Trump and Russia

[Logic]

http://observer.com/2017/03/fbi-nsa-congressional-session-trump-putin-kremlin/

"Monday’s marathon Congressional session about Moscow’s clandestine machinations during our 2016 election was one for the books. The directors of the FBI and NSA hardly ever speak jointly in open session, so this was a truly special event, and what they had to say rocked American politics.

Together, the FBI’s James Comey and NSA’s Mike Rogers made it abundantly clear to the House Intelligence Committee that Russian spies interfered in last year’s presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump. Moreover, the new president and his team are under FBI counterintelligence investigation, and have been since last summer, in an inquiry that’s attempting to get to the bottom of this unpleasant mess—including assessing if there was any clandestine collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump."

For those who still make insistences to the contrary.

[GG]

http://observer.com/2017/03/fbi-nsa-congressional-session-trump-putin-kremlin/

 

"Monday’s marathon Congressional session about Moscow’s clandestine machinations during our 2016 election was one for the books. The directors of the FBI and NSA hardly ever speak jointly in open session, so this was a truly special event, and what they had to say rocked American politics.

Together, the FBI’s James Comey and NSA’s Mike Rogers made it abundantly clear to the House Intelligence Committee that Russian spies interfered in last year’s presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump. Moreover, the new president and his team are under FBI counterintelligence investigation, and have been since last summer, in an inquiry that’s attempting to get to the bottom of this unpleasant mess—including assessing if there was any clandestine collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump."

 

For those who still make insistences to the contrary.

 

So you do admit that Trump was wiretapped?

[Logic]

 

So you do admit that Trump was wiretapped?

I don't suppose you read the very next paragraph in that link?

 

"Just as stunning was the admission by Director Comey, speaking for both the Bureau and the Department of Justice, that the president’s tweetstorm accusation that Barack Obama “wiretapped” Trump Tower is nonsense. Nobody in the Intelligence Community has found a shred of evidence to support Trump’s outlandish claim, while Director Rogers explained that NSA’s British partner agency, GCHQ, was not involved in any surveillance of Team Trump—another bizarre accusation the White House backed, notwithstanding that such conspiracy-theorizing is of Russian origin."

[Joe Miner]

http://observer.com/2017/03/fbi-nsa-congressional-session-trump-putin-kremlin/

"Mondays marathon Congressional session about Moscows clandestine machinations during our 2016 election was one for the books. The directors of the FBI and NSA hardly ever speak jointly in open session, so this was a truly special event, and what they had to say rocked American politics.

Together, the FBIs James Comey and NSAs Mike Rogers made it abundantly clear to the House Intelligence Committee that Russian spies interfered in last years presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump. Moreover, the new president and his team are under FBI counterintelligence investigation, and have been since last summer, in an inquiry thats attempting to get to the bottom of this unpleasant messincluding assessing if there was any clandestine collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump."

 

For those who still make insistences to the contrary.

So you suck at reading non-peer reviewed articles as well?

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

Did you study access to healthcare or timely access to healthcare?

 

There's never, ever such a thing as a free lunch.

Still more timely access than to the judicial court/legal system.

 

[GG]

I don't suppose you read the very next paragraph in that link?

 

"Just as stunning was the admission by Director Comey, speaking for both the Bureau and the Department of Justice, that the president’s tweetstorm accusation that Barack Obama “wiretapped” Trump Tower is nonsense. Nobody in the Intelligence Community has found a shred of evidence to support Trump’s outlandish claim, while Director Rogers explained that NSA’s British partner agency, GCHQ, was not involved in any surveillance of Team Trump—another bizarre accusation the White House backed, notwithstanding that such conspiracy-theorizing is of Russian origin."

 

I'll take your weathervane Comey and double it with a shot of Nunes.

 

 

Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday.

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

And that is a conservative meltdown. They want their appointment now!

[HappyDays]

 

I'll take your weathervane Comey and double it with a shot of Nunes.

 

 

It was clarified that Trump communications were picked up incidentally while wiretapping members of his transition team and foreign agents. Which is a far cry from what Trump said, that Obama personally ordered wiretaps of his communications in Trump Tower. The man remains an untrustworthy buffoon. The bigger concern, and it's not exactly news, is that "incidental communications" are now regularly picked up by intelligence agencies. That should concern anyone Democrat or Republican, but neither side wants that to stop. Our privacy rights are all but gone.

