Trump and Russia

[Tiberius]

You should see a doctor about your drip, drip, drip.

 

Lol!!

[Tiberius]

 

 

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putins spokesman confirmed on Wednesday he had received an email in January last year from an adviser to Donald Trump about a Moscow real estate project, but said he had neither replied nor discussed it with Putin.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kremlin-we-received-trump-tower-email-did-not-respond_us_59a6b036e4b00795c2a2e8d9?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

 

Sure, sure.

[B-Man]

Fire coming from top of #russianconsulate In San Francisco............ What you guys burning ?

 

 

 

 

apnews.com/9549026d1ed946e98d5119c785f2a388 …

 

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Acrid, black smoke was seen pouring from a chimney at the Russian consulate in San Francisco Friday, a day after the Trump administration ordered its closure amid escalating tensions between the United States and Russia.

 

Firefighters who arrived at the scene were turned away by consulate officials who came from inside the building.

 

An Associated Press reporter heard people who came from inside the building tell firefighters that there was no problem and that consulate staff were burning unidentified items in a fireplace.

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[DC Tom]

Fire coming from top of #russianconsulate In San Francisco............ What you guys burning ?

 

 

 

 

apnews.com/9549026d1ed946e98d5119c785f2a388

 

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) Acrid, black smoke was seen pouring from a chimney at the Russian consulate in San Francisco Friday, a day after the Trump administration ordered its closure amid escalating tensions between the United States and Russia.

 

Firefighters who arrived at the scene were turned away by consulate officials who came from inside the building.

 

An Associated Press reporter heard people who came from inside the building tell firefighters that there was no problem and that consulate staff were burning unidentified items in a fireplace.

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Maybe they're electing an Antipope...

[grinreaper]

So, we are on bad terms with Russia. I thought the closing of buildings and ouster of diplomatic personnel had to do with Russia's supposed interference with our elections. As each day goes by it is appearing more and more likely that they didn't do anything more extensive than what they and others have always done. It is apparent that the DNC was not hacked but information was downloaded from one of their computers. The Russian hacking is a liberal mirage offered up as an excuse for Hillary's loss. It seems to me that the Democrats, in their desire to boost Hillary and hurt Trump, have with a great deal of negligence bordering on treason put us on a path to possible war. Go ahead liberals, refute that.

[row_33]

So Russia is dead as a topic after the hysteria for months on end? A fake concern over Charlottesville was put on so they could bury Russia without an explanation?

[grinreaper]

So Russia is dead as a topic after the hysteria for months on end? A fake concern over Charlottesville was put on so they could bury Russia without an explanation?

Could be, but I want liberals to dispute my post above. Either that or admit their claims have been false. Their heroes wear masks and throw bags of piss at people at the same time they beat people with bats, just for expressing their opinion.

[Tiberius]

So, we are on bad terms with Russia. I thought the closing of buildings and ouster of diplomatic personnel had to do with Russia's supposed interference with our elections. As each day goes by it is appearing more and more likely that they didn't do anything more extensive than what they and others have always done. It is apparent that the DNC was not hacked but information was downloaded from one of their computers. The Russian hacking is a liberal mirage offered up as an excuse for Hillary's loss. It seems to me that the Democrats, in their desire to boost Hillary and hurt Trump, have with a great deal of negligence bordering on treason put us on a path to possible war. Go ahead liberals, refute that.

Can I answer in bullet points? Thanks!

* the sanctions bill was majority Republican votes and super bi-partisan

* The intel agencies are not Liberals

* Russia interference in our election was a very serious issue that extended to at the very least a search into the software of computer systems from different companies that operate voting manchines. Did they switch votes?

* Not sure where you are getting the Russians didn't hack the DNC, but we know that Don Jr said the information the Russians have should be released late in the Summer, and that's when it was released.

* We also know there was collusion. The Don jr meeting was collusion

* We also know that Trump totally lied about Russian connections as he was trying to build a Trump Tower there

* Jared Kushner's meeting with Kremlin tied bank...Manafords existence...and more

[grinreaper]

Can I answer in bullet points? Thanks!

* the sanctions bill was majority Republican votes and super bi-partisan

* The intel agencies are not Liberals

* Russia interference in our election was a very serious issue that extended to at the very least a search into the software of computer systems from different companies that operate voting manchines. Did they switch votes?

