Trump and Russia

[row_33]

 

I agree that Flynn is a chump, and it just exemplifies how bad a decision Trump made in selecting him as NSA. And if not for the public disclosure of his lying to Pence which embarrassed Trump into firing him, Flynn would still be the compromised NSA.

 

When nobody from your party supports you, they all want to continue collecting a Gravy Train cheque doing nothing, then you are kinda limited in your choice for immediate heavy appointments.

 

Do Americans feel that the rest of the world sees them as leaders with integrity and uncompromised intelligence services? Honestly??

[Deranged Rhino]

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

[B-Man]

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

 

 

FTA:

 

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence.

 

And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.

[4merper4mer]

 

FTA:

 

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence.

 

And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.

 

 

Just ween them off of Russia to UFO crap. That has decades of staying power .

[Joe Miner]

 

FTA:

 

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence.

 

And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.

Like an inverse rapture?

[Logic]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/adam-schiff-trump-twitter-wiretapping-russia-ties-236249

 

FBI Director James Comey confirmed Monday the FBI is investigating Russia’s meddling in the presidential election, including possible links between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Comey told the House Intelligence Committee at a hearing that the bureau normally does not comment on the existence of counterintelligence investigations, but that he was authorized to do so in this case because of the extraordinary public interest.

And from Adam Schiff:

“Mr. President, the Russians hacked our election and interfered. No one disputes this now, but you. This is what is called 'fact,'” Schiff wrote in a series of tweets denouncing Trump's claim that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower. “The intelligence community concluded the Russians will interfere again. This is why full investigation is important to country. Please stop.”

 

 

 

While this obviously does not mean that there WAS collusion, since no guilt has yet been proven, it shows that the topic is at least serious enough and likely enough that there is an active investigation underway. While I and many others had zero doubt that such an investigation existed, many here laughed off even the notion that it COULD happen.

I suppose it's just more Deep State persecution, eh?

[row_33]

Canada has been doing fine somewhere between obeying what England, the US and the USSR has commanded.

[Deranged Rhino]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/adam-schiff-trump-twitter-wiretapping-russia-ties-236249

 

 

FBI Director James Comey confirmed Monday the FBI is investigating Russia’s meddling in the presidential election, including possible links between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Comey told the House Intelligence Committee at a hearing that the bureau normally does not comment on the existence of counterintelligence investigations, but that he was authorized to do so in this case because of the extraordinary public interest.

 

And from Adam Schiff:

 

“Mr. President, the Russians hacked our election and interfered. No one disputes this now, but you. This is what is called 'fact,'” Schiff wrote in a series of tweets denouncing Trump's claim that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower. “The intelligence community concluded the Russians will interfere again. This is why full investigation is important to country. Please stop.”

 

 

 

While this obviously does not mean that there WAS collusion, since no guilt has yet been proven, it shows that the topic is at least serious enough and likely enough that there is an active investigation underway. While I and many others had zero doubt that such an investigation existed, many here laughed off even the notion that it COULD happen.

 

I suppose it's just more Deep State persecution, eh?

 

We've learned nothing new. Everyone knew an investigation was ongoing, no evidence was offered (and I'm open to any and all evidence that is more than just speculative) and so far Comey has barely answered any questions.

 

There is still a glaring lack of evidence outside of partisan talking points from the likes of Schiff (who's an embarrassment), this entire hearing is for the optics. Nothing substantive has been offered in way of advancing this theory. Combine that with the likes of Clapper and Brenner saying there is no evidence of collusion and I imagine the ones still clinging to this narrative are starting to get nervous -- so they make a big show of Comey coming to the Hill and hope no one pays attention to what the man actually said... which has been nothing.

[meazza]

 

We've learned nothing new. Everyone knew an investigation was ongoing, no evidence was offered (and I'm open to any and all evidence that is more than just speculative) and so far Comey has barely answered any questions.