[ExiledInIllinois]

It was clarified that Trump communications were picked up incidentally while wiretapping members of his transition team and foreign agents. Which is a far cry from what Trump said, that Obama personally ordered wiretaps of his communications in Trump Tower. The man remains an untrustworthy buffoon. The bigger concern, and it's not exactly news, is that "incidental communications" are now regularly picked up by intelligence agencies. That should concern anyone Democrat or Republican, but neither side wants that to stop. Our privacy rights are all but gone.

Trump is a pathological liar that can't be trusted... Of course to tell the truth.

 

Be careful of the unintended consequences, always unintended consequences!

 

Funny how the right was having meltdowns about "lock her up" and a silly e-mail server(s)... Now he have the most scandalous administration in years to show for our "good intentions." Boy were we duped!

[Logic]

So you suck at reading non-peer reviewed articles as well?

Peer-reviewed articles is the standard now? That's funny. I see nothing but newsbusters, National Review, and Fox News much of the time.

[DC Tom]

I don't suppose you read the very next paragraph in that link?

 

"Just as stunning was the admission by Director Comey, speaking for both the Bureau and the Department of Justice, that the president’s tweetstorm accusation that Barack Obama “wiretapped” Trump Tower is nonsense. Nobody in the Intelligence Community has found a shred of evidence to support Trump’s outlandish claim, while Director Rogers explained that NSA’s British partner agency, GCHQ, was not involved in any surveillance of Team Trump—another bizarre accusation the White House backed, notwithstanding that such conspiracy-theorizing is of Russian origin."

 

So the reports back in October of warrants for wiretaps on Trump Tower were all false?

[GG]

It was clarified that Trump communications were picked up incidentally while wiretapping members of his transition team and foreign agents. Which is a far cry from what Trump said, that Obama personally ordered wiretaps of his communications in Trump Tower. The man remains an untrustworthy buffoon. The bigger concern, and it's not exactly news, is that "incidental communications" are now regularly picked up by intelligence agencies. That should concern anyone Democrat or Republican, but neither side wants that to stop. Our privacy rights are all but gone.

 

Please tell me how it's possible to "incidentally" pick up Trump's conversations, if the targets were foreigners communicating with members of his team?

[HappyDays]

 

Please tell me how it's possible to "incidentally" pick up Trump's conversations, if the targets were foreigners communicating with members of his team?

If members of his own team were under investigation, obviously his communications with them would be incidentally recorded. Nunes is clarifying this right now in a press conference. He confirmed that Obama did not order wiretaps on Trump, and that any communication picked up was incidental. Trump himself said he feels "somewhat vindicated." If there was anything to this, that would not be his choice of words.

[IDBillzFan]

http://observer.com/2017/03/fbi-nsa-congressional-session-trump-putin-kremlin/

 

"Monday’s marathon Congressional session about Moscow’s clandestine machinations during our 2016 election was one for the books. The directors of the FBI and NSA hardly ever speak jointly in open session, so this was a truly special event, and what they had to say rocked American politics.

Together, the FBI’s James Comey and NSA’s Mike Rogers made it abundantly clear to the House Intelligence Committee that Russian spies interfered in last year’s presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump. Moreover, the new president and his team are under FBI counterintelligence investigation, and have been since last summer, in an inquiry that’s attempting to get to the bottom of this unpleasant mess—including assessing if there was any clandestine collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump."

 

For those who still make insistences to the contrary.

 

What do Hillary Clinton and Russia have in common?

 

Both allegedly interfered in last year's presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump.

 

Guess which one really cost Hillary the election?

 

Hint:

 

[GG]

If members of his own team were under investigation, obviously his communications with them would be incidentally recorded. Nunes is clarifying this right now in a press conference. He confirmed that Obama did not order wiretaps on Trump, and that any communication picked up was incidental. Trump himself said he feels "somewhat vindicated." If there was anything to this, that would not be his choice of words.

 

The question was - how can Trump's communication be incidentally obtained?