* Not sure where you are getting the Russians didn't hack the DNC, but we know that Don Jr said the information the Russians have should be released late in the Summer, and that's when it was released.

* We also know there was collusion. The Don jr meeting was collusion

* We also know that Trump totally lied about Russian connections as he was trying to build a Trump Tower there

* Jared Kushner's meeting with Kremlin tied bank...Manafords existence...and more

You are a !@#$ing idiot, not worthy of my time spent refuting your made-up schit.

[row_33]

Tibs is a cartoon character, to be honestly this clueless a person would have to confuse toothpaste and Preparation H every day for years.

[B-Man]

Tibs is a cartoon character, to be honestly this clueless a person would have to confuse toothpaste and Preparation H every day for years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BACK TO THE THREAD....................

 

 

[B-Man]

ERIK WEMPLE IN THE WASHINGTON POST: NBC News whiffs on Russiagate story.

FTA:

“We begin with exclusive reporting tonight from NBC News on the Russia investigation, and that now infamous meeting at Trump Tower last summer, the one between Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, a Russian lawyer and multiple other Russian figures,” said anchor Katy Tur Thursday afternoon on MSNBC. “Two sources tell NBC News that Manafort’s smartphone notes from the meeting included the words ‘donations’ in close proximity to the reference to the Republican National Committee.”

The scoop was the handiwork of NBC News’s Ken Dilanian and Carol E. Lee. And it didn’t take long to unravel. Having first posted at 1:55 p.m. Thursday, it acquired this appendage about four hours later:

CORRECTION (Aug. 31, 6:30 p.m.): An earlier version of this article used an incorrect quotation in describing Paul Manafort’s notes. According to a spokesman for Sen. Charles E. Grassley, whose committee staff has reviewed them, the notes did not include the word “donation.” A source who provided the information said the notes used a word that referenced political contributions, and another source said the notes used the word “donor.”

 

 

Fragments of documents don’t much help the public understand the workings of government and politicians. We’ve seen this problem in reporting on Benghazi and other public dust-ups.

The Erik Wemple Blog doesn’t make donations to the RNC. Look: We just made a reference to “donations” in “close proximity” to “RNC”!

[B-Man]

SO THAT NBC NEWS THING WAS JUST A FAKE-NEWS HIT PIECE:

 

Notes from meeting with Russians said not to be damaging to Trump family.

[Deranged Rhino]

SO THAT NBC NEWS THING WAS JUST A FAKE-NEWS HIT PIECE:

 

Notes from meeting with Russians said not to be damaging to Trump family.

 

They were just following orders.

[Nanker]

 

They were just following orders.

From the ANTIPRES movement.

[Deranged Rhino]

From the ANTIPRES movement.

 

Antipres movement, or the USIC ... tomato/tom-ah-to.

[Deranged Rhino]

Some expounding on my last comment: Here's a few CIA memos from 1984 discussing how to combat leaks in the press (which is ironic considering the leaks now are coming from within the USIC and being used with intent and purpose - showing how this has evolved since 1984):

 

Excerpts from 1984 CIA memo: (My comments in bold)

 

"4. We can just accept the idea that the media have an unlimited license to hunt and publish, that the public has an unlimited right to know, that government secrets are fair prey for media watch-dogs, that the First Amendment inhibits any restraints, and that the proper, democratic relation between government and media is adversarial. Conversely, we can quietly observe that absolute power corrupts absolutely, that the power of the media to publish in this country is nearly absolute, that other people besides the media have the job of promoting the general welfare and providing for the common defense, and that the freedom of the media among others hangs directly on the success of those people. Also, as officers of CIA we can bear personal witness to the massive cost -- in cancelled programs, in lost opportunities, in opposition countermeasures and in threats to (loss of-?) life -- that media exposure has brought. More, we can cite precise parallels in methods and results, if not in motivations, between the media's attempts to penetrate us and our opposition's attempts to do the same. Maybe we have an obligation as citizens and taxpayers with knowledge that is important to the nation's welfare to give voice to our fears.

