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1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

So you the earth is round too?  You a flat earther?

 

 

How the hell am I going to get evidence.  We will have to wait for the Mueller Report.  But you have the inside story.

 

Slow down grasshopper!

 

So you admit you have no evidence. That evidence is being held by "someone in the government" and thus, you can't see it for yourself but you KNOW what it says... 

 

That, again, are the actions and thinking patterns of a conspiracy theorist. You have nothing to back up your position - yet you're certain that you're correct. 

 

You're proving how uninformed and gullible you are, Exiled. Sad.

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1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Stop being purposely obtuse.  

 

Stop being purposelessly obtuse.  FBI raids of attorney's offices and tweets from National Review columnists are not checks and balances on the president.  That's not what "checks and balances" mean.  Words having meaning.

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2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Stop being purposelessly obtuse.  FBI raids of attorney's offices and tweets from National Review columnists are not checks and balances on the president.  That's not what "checks and balances" mean.  Words having meaning.

Semantics.

 

But back to the duscussion.  We will see how Trump respects impeachment proceedings.  I don't have time to dig up Greggy's evidence, but I have a hunch Trump will do badly.

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This isn't the right thread but since it was asked I'll repeat what I've said before regarding Flat Earth. 

 

Its a psyop designed to disparage independent media. It works like this:

 

1) generate a bunch of flat earth theories/conspiracies and get useful idiots to push them.

 

2) inevitably some independent/conspiracy leaning sites and message boards will cover the topic - mostly to squash it. 

 

3) This generates more useful idiots to push back harder against "the narrative", and creates more pro and con type articles about FE. 

(The above started in earnest in 2013)

 

Five years later...

 

4) any media outlet who covered FE gets those stories bumped to the top of all search engine results, meaning that anytime a normal person decides to look outside the MSM for information, and attempt to vet the independent sources, they'll see a bunch of flat earth articles and (rightfully) determine said outlets aren't real news or serious sources of information - funneling them back into the controlled safe spaces of the MSM. 

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Semantics.

 

But back to the duscussion.  We will see how Trump respects impeachment proceedings.  I don't have time to dig up Greggy's evidence, but I have a hunch Trump will do badly.

 

Conflating issues now because you can't discuss this issue on a fact based basis ... Because you've swallowed fully a conspiracy theory pushed on you by people who do not have your best interests in heart. The same people who lied to you about WMD in Iraq have created this narrative, but you ignore that because "Orange man bad". 

 

Sad. 

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2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Semantics.

 

But back to the duscussion.  We will see how Trump respects impeachment proceedings.  I don't have time to dig up Greggy's evidence, but I have a hunch Trump will do badly.

 

It's not "semantics" you ***** retard.

 

You've constructed an argument entirely reliant on the negative emotional appeal certain words generate because of what they mean, and are then attempting to change those words definitions after the fact.

 

This is stupid, and so are you.

 

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

This isn't the right thread but since it was asked I'll repeat what I've said before regarding Flat Earth. 

 

Its a psyop designed to disparage independent media. It works like this:

 

1) generate a bunch of flat earth theories/conspiracies and get useful idiots to push them.

 

2) inevitably some independent/conspiracy leaning sites and message boards will cover the topic - mostly to squash it. 

 

3) This generates more useful idiots to push back harder against "the narrative", and creates more pro and con type articles about FE. 

(The above started in earnest in 2013)

 

Five years later...

 

4) any media outlet who covered FE gets those stories bumped to the top of all search engine results, meaning that anytime a normal person decides to look outside the MSM for information, and attempt to vet the independent sources, they'll see a bunch of flat earth articles and (rightfully) determine said outlets aren't real news or serious sources of information - funneling them back into the controlled safe spaces of the MSM. 

 

Conflating issues now because you can't discuss this issue on a fact based basis ... Because you've swallowed fully a conspiracy theory pushed on you by people who do not have your best interests in heart. The same people who lied to you about WMD in Iraq have created this narrative, but you ignore that because "Orange man bad". 

 

Sad. 

I was here telling people that they were being lied to on WMDs!

 

I wish the Board still existed!

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's not "semantics" you ***** retard.

 

You've constructed an argument entirely reliant on the negative emotional appeal certain words generate because of what they mean, and are then attempting to change those words definitions after the fact.