[ExiledInIllinois]

"Afterward, they were asked a series of questions about the article and their personal opinions about the issue. Nyhan and Reifler found that how people responded to the factual corrections in the articles they read varied systematically by how ideologically committed they already were to the beliefs that such facts supported. Among those who believed the popular misinformation in the first place, more information and actual facts challenging those beliefs did not cause a change of opinion-in fact, it often had the effect of strengthening those ideologically grounded beliefs."

[B-Man]

“HACKED”: Podesta Was Board Member Of Firm Linked To Russian ‘Investors’

Podesta — best known as Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman and former President Bill Clinton’s White House chief of staff — first made contact with the Russian firm in 2011, when he joined the boards and executive

committees of three related entities: Boston-based Joule Unlimited; Rotterdam-based Joule Global Holdings; Joule Global Stichting, the company’s controlling interest. All are high-tech renewable energy enterprises.

Three months after Podesta’s arrival, Joule Unlimited accepted a 1 billion ruble investment from Rusnano, amounting to $35 million in U.S. currency. The firm also awarded a Joule board seat in February 2012 to Anatoly Chubais, Rusnano’s CEO, who has been depicted as a corrupt figure.

Podesta has attempted to downplay his relationship with Joule and Rusnano, but it could come to haunt him.

One potential legal problem for him relates to the time he joined former President Barack Obama’s White House staff in 2014 as a senior counselor and failed to reveal his 2011 Joule stock vesting agreement in his government financial disclosure form.

Further, he failed to disclose 75,000 common shares of Joule stock he received, as disclosed in a WikiLeaks email.

After Podesta began working at the White House, his lawyer indicated in a Jan. 6, 2014 email that he had not yet finished the legal work on the private transfer of the stock to a family-owned entity called Leonido Holdings, LLC.

 

 

 

 

the Clintons and John Podesta and his Russian “investors

 

 

 

 

Of course, its a little more recent than the 2005 Manafort "blockbuster"......................

 

Getting rid of Manafort may have been Trump’s smartest “You’re fired!” moment ever.

[HappyDays]

 

The question was - how can Trump's communication be incidentally obtained?

I answered the question, I suggest you read my post again. The first sentence should do.

[GG]

I answered the question, I suggest you read my post again. The first sentence should do.

 

Then maybe you can explain the legality of this incidental capture of communications between two US citizens, and exactly how Trump's communications fall under FISA orders?

[DC Tom]

“HACKED”: Podesta Was Board Member Of Firm Linked To Russian ‘Investors’

Podesta — best known as Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman and former President Bill Clinton’s White House chief of staff — first made contact with the Russian firm in 2011, when he joined the boards and executive

committees of three related entities: Boston-based Joule Unlimited; Rotterdam-based Joule Global Holdings; Joule Global Stichting, the company’s controlling interest. All are high-tech renewable energy enterprises.

Three months after Podesta’s arrival, Joule Unlimited accepted a 1 billion ruble investment from Rusnano, amounting to $35 million in U.S. currency. The firm also awarded a Joule board seat in February 2012 to Anatoly Chubais, Rusnano’s CEO, who has been depicted as a corrupt figure.

Podesta has attempted to downplay his relationship with Joule and Rusnano, but it could come to haunt him.

One potential legal problem for him relates to the time he joined former President Barack Obama’s White House staff in 2014 as a senior counselor and failed to reveal his 2011 Joule stock vesting agreement in his government financial disclosure form.

Further, he failed to disclose 75,000 common shares of Joule stock he received, as disclosed in a WikiLeaks email.

After Podesta began working at the White House, his lawyer indicated in a Jan. 6, 2014 email that he had not yet finished the legal work on the private transfer of the stock to a family-owned entity called Leonido Holdings, LLC.

 

 

 

 

the Clintons and John Podesta and his Russian “investors

 

 

 

 

Of course, its a little more recent than the 2005 Manafort "blockbuster"......................

 

Getting rid of Manafort may have been Trump’s smartest “You’re fired!” moment ever.

 

Pretty sure you can "Kevin Bacon" just about anyone in DC to Putin.

 

Then maybe you can explain the legality of this incidental capture of communications between two US citizens, and exactly how Trump's communications fall under FISA orders?

 

What FISA orders? He wasn't wiretapped, remember?

 

I don't know how the left handles the cognitive dissonance of this whole thing. I find it acutely painful.