This pales in comparison to the enjoyment and amusement of: Kerry clearly using his Nam service as a positive during his campaign. Then the resulting Swift Boat response. then the media and the Dems claiming that Kerry was entitled to use the Nam issue as only he demanded it be defined Wheel turning round and round...
Nanker Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: 3rd, I know that is the administration story but there have been problems with apparent lies and backpedaling, right? At this point I cannot say I can take Don Jr at his word given the way the story has evolved. So you missed the 23 hours of testimony before Congress about that very meeting that he underwent and the fact that nothing came of that? I would think that the Schifft would have hit the fan with anything he could smear a Trump with if there were anything to Jr.‘s “collusion” with the Rooskies.
Koko78 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: You have figured out you shouldn’t trust politicians, Bobby? What’s next week, that a stranger can’t really take your rectal temperature with his finger? That wasn't his finger...
row_33 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I didn’t join this board until well after the November 2016 election, a few weeks after BBMB pulled the plug without warning. so my keenly honed subversive tactics were never practised at all for the Trump victory. and again, I wasn’t happy with him getting the nod, and didn’t think he had a ghost of a chance until he won, and I was happy she lost, and I think he’s done a better job than I thought he would to date.
Koko78 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: Yes im sure the FSB is trolling the politics sub board of a privately owned board devoted to a third rate football team lol The Bills are up to being a second-rate football team, mother!@#$er! 2 1
row_33 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Koko78 said: That wasn't his finger... So so it was even more deceptive? curiouser and curiouser.... Next you’ll tell me there is no such thing as a leprechaun.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 Where Is the Democratic Outrage Over Spying on Americans? https://townhall.com/columnists/thomasjfarnan/2018/02/17/where-is-the-democratic-outrage-over-spying-on-americans-n2450480
thebug Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 6 hours ago, GG said: What's the term for a person who keeps clinging to a narrative, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Trump?
Deranged Rhino Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, thebug said: Trump? Hey, look at that. Sure does seem like these tweets - which he was mocked for endlessly - are actually true. We know they tried to get a warrant on Trump associates several times and it was rejected. We know they had Trump team and his associates (inside Trump Tower even) under surveillance from October 21, 2016 through October of 2017. Trump has said, several times, that Russia meddled. That's not in debate. What is in debate is if Russia colluded with Trump or his team to fix the election. That's what he has called a hoax. Not the meddling. Those who are trying to argue otherwise are either deceiving you or don't realize there is a difference between those two accusations. A subtle, but important difference.
thebug Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Hey, look at that. Sure does seem like these tweets - which he was mocked for endlessly - are actually true. We know they tried to get a warrant on Trump associates several times and it was rejected. We know they had Trump team and his associates (inside Trump Tower even) under surveillance from October 21, 2016 through October of 2017. Trump has said, several times, that Russia meddled. That's not in debate. What is in debate is if Russia colluded with Trump or his team to fix the election. That's what he has called a hoax. Not the meddling. Those who are trying to argue otherwise are either deceiving you or don't realize there is a difference between those two accusations. A subtle, but important difference. No he said the whole thing was a hoax. Made up, never happened. And that’s just one example. The guy is a pathological liar. He’s mocked for most of his tweets because he’s an imbecile. Edited February 18, 2018 by thebug
Deranged Rhino Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, thebug said: No he said the whole thing was a hoax. Made up, never happened. This is not true. See this, from July: A day before his first face-to-face meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, President Trump agreed that Moscow meddled in the 2016 election but also claimed “other people” could have interfered – “nobody really knows for sure.” “I think it was Russia and I think it could have been other people in other countries,” Trump said during a joint press conference with Polish President Andrzej Duda, before throwing doubt on his own comments. “It could have been a lot of people interfered.” https://nypost.com/2017/07/06/trump-says-russia-and-maybe-other-countries-meddled-in-us-election/ No one denies Russia meddled in the election. The charge that Trump has fought is that he colluded actively with them to fix the election. There is a difference between the two. Surely you can see that?
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, thebug said: Trump? I implore you to, with a completely open mind, and no preconceived notions, to read through all of the evidence Deranged Rhino has been presenting for over a year now. If you ask him, I'm sure he can provide for you a detailed and well sourced timeline, either by links to an existing one, or otherwise.
thebug Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is not true. See this, from July: A day before his first face-to-face meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, President Trump agreed that Moscow meddled in the 2016 election but also claimed “other people” could have interfered – “nobody really knows for sure.” “I think it was Russia and I think it could have been other people in other countries,” Trump said during a joint press conference with Polish President Andrzej Duda, before throwing doubt on his own comments. “It could have been a lot of people interfered.” https://nypost.com/2017/07/06/trump-says-russia-and-maybe-other-countries-meddled-in-us-election/ No one denies Russia meddled in the election. The charge that Trump has fought is that he colluded actively with them to fix the election. There is a difference between the two. Surely you can see that? Hard to believe a word he says. http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/ they call them false things because he’s just too stupid to know what he’s talking about most of the time. Edited February 18, 2018 by thebug
RaoulDuke79 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebug said: No he said the whole thing was a hoax. Made up, never happened. And that’s just one example. The guy is a pathological liar. He’s mocked for most of his tweets because he’s an imbecile. Just like you're mocked for most of your posts. You're in good company.
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