PromoTheRobot Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I really don't get the tank talk. This isn't the NHL where one guy can make that much of a difference right away. You can't believe anything you read about the Bills plans moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 You would think wouldn't you Thurman? I'm still not understanding really how $40m for 2 years for a bridge QB is anything other than foolish. And before people say "it's not $40m for 2 years..." okay well the alternative is $30m for one year. And that is all despite my gut saying "don't make yourself intentionally worse at Quarterback." Now the people who think Tyrod is better than a bridge I have respect for that view. I don't agree with it necessarily but I see it. The people who don't think he is better than a low end game manager and bridge Quarterback but still want to keep him in case the alternative is a couple of wins worse in 2017? Yea I don't understand them at all. Some folks love, and I do mean love, 7-9, 8-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 We should have drafted him even though he's not in the NFL. Was running by me so fast I couldn't make out the name on the jersey. He would have been a good pick but I think the knee issues dropped him a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 This thread makes zero logical sense. If "the Bills" intentionally tank... The Pegulas are included in "the Bills", that means they would be on-board with the strategy and expect to lose, and Doug and McDermott would get a pass. Ah, the offseason. This is gonna be a long one. BUT, what if we try to tank, and accidentally win the Super Bowl? We'd have to fire him then for sure, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 BUT, what if we try to tank, and accidentally win the Super Bowl? We'd have to fire him then for sure, right? Hey, that would work for me! I really think as a Bills fan I trust blind luck more than the strategy coming from One Bills Drive to get us out of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 And where did it Say Whaley has control over the Gameday Roster People really. EJ Gone Taylor - likely want back but on a different contract So Cardale starting stuff is LEVERAGE and keeping the possible well Bills are taking a QB immediately stuff tampered a little. What you want Whaley to think. Well Cardale sucks so lets put that leak out there so Taylor keeps all leverage. Comeon people This and everyone's assuming we draft someone at 10 if taylor walks. Possibly a smokescreen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I really don't get the tank talk. This isn't the NHL where one guy can make that much of a difference right away. It's stupid talk. You've got 4-5 years to build a solid 53 man roster if you tank. Look how long it's taken the Sabres and they're still a ways away with a 20 man roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 We should have drafted him even though he's not in the NFL. Ajayi retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 If the Bills tank, Whaley probably has more time, otherwise why would he tank? Kirby, you are always the voice of reason. You should get your own thread. We sometimes disagree but you are respectful in your opinions and consider other opinions/thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Start Cardale. Tank guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 I can guarantee you that you're wrong. Trading Dareus causes the team to take a $33M cap hit...do people really STILL not understand how the cap works? unreal that your so concerned in bashing me you dont know how to read and example, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Some folks love, and I do mean love, 7-9, 8-8. Theyve been loving it for 17 years. Why would they change now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm on board with this. The defense is to stacked to be doing a tank with Cardale starting, if this is his guy. DW is a waste of GM imo. Just say no to the tank. perfect, I can get rid of Whaley and get my QB, sweet, Tank on!! I really don't get the tank talk. This isn't the NHL where one guy can make that much of a difference right away. One guy can when its a franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I can't see going thru a Brown's type tank, just too painful. Just keep looking for a QB without trading up . There must be another Dak, Kirk and Carr out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 This is a perfect yr for a reload/Semi Tank. The schedule is brutal facing the NFC SOUTH & AFC WEST even if we are all in this offseason with the lack of salary space and draft pks I can't see the Bills winning more then 6gms. We can easily go 2-4 in East, 2-6 against the west & south and split against the Colts and Bengals. We ain't going to the playoffs next yr. This gives us a chance to cut salary and build in the image of McDermott vision of this team. With that being said we can trade/Cut the fat on this team. Let all big free agents