 

This is stupid, and so are you.

 

Let me guess, more father issues.

 

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Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

I was here telling people that they were being lied to on WMDs!

 

I wish the Board still existed!

 

And now you're blindly believing the same people - not just the same agencies and media outlets but the same people (Brennan, Clapper, Hayden, Rubin, Frum, Krystol) - who lied to you about WMD without evidence... now you're CERTAIN they're paragons of truth because... why? They offer you no evidence to support their claims. There are mountains of evidence that prove they're lying about this subject... but you continue to believe people you KNEW were liars 10 years ago because... you're a conspiracy theorist who WANTS this to be true.

 

Sad.

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Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And now you're blindly believing the same people - not just the same agencies and media outlets but the same people (Brennan, Clapper, Hayden, Rubin, Frum, Krystol) - who lied to you about WMD without evidence... now you're CERTAIN they're paragons of truth because... why? They offer you no evidence to support their claims. There are mountains of evidence that prove they're lying about this subject... but you continue to believe people you KNEW were liars 10 years ago because... you're a conspiracy theorist who WANTS this to be true.

 

Sad.

Trump is not even giving you a reach around, you believe him.

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5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's not "semantics" you ***** retard.

 

You've constructed an argument entirely reliant on the negative emotional appeal certain words generate because of what they mean, and are then attempting to change those words definitions after the fact.

 

This is stupid, and so are you.

 

That Trump doesn't respect checks and balances is an emotional argument? You are a blind Trumptard. Our "Acting" Attorney General is a prime example of Trump's unconstitutional leanings. You suck 

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1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c15302ee4b05d7e5d827572/amp?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001

 

Yeah, HuffPost, but pretty straightforward when it come to Constitutional questions.

 

Guess what Guys (& Gals)...

 

Thus, when Trump and his supporters claim “collusion” is not a “crime” under U.S. law, it’s largely irrelevant, whether it’s true or not. A presidential campaign conspiring with a foreign power that interferes on its behalf in an election rises to the level of impeachment if the Congress says it does.

A Laundry List Of Charges

Even if Trump isn’t shown to have conspired with Russia on election interference, his repeated lies to the American people about his connections to the Kremlin while he worked with Russia on a personal business project, the Trump Tower Moscow, well into the campaign, could rightly be viewed as an impeachable offense. And even before the Cohen filings made the timeline of that deal clear, Trump’s calls for better relations with the Russian government, including lifting sanctions and changing American policy in Ukraine, could be viewed as an impeachable case of putting his own selfish interests before the United States’.

hell, having excessive toejam is an impeachable offense if Congress says it is.

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3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

wha?? the content may be fiction but the report isn't?  water isn't wet either.

:rolleyes:

But Compromised is still compromised. 

 

Would you even care if Trump was running our foreign policy to please Putin? Honestly, would you give two thoughts about it? 

 

Most Trump supporters could care less. 

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4 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Trump is not even giving you a reach around, you believe him.

 

None of this is about Trump for me. Zero. I believe in evidence I can see for myself. Of which there are mountains available in open source to educate you.

 

But you refuse to engage with it - because you've made up your mind already, despite never reading evidence for yourself. You've put yourself gleefully in line with proven liars and criminals who have convinced you their sins (lying us into endless war, stripping our constitutional rights to privacy, due process, and speech) are preferable to the sins of Trump (who lied about consensual sex with playmates and porn stars - all of which happened years before he was in office). 

 

So keep sucking down what the establishment is selling (without evidence), and I'll keep calling you what you are: a conspiracy theorist incapable of thinking for himself.

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4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But Compromised is still compromised. 

 

Would you even care if Trump was running our foreign policy to please Putin? Honestly, would you give two thoughts about it? 

 

Most Trump supporters could care less. 

 

I would care. Deeply. 

 

All evidence of his actual policy shows he's done more to harm Putin's geopolitical goals rather than help him: 

 

1) Annihilated 200 Russian mercs in Syria

2) Armed Ukraine

3) Made peace with DPRK 

4) Strengthened ties with Israel and KSA which impacts Russian/Iranian goals in the ME

5) Leveled the heaviest sanctions on Putin cronies - even more than what Congress asked for

 

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