 

5. The Agency's posture toward the media is basically defensive, reactive and tongue-tied. What we say is: "no comment"; "that disclosure was wrong and outrageous." Next we wring our hands, send emissaries out to brief key people in the Administration and Congress and correct the record, then hunker back awaiting the next blow. Maybe it's time for an offense as well as a defense and an attempt to get things in better balance. Here are some personal thoughts as to do's and don'ts on this score.

 

DON'T

 

* Don't believe we should or can, frontally attack the concepts listed at the start of paragraph 4 (notice, they don't say they SHOULDN'T attack our first amendment rights, just that they shouldn't/can't do so obviously... that alone should be chilling)

 

* Don't announce a program to curb the media's excesses.

 

* Don't expect much help from Congress in the way of legislation, e.g.l an Official Secrets Act.

 

... (snipped)

 

DO

 

* Remember that the organization (CIA) has official contacts with influential people outside the COmmunity -- people in leadership posts in this society; academia and the media included; and remember that we undoubtedly have in the organization many who know such people unofficially and who could help to provide access if needed. (sound familiar?)

 

* Remember that restraint of the press is not per se undemocratic. The British and Israeli examples come to mind. So does our own press' self-restraint in time of war. Freedom of speech and of the press are not absolute concepts. (another one that should be alarming to all - especially in light of the "war on terror" and the use of perma-war to curtail press and speech)

 

* The media have owners, Board of Directors, managing editors et al. (We had some success for a while in saving off - REDACTED). The best tack, I think, would be to go to them, state our problem and ask whether there are any situations, short of war, where they would be willing to exercise self-restraint and, if so, to solicit their advice in developing some rules of reason. For example, would it be possible to appoint some authority of sufficient stature (e.g., a Board of ex-Presidents) that the media would trust it on matters of national security? One thing that shouldn't be omitted from such a session with the media brass -- examples of how they've had their cord pulled by disinformation and by charlatans.

 

* We have periodic sessions with college and university presidents, some of them undoubtedly with schools of journalism. Why miss the chance of putting our case in these forums as well? The result might well be a challenge to the practice of publishing indiscriminately whatever an investigative reporter can come up with. And, given some curriculum changes, the next generation of reporters might show some elevation of ethics."

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88B00443R001500080042-1.pdf

 

Then there's this agenda, with some startling items listed:

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88B00443R000100290001-2.pdf

 

Put all of this into the barrel with Mockingbird and you start to get a glimpse of how controlled the United States Media actually is in our modern world by the USIC.

 

Finally, some rational thinking to share:

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Update on the VIPs memo - the authors of the report have compiled a new report, much more extensive with more forensic data, and submitted it to all the relevant agencies and Mueller and his team.

 

http://g-2.space/deciders/

 

(This is a response to the heat the Nation took for their article, also worth the read) http://g-2.space/thenation/

 

I also highly recommend those interested checking out Binney and McGovern's presentation on the report in the Deep State thread. It was a YouTube livestream last week, adds a lot more support to their findings.

 

Forget everything else about the Russia fiasco - if this new report (which has yet to be released) says what they're hinting it does, the intentional misleading of the public by the USIC should outrage everyone. Regardless of political affiliation. This isn't about politics, it never has been. This is about whether or not we wish to live in an actual democratic republic or if we wish to continue to play make believe about the peoples' say in governance.

 

Today of all days we should remember what we've given up in the name of perma-war, and a liberty crushing national surveillance state. If this turns out to be as bad as it looks, the only way there will be any change is if we drop the partisan bickering for one moment to come together and say "enough".

[Tiberius]

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/350040-russian-pol-us-intelligence-missed-it-while-russian-intelligence-stole

 

On a Sunday panel show, a Russian politician said U.S. “intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States.”

Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Russian parliamentary body, the Duma, made the remarks on the panel show “Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov.”

The focus of the episode was the decline of U.S. power in the world. In that context, said University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch via email, Nikonov was less stating the extent of Russia's involvement in the 2016 election, and more mocking the resulting chaos as emblematic of U.S. weakness.

 

[Keukasmallies]

Hill'ry told USA Today that she's convinced that Trump worked with the Russians to steal the election.

 

God, will that woman ever ever just go home and let us be? Make some cookies for the grands if nothing else, but please get out of the public view for Jesus (Hay sus) sake.

 

Enough, old woman, enough!!

Edited September 12, 2017 by Keukasmallies