go Woods, Lorex, Gilmore and Zack hopefully these loses net us a few high comp pks next yr. I'm thinking a 3rd , 4th and 5th at least. Don't make any signings that can effect the comp formula. I would also try to trade both Incog and Wood if I can get mid rd pks for them trade them if not keep them. Resign both Groy and Kujo to extensions. With Cordy,Cujo,Miller and Groy u have a young nucleus for a good Oline. I would also trade McCoy and Tyrod for multiple pks. On the defensive side of the ball keep your D line intact with exception of Kyle trade him for mid rder. Draft heavily on the bk 7. With all the pks we will compile we should find some young studs to fill out those spots at LB and Secondary. The Bills have built the team the wrong way from day one. We are close to the cap and have nothing to show for it. We need to get our cap in order while developing young talent. It's time to set our sights on the 20's since the teens haven't been good for us. Time to get ready to be in position to take over the East when Brady retires. This organization needs a vision of the future not a bandaid for today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I really don't get the tank talk. This isn't the NHL where one guy can make that much of a difference right away. If by right away you mean 8 years to squeak into the 8 seed then you are right. Otherwise you must be Tim Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 No tanking will take place. God, you can tell this is the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) This is a perfect yr for a reload/Semi Tank. The schedule is brutal facing the NFC SOUTH & AFC WEST even if we are all in this offseason with the lack of salary space and draft pks I can't see the Bills winning more then 6gms. We can easily go 2-4 in East, 2-6 against the west & south and split against the Colts and Bengals. We ain't going to the playoffs next yr. This gives us a chance to cut salary and build in the image of McDermott vision of this team. With that being said we can trade/Cut the fat on this team. Let all big free agents go Woods, Lorex, Gilmore and Zack hopefully these loses net us a few high comp pks next yr. I'm thinking a 3rd , 4th and 5th at least. Don't make any signings that can effect the comp formula. I would also try to trade both Incog and Wood if I can get mid rd pks for them trade them if not keep them. Resign both Groy and Kujo to extensions. With Cordy,Cujo,Miller and Groy u have a young nucleus for a good Oline. I would also trade McCoy and Tyrod for multiple pks. On the defensive side of the ball keep your D line intact with exception of Kyle trade him for mid rder. Draft heavily on the bk 7. With all the pks we will compile we should find some young studs to fill out those spots at LB and Secondary. The Bills have built the team the wrong way from day one. We are close to the cap and have nothing to show for it. We need to get our cap in order while developing young talent. It's time to set our sights on the 20's since the teens haven't been good for us. Time to get ready to be in position to take over the East when Brady retires. This organization needs a vision of the future not a bandaid for today.. Don't think Kyle is a trade option. If he gets the sense they don't want him back in Buffalo he will retire. Also just do not see trading Tyrod as an option. Who is going to take him on knowing that they have the option hanging around their neck? Only a team who believes he can be the answer.... not a short term option.... the answer. I don't see one, so I think you have to release him. On the rest.... there is an argument for not taking up any of our UFAs and try and fill the spots with short term deals for guys that are cut (thereby don't affect the comp pick formula). There is also an argument for trading Shady.... I think he'd still have value but you are talking a 3rd absolute maximum, more likely a 4th or 5th rounder. I see no trade market at all for Incognito or Wood. I don't know why you would trade them anyway..... trading them is a tank. They don't do any longer term disservice to your cap position beyond this year so you keep them on the team. Just thinking about what that plan leaves you with pre-draft: LT: Kujo LG: Cog C: Wood / Groy RG: Miller RT: Glenn RB: Gillislee FB: ? TE: Clay WR1: Watkins WR2: Listenbee WR3: ? QB: Jones ----------------------- DE: Lawson DT: Dareus DT: Williams DE: Hughes SLB: Ragland MLB: P.Brown WLB: ? CB1: Darby CB2: Seymour CBN: Robey-Coleman S: Graham S: Williams (?) Edited February 16, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Don't think Kyle is a trade option. If he gets the sense they don't want him back in Buffalo he will retire. Also just do not see trading Tyrod as an option. Who is going to take him on knowing that they have the option hanging around their neck? Only a team who believes he can be the answer.... not a short term option.... the answer. I don't see one, so I think you have to release him. On the rest.... there is an argument for not