 

There is still a glaring lack of evidence outside of partisan talking points from the likes of Schiff (who's an embarrassment), this entire hearing is for the optics. Nothing substantive has been offered in way of advancing this theory. Combine that with the likes of Clapper and Brenner saying there is no evidence of collusion and I imagine the ones still clinging to this narrative are starting to get nervous -- so they make a big show of Comey coming to the Hill and hope no one pays attention to what the man actually said... which has been nothing.

 

I'll just answer for Logic:

 

"Because Russia"

 

/Logic

 

the end

[Tiberius]

 

We've learned nothing new. Everyone knew an investigation was ongoing, no evidence was offered (and I'm open to any and all evidence that is more than just speculative) and so far Comey has barely answered any questions.

 

There is still a glaring lack of evidence outside of partisan talking points from the likes of Schiff (who's an embarrassment), this entire hearing is for the optics. Nothing substantive has been offered in way of advancing this theory. Combine that with the likes of Clapper and Brenner saying there is no evidence of collusion and I imagine the ones still clinging to this narrative are starting to get nervous -- so they make a big show of Comey coming to the Hill and hope no one pays attention to what the man actually said... which has been nothing.

Why is Schiff an embarrassment? Because he wants to follow through on this and find out about all these things that look really strange. There IS circumstantial evidence of collusion, so I disagree with you. The evidence is pretty right out in the open. What isn't is the technological finding of who did what, which will be hard to present to a jury, for sure

[Deranged Rhino]

Why is Schiff an embarrassment? Because he wants to follow through on this and find out about all these things that look really strange. There IS circumstantial evidence of collusion, so I disagree with you. The evidence is pretty right out in the open. What isn't is the technological finding of who did what, which will be hard to present to a jury, for sure

 

I've interviewed Schiff several times and spent time with the man off camera. He's driven entirely by partisanship, which has been on display with how he's handled this ongoing story over the past several months and is indeed an embarrassment to any American who cares about truth.

 

There is some circumstantial evidence -- all of which is very weak and largely based on unnamed sources citing unnamed methods of collecting that evidence. That's not compelling... unless it's fitting your confirmation bias. Then it probably feels much more substantive.

[4merper4mer]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/adam-schiff-trump-twitter-wiretapping-russia-ties-236249

 

 

FBI Director James Comey confirmed Monday the FBI is investigating Russia’s meddling in the presidential election, including possible links between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Comey told the House Intelligence Committee at a hearing that the bureau normally does not comment on the existence of counterintelligence investigations, but that he was authorized to do so in this case because of the extraordinary public interest.

 

And from Adam Schiff:

 

“Mr. President, the Russians hacked our election and interfered. No one disputes this now, but you. This is what is called 'fact,'” Schiff wrote in a series of tweets denouncing Trump's claim that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower. “The intelligence community concluded the Russians will interfere again. This is why full investigation is important to country. Please stop.”

 

 

 

While this obviously does not mean that there WAS collusion, since no guilt has yet been proven, it shows that the topic is at least serious enough and likely enough that there is an active investigation underway. While I and many others had zero doubt that such an investigation existed, many here laughed off even the notion that it COULD happen.

 

I suppose it's just more Deep State persecution, eh?

 

 

No one disputes that Russia "hacked" the election?

 

Define "hacked the election". If your definition includes getting access to John Podesta's email because John Podesta is a stupid old man, please explain how that is "the election". Look, i have as much or more respect for old people than anyone, but let's face it, they fall for phishing stuff all the time.

 

Did the Russians do anything to alter even one actual vote that was cast? Has that even been posited? Because that would be hacking the election if they did it electronically. If they did it by allowing dead people to vote it would be criminal, but not hacking.

[B-Man]

 

 

No one disputes that Russia "hacked" the election?

 

Define "hacked the election". If your definition includes getting access to John Podesta's email because John Podesta is a stupid old man, please explain how that is "the election". Look, i have as much or more respect for old people than anyone, but let's face it, they fall for phishing stuff all the time.

 

Did the Russians do anything to alter even one actual vote that was cast? (NOPE) Has that even been posited? Because that would be hacking the election if they did it electronically. If they did it by allowing dead people to vote it would be criminal, but not hacking.

 

 

This post x 100

[IDBillzFan]

“Mr. President, the Russians hacked our election ...

