K-9 Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 No, the Russians wanted to talk about sanctions and adoption. Don Jr. wanted the goods on Hillary, which they didn't actually have as they promised. He is in no legal jeopardy for meeting with them or emailing them about evidence that they might have detrimental to Hillary. The media and hacks like Adam Schiff are pushing this story to people like you who are either purposely disingenuous or duped easily. Yeah, people like me and Charles Krauthammer, apparently. It doesn't matter what the Russians wanted; it's what Don Jr., Manafort, and Kushner wanted. Jr.'s emails clearly indicate what they wanted. And while we don't know all the facts yet (there are more to come, I'm sure), there is legal opinion out there that says his emails may constitute solicitation of a foreign national for favors, which is illegal. Russia played these idiots like a fiddle. Much like with Flynn, when caught lying about something the Kremlin knows to be true, they are compromised.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 LOL... She's your hero... You even sound like her... Look, Benghazi was a Chinese, 3-alarm, Clusterf%^#.... Someone clearly underestimated that situation... From 5000 miles away, however, I could at least see how someone could be ignorant of certain facts, and perhaps need to do damage control in advance of things they're unaware of... Most people don't know that During the G.W. Bush Administration, there were Approximately 13 attacks on U.S. Embassies and consular properties, accounting for 66 deaths (3 American). NONE of which received the Attention of Benghazi... I'll concede that it was handled horrifically... However, at no point did Hillary invite these terrorists to attack that Embassy.. She was never in league with them while they were perpetrating the attack... Team Trump's lies, and misleading answers give folks reason to wonder if the administration was compromised from it's inception. I was on here quite frequently calling the Benghazi hearings nothing but political theater to wound HRC before her campaign. There's a lot of truth to that, the majority of the hearings were in fact nothing but that... ... Still, despite that truth, at the heart of the issue was the fact that HRC and the State Department were running guns into Syria (and into the hands of ISIS and AQ fighters) through Libya to fight an illegal war against Assad while allying, arming, and funding the very organization that attacked the US on 9/11. That's not political theater. That's an egregious breach of public trust. American personnel and an Ambassador were left to die because the administration (particularly HRC's State Department) didn't want that dirty laundry out in public because it would damage her chances of winning in 2016. Omitting this fact from your very flawed retelling of what lead to the hearings in the first place shows you either are unaware of what Benghazi was truly about or you don't care because it happened under 44's watch rather than someone with an R before their name.
#34fan Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) I was on here quite frequently calling the Benghazi hearings nothing but political theater to wound HRC before her campaign. There's a lot of truth to that, the majority of the hearings were in fact nothing but that... ... Still, despite that truth, at the heart of the issue was the fact that HRC and the State Department were running guns into Syria (and into the hands of ISIS and AQ fighters) through Libya to fight an illegal war against Assad while allying, arming, and funding the very organization that attacked the US on 9/11. That's not political theater. That's an egregious breach of public trust. American personnel and an Ambassador were left to die because the administration (particularly HRC's State Department) didn't want that dirty laundry out in public because it would damage her chances of winning in 2016. Omitting this fact from your very flawed retelling of what lead to the hearings in the first place shows you either are unaware of what Benghazi was truly about or you don't care because it happened under 44's watch rather than someone with an R before their name. Can you provide a link proving that this is anything more than a conspiracy theory? It's a known fact that the CIA was involved in the collection of loose arms in and around Libya... I've seen ZERO hard evidence that those weapons made it to Syria. OR, that the State department was involved in any of it.... Even if it were substantiated, the U.S. making common cause with a dubious ally to advance a global agenda is hardly news.... As late a May 2001, the U.S. gave tens of millions of dollars in grants to the Afghan Taliban... During the 80's, the U.S. provided aid to a multi-national coalition of Islamic extremists against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan... A theatre that included Bin Laden's Mujahadeen fighters.... We get it... Uncle Sam does unbelievably shady s#!t.... You need to understand that NONE of that is the same as a U.S. President (or presidential candidiate) teaming up with foreign actors in an attempt to undermine one of our most sacred institutions... If it's really no big deal, why not just come clean? Edited July 15, 2017 by #34fan
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 You need to understand that NONE of that is the same as a U.S. President (or presidential candidiate) teaming up with foreign actors in an attempt to undermine one of our most sacred institutions... ...Hillary Clinton?
#34fan Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) ...Hillary Clinton? Tom, you F%^$! *#&%, you have never ONCE heard me say that Hillary didn't deserve to have her feet held to the fire for Benghazi, and it's aftermath... There's a whole lot to that story, and I'm pretty sure it's all been discussed here on PPP... Benghazi has nothing to do with RIGHT NOW... Let's not pretend like this is the first, fifth, or even fifteenth, lie, half-truth, or deception coming from Trump and his surrogates. Edited July 16, 2017 by #34fan
aristocrat Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 the dems better connect with one of these stories or in a few years they are gonna get steamrolled in the next election
Tiberius Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 the dems better connect with one of these stories or in a few years they are gonna get steamrolled in the next election Russia might make sure Dems get "steamrolled" anyway.
aristocrat Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Russia might make sure Dems get "steamrolled" anyway. By making up stories of trump liking golden showers?
