DC Tom Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 It's also consistent with the time it takes to develop sources and get verification on stories. Like any of this ****'s verified or developed. I particularly love the way this story came out over a weekend, and how CNN blatantly and partisanly spun it without even a hint of objectivity. They've raced past Fox's and MSNBC's standards of yellow journalism. The ugly part of this is Baby Trump not disclosing this a long time ago. That's more than incompetence. It's not collusion with Ruskies but it is covering up stuff. Makes you wonder how much more is under wraps. Or it's Hillary Clinton Syndrome: under such constant insipid attack that you cover up everything, thus ensuring you constantly look guilty as ****.
boyst Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 It's not that he didn't disclose it a long time ago so much as he railed and denied any involvement with Russian contacts to no end weeks after the meeting took place. so, the trump campaign can't meet with russia to talk about the election or information about the opposition why exactly? and how do we actually know he said he had no involvement with the ussr? what woudl it take to get you to leave, as well? you're useless. at least tiberius was funny for a moment
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Carter negotiated the release of the hostages in Tehran. You're nuts.
Tiberius Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 It's not that he didn't disclose it a long time ago so much as he railed and denied any involvement with Russian contacts to no end weeks after the meeting took place. Bingo.
gatorbait Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 It could very well be that there is nothing there. After all this drip-drip crap maybe the end game is just terrible popularity ratings for Trump and his administration. But if there is something there and it ends in something drastic for Trump, reading all the posts from the deniers will be glorious.
K-9 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 You're nuts. You need history lessons, too. In September of '80, two months before the election, the Iranians called to make a deal. Chiefly, they were after the $12b in frozen assets Carter imposed; they had a war with Iraq to finance at the time. It took several months to complete and the Carter administration took it to the last hours of the night before Reagan's inauguration.
K-9 Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 so, the trump campaign can't meet with russia to talk about the election or information about the opposition why exactly? and how do we actually know he said he had no involvement with the ussr? what woudl it take to get you to leave, as well? you're useless. at least tiberius was funny for a moment There are federal laws in place that strictly prohibit the acceptance or solicitation of anything of value from foreign nationals. Not saying that's what occurred or not, but there are rules in place that prohibit certain behaviors and I'll leave it to the legal beagles to parse that but he may have put himself in jeopardy. As for how do we know he said he had no involvement? He stood up in front of the news media last summer and vehemently declared that was the case. Same as Manafort. Media outlets have been showing that the last two days.
reddogblitz Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 Frankly, anyone who honestly believes the Russians influenced the election should also consider it a strong possibility that the Russians are manipulating this story as well - they derive little benefit from having a "stooge" in the White House, since the president isn't all-powerful, but significantly benefit from being able to weaken the president and distract Congress. I've been starting to think along these lines the last few days. This could be Russia's way of throwing a monkey wrench into the election. Throw out appearance of impropriety by getting meetings with candidates to throw a collusion cloud over the results of the election. We know what they did with Trump because he won. I wonder if they didn't try to do these same types of things with Hillary that we just don't hear about because she lost? The uranium deal comes to mind.
Magox Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 From what we know this isn't collusion, but a case of naivete and idiocy from Donald Jr. Or it's Hillary Clinton Syndrome: under such constant insipid attack that you cover up everything, thus ensuring you constantly look guilty as ****. That is what I believe it to be as well.
grinreaper Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 There are federal laws in place that strictly prohibit the acceptance or solicitation of anything of value from foreign nationals. Not saying that's what occurred or not, but there are rules in place that prohibit certain behaviors and I'll leave it to the legal beagles to parse that but he may have put himself in jeopardy. As for how do we know he said he had no involvement? He stood up in front of the news media last summer and vehemently declared that was the case. Same as Manafort. Media outlets have been showing that the last two days. If anything he said that he didn't meet with any Russian government officials. The media was all up in arms regarding Jeff Sessions secret meetings with the Russian Ambassador too. He met with him at his Senate office on Senate business once where the meeting was recorded and shook hands with him at a reception. It should be obvious with anyone that has a brain that this whole Russian business is totally media driven.