 

No. They didn't. I really wish you leftists would stop lying about this. It's embarrassing.

[Tiberius]

 

I've interviewed Schiff several times and spent time with the man off camera. He's driven entirely by partisanship, which has been on display with how he's handled this ongoing story over the past several months and is indeed an embarrassment to any American who cares about truth.

 

There is some circumstantial evidence -- all of which is very weak and largely based on unnamed sources citing unnamed methods of collecting that evidence. That's not compelling... unless it's fitting your confirmation bias. Then it probably feels much more substantive.

I really don't agree. Trump's actions speak for themselves, imo. As do the financial connections and his associates. Could all be coincidences but well worth looking into

[Deranged Rhino]

I really don't agree. Trump's actions speak for themselves, imo. As do the financial connections and his associates. Could all be coincidences but well worth looking into

 

No one, at least not me, is arguing they're not worth looking into.

 

What's being debated is what conclusions can be drawn from this information. There is a rush to judgment on the left that has existed since election night... and so far none of the evidence, even the circumstantial stuff you reference, makes that case.

 

Yet people like Schiff are acting like it's already a proven case when it's anything but.

[B-Man]

This what was said

 

 

FBI Confirms It’s Investigating Possible Links Between Trump Campaign and Russia - This Is Good News
by David French

Minutes ago, FBI Director James Comey made this announcement:

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counter-intelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counter-intelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. Because it is an open, ongoing, investigation, and is classified, I cannot say more about what we are doing and whose conduct we are examining.

 

This is good news on at least three counts.

First, by making this announcement, the FBI has ended months of sometimes-irresponsible speculation about its activities.

Second, the FBI is informing America that it is doing its job. Of course we should want the FBI to comprehensively investigate a foreign power’s efforts to interfere with an American presidential election. Of course that would include following the evidence wherever it leads, including (if applicable) to one or both of the rival campaigns.

Third, since the Trump administration’s DOJ authorized this announcement, it is a sign to all Americans that its system is still working as intended. This announcement is not helpful to the administration, but the DOJ authorized it anyway. None of this means the election outcome is illegitimate.

None of this means that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign broke the law. None of this means that illegal leaks are somehow proper simply because an investigation exists. At all times the Constitution protects the rights of each investigated American. It could very well be that a thorough investigation exonerates the Trump campaign. We simply don’t know yet.

Comey also said he had “no information” to support Trump’s “wiretapping” tweets, and that same assertion applied to the DOJ and all its components. As Comey noted, the president simply doesn’t have the legal authority to order a wiretap on an American citizen.

Bipartisan congressional investigation of all aspects of the Russian intervention in our election is still important, but public trust in Congress is low. Adding a comprehensive FBI investigation to the mix increases the chances that Americans will not only learn the full extent of Russian efforts to undermine our democracy but to do so in a manner that bolsters public confidence in those findings. Comey and the DOJ made the right call. America needed to know that federal law enforcement is on the case.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445917/fbi-confirms-its-investigating-potential-links-between-trump-campaign-and-russian

Edited March 20, 2017 by B-Man

[/dev/null]

Remember when the FBI investigating stuff like this was a sexist political witch Hunt?

 

How about letting the investigation take it's course before convicting|acquiting Trump.

[Tiberius]

 

No one, at least not me, is arguing they're not worth looking into.

 

What's being debated is what conclusions can be drawn from this information. There is a rush to judgment on the left that has existed since election night... and so far none of the evidence, even the circumstantial stuff you reference, makes that case.

 

Yet people like Schiff are acting like it's already a proven case when it's anything but.

It's what good prosecutors do. He, in my opinion, is fighting for our democracy. If he has to be a prick to get this investigation going into full gear, so be it

[Deranged Rhino]

It's what good prosecutors do. He, in my opinion, is fighting for our democracy. If he has to be a prick to get this investigation going into full gear, so be it

 

Fighting for our democracy by claiming it was undermined by a foreign power without any evidence??

 

That's the opposite of fighting for our democracy. That's undercutting it to score political points because to a hack like Schiff, party trumps country.