Tiberius Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 By making up stories of trump liking golden showers? Nope, by hacking, document dumps on Democrats in October 2018, targeted cyber propaganda and since criminals only get braver when not stopped, I imagine blackmail, intimidationa and other threats. It's pretty obvious Trump has a relationship with the Russian leadership so they have the total ability to work hand in hand. And it looks like many Conservatives will be ok with this
grinreaper Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Nope, by hacking, document dumps on Democrats in October 2018, targeted cyber propaganda and since criminals only get braver when not stopped, I imagine blackmail, intimidationa and other threats. It's pretty obvious Trump has a relationship with the Russian leadership so they have the total ability to work hand in hand. And it looks like many Conservatives will be ok with this Wow. Already with the excuses, eh? Gotta say one thing for ya gator, you know how to be defeated.
B-Man Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Whenever a poster like Gator, or others, write "it's pretty obvious"............you can usually bet it is just one of their narratives built with gossamer wishes.... (if it's Sunday, it must be Clarice) The Russian Collusion Story:The Acme of Fake News by Clarice Feldman Original Article Were Democrats Working With The Russians? by Erick Erickson Original Article (Erickson, for those who don't know, has been a leader of the Conservative Anti-Trumpers for two years).......even he knows this story stinks TODAY’S “COLLUSION” NON-STORYby Paul Mirengoff
Koko78 Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Wow. Already with the excuses, eh? Gotta say one thing for ya gator, you know how to be defeated. You do remember that this is a Buffalo Bills inspired message board... We're all used to being defeated.
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Tom, you F%^$! *#&%, you have never ONCE heard me say that Hillary didn't deserve to have her feet held to the fire for Benghazi, and it's aftermath... There's a whole lot to that story, and I'm pretty sure it's all been discussed here on PPP... Benghazi has nothing to do with RIGHT NOW... Let's not pretend like this is the first, fifth, or even fifteenth, lie, half-truth, or deception coming from Trump and his surrogates. What "sacred institution" being "undermined" were you talking about then?
#34fan Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 What "sacred institution" being "undermined" were you talking about then? The election.
B-Man Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 NEWS FROM FLYOVER COUNTRY: Russia Scandal Looks Different Outside of Washington. Elite conservative opinion has shifted markedly. Andrew McCarthy, the former prosecutor who had consistently and compellingly defended the Trump administration against Russia allegations, wrote a powerful piece in National Review raising the prospect of impeachment after it surfaced that high level Trump staff had met with a Russian lawyer and lied about it. The Federalist, which had consistently highlighted and mocked Russia hysteria, ran a piece calling the meeting “shady as hell.” Ross Douthat, a Russia conspiracy skeptic, wrote in the New York Times that he could no longer give the President the benefit of the doubt. Outside of avowed Trump loyalists, the anti-anti Trump arguments on journalist Twitter have been few and far between. It would be hard to find a Republican in Washington who actually thinks that Trump Jr.’s contact with Russians is no big deal. Even the Breitbart staff was shocked. And yet despite this unmistakable, watershed shift, Republican voters appear to be (mostly) unmoved. This is a reminder of how marginal D.C. media is when it comes to shaping the opinion of the mass of actual conservatives in the heartland—a lesson learned during the primary election, but worth keeping in mind during this tumultuous time as well. The D.C. media environment is a simply a different world from what most conservative voters are exposed to. As long as the GOP controls both houses of Congress, it’s possible for a scandal to play out 24/7 for months on virtually all mainstream media platforms without it actually moving the needle politically. Second, voters as a whole aren’t nearly as concerned with the Russia issue as those of us in Washington might think. Just 12 percent of Americans—20 percent of Democrats, 12 percent of Independents, and 2 percent of Republicans—rate Trump’s relationship with Russia among the top two issues they are concerned about. The Russia issue is dwarfed by healthcare, the economy, and immigration. Meanwhile, for virtually every person who does politics for a living in Washington, Democrat or Republican, Russia is number one. Well, to be fair, they all have cushy jobs. So far, I still don’t see much of anything to this scandal. And if you look into all of the “suspicious” Russian contacts Trump Jr. had, I’ll be you’ll find that half of Washington was talking to those people at the same time.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 The election. You mean the one where there wasn't a single vote changed by the Russian meddling? Where there was no "hacking"? The one where the DNC dirt which was released (which there is more evidence of it being leaked from an insider rather than hacked by an outsider) was all 100% accurate? That's what you define as undermining? If that's how you feel, how do you sleep knowing you live in a country that did far worse to friends and foes alike in hundreds of elections over the years? Or do you just ignore that contradiction because it doesn't matter what America does to others, only what others do to America?
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 You mean the one where there wasn't a single vote changed by the Russian meddling? Where there was no "hacking"? The one where the DNC dirt which was released (which there is more evidence of it being leaked from an insider rather than hacked by an outsider) was all 100% accurate? That's what you define as undermining? If that's how you feel, how do you sleep knowing you live in a country that did far worse to friends and foes alike in hundreds of elections over the years? Or do you just ignore that contradiction because it doesn't matter what America does to others, only what others do to America? Let me ask again: was any "sacred institution" undermined other than Hillary Clinton?
/dev/null Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 Let me ask again: was any "sacred institution" undermined other than Hillary Clinton? But it was her turn
aristocrat Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 The left want a war with Russia. Can't we just enjoy peace? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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