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 If anything he said that he didn't meet with any Russian government officials. The media was all up in arms regarding Jeff Sessions secret meetings with the Russian Ambassador too. He met with him at his Senate office on Senate business once where the meeting was recorded and shook hands with him at a reception. It should be obvious with anyone that has a brain that this whole Russian business is totally media driven. Did you read the emails?
K-9 Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 If anything he said that he didn't meet with any Russian government officials. The media was all up in arms regarding Jeff Sessions secret meetings with the Russian Ambassador too. He met with him at his Senate office on Senate business once where the meeting was recorded and shook hands with him at a reception. It should be obvious with anyone that has a brain that this whole Russian business is totally media driven. Well, some legal experts disagree and I'll leave it at that. His email chain makes it pretty clear what he was after and who he was meeting with after the meeting was brokered by a high-powered Russian with close ties to the Kremlin and the Prosecutor General of Russia whom the lady lawyer worked for previously.
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 **** Tucker Carlson has a story: Russia and Green groups, the real collusion story! Har har
aristocrat Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 So he got baited by someone claiming Hillary had Russian connections. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Deranged Rhino Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 It could very well be that there is nothing there. After all this drip-drip crap maybe the end game is just terrible popularity ratings for Trump and his administration. But if there is something there and it ends in something drastic for Trump, reading all the posts from the deniers will be glorious. In other words: the hobbling of an incoming administration (before day one in the office) by a group of unelected folks within the DNC, media, the USIC, and the MiC who didn't agree with the choice the American people made (for differing reasons). That's the real threat to the country. Not this Russian collusion narrative.
gatorbait Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 In other words: the hobbling of an incoming administration (before day one in the office) by a group of unelected folks within the DNC, media, the USIC, and the MiC who didn't agree with the choice the American people made (for differing reasons). That's the real threat to the country. Not this Russian collusion narrative. I'm too high from inhaling chemtrails to follow this right now sorry. Didn't 70,000 people in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania combined decide the election? That isn't exactly the American people sticking it to the system. Maybe I will agree with this when the investigation is over, you are proven right that there is no collusion and I put on my tinfoil hat again because I feel like big brother is watching me.
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 In other words: the hobbling of an incoming administration (before day one in the office) by a group of unelected folks within the DNC, media, the USIC, and the MiC who didn't agree with the choice the American people made (for differing reasons). That's the real threat to the country. Not this Russian collusion narrative. How do you explain the fact that THREE leaks for this latest story came from the WH? You think the admistration is hobbling itself? Three different people in the WH gave this story to the times
snafu Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 Here's one of the other issues that no one considers: We're seeing lots of conjecture and narrative that's short of hard evidence - not one damn thing that's been released so far does anything other than reinforce everyone's preconceived notions. And it's being leaked slowly over a long time frame. This sort of slow-rolling of empty innuendo is exactly what you would do if you wanted to weaken the administration and the federal government. Call in to question the administration's credibility, and make the federal government focus on this to the exclusion of other issues. Frankly, anyone who honestly believes the Russians influenced the election should also consider it a strong possibility that the Russians are manipulating this story as well - they derive little benefit from having a "stooge" in the White House, since the president isn't all-powerful, but significantly benefit from being able to weaken the president and distract Congress. I believe there's a lot to this. And I think Don Jr. got played like a fiddle in that regard. It's also consistent with the time it takes to develop sources and get verification on stories. When the pee video gets released, I'll be on your side. The ugly part of this is Baby Trump not disclosing this a long time ago. That's more than incompetence. It's not collusion with Ruskies but it is covering up stuff. Makes you wonder how much more is under wraps. So for any of this to be true (a) Trump and his people couldn't possibly have been colluding with Russia on anything -- because the more important aspect is the manipulation of the story for the purpose of distracting the government from real issues that they should be focusing on, and (b) if the Russians are manipulating the story then whoever's doing the steady and well-timed leaking on their behalf is more guilty of treason than whatever anyone in Trump's campaign allegedly did. ...Unless (a) is actually the Russians capitalizing on the overblown reaction to the election results, which would be pretty deft on their part.
fridge Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 So he got baited by someone claiming Hillary had Russian connections. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If he just reported it and went on his way, that would be a valid argument. Conspiracy to commit election fraud by working with a foreign entity is a crime. It's actually pretty interesting to see all of the backtracking here as if it's still a non-story.
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