taking up any of our UFAs and try and fill the spots with short term deals for guys that are cut (thereby don't affect the comp pick formula). There is also an argument for trading Shady.... I think he'd still have value but you are talking a 3rd absolute maximum, more likely a 4th or 5th rounder. I see no trade market at all for Incognito or Wood. I don't know why you would trade them anyway..... trading them is a tank. They don't do any longer term disservice to your cap position beyond this year so you keep them on the team. Just thinking about what that plan leaves you with pre-draft: LT: Kujo LG: Cog C: Wood / Groy RG: Miller RT: Glenn RB: Gillislee FB: ? TE: Clay WR1: Watkins WR2: Listenbee WR3: ? QB: Jones ----------------------- DE: Lawson DT: Dareus DT: Williams DE: Hughes SLB: Ragland MLB: P.Brown WLB: ? CB1: Darby CB2: Seymour CBN: Robey-Coleman S: Graham S: Williams (?) Kyle might want to go to a team ready to win right away we can get a 4th for him easily. As far as Tyrod is concerned his deal isn't bad and there is plenty of teams that might just want to cut out the competition and give up a 3rd for him. Cory Graham should be cut also but might be a good veteran to keep around to teach the young guys. Basically the schedule is already tough enough I would draft Mahomes in 2nd rd and make him compete against C Jones for the Job. Throw him in the ocean and see if he can swim. We need to rebuild this team. Who are we protecting here? We are against the cap with no franchise caliber players. That's a big problem I can't see why not alot of people see it this way here Btw we fill out our roster with best available players in draft plus with the holes we have we can get some good undrafted players to sign with us. McDermott has a reputation for developing defensive players let him help pk his guys. Bring in some character guys that play hard and work hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Kyle might want to go to a team ready to win right away we can get a 4th for him easily. As far as Tyrod is concerned his deal isn't bad and there is plenty of teams that might just want to cut out the competition and give up a 3rd for him. Cory Graham should be cut also but might be a good veteran to keep around to teach the young guys. Basically the schedule is already tough enough I would draft Mahomes in 2nd rd and make him compete against C Jones for the Job. Throw him in the ocean and see if he can swim. We need to rebuild this team. Who are we protecting here? We are against the cap with no franchise caliber players. That's a big problem I can't see why not alot of people see it this way here If you think you are getting a 4th for Kyle Williams you are mad. A 33 year old defensive tackle on a 1 year $6.3m deal (cos the Bills would have to eat the signing bonus).... nobody is giving up anything for that. If you were really lucky a team might chuck a 7th your way (maybe someone who gets a 7th round comp pick) but more likely anyone interested just waits for you to release him. I repeat as well that I don't think Kyle wants to start anew in a different city at his age. If he doesn't play in Buffalo next year my guess is he doesn't play at all. I'd love to think that Tyrod Taylor is worth a 3rd round pick.... but with the way the current deal is structured I don't see who goes there. Maybe San Fran?? Possibly... they are so far away that they could take up the option and say "we will ride with Tyrod for two years while we rebuild he is an upgrade on what we have and then when we are ready to compete in 2019 we will move on." I don't know if Shanahan would have an interest but beyond them I can't think of anyone. I'm not protecting anybody, I am trying to live in the world of reality where in the NFL veteran players do not have great trade value and the majority of trades are for 5th round picks or lower and are often swapping picks (we will give you player x and a 6th for your 5th). As for no franchise players.... I disagree. We definitely have a franchise left tackle. Cordy Glenn may even be at the stage where he is underrated on this board. We have a franchise player in Dareus (albeit a totally unreliable personality) and we have for me a franchise type corner that your strategy wants to let go and a franchise receiver about to go into his 4th year. Those are 4 of the top 5 players on this team in my opinion (Shady being the other). And I am not saying you are mad for wanting to let Gilmore walk. I can see the logic to your position that you don't spend capital trying to keep the UFAs this year and you use it as a mini-reset. It just isn't the NHL here.... you can't get to teams to throw picks at you as you dump old experienced assets. If you want an example go look at Evan Mathis a couple of years ago. Was still a top guard in the NFL but getting up there in age and Philly wanted his $$s off the books. They hawked him about for a trade and nobody bit. Your decision with those guys is keep them or release them - and you only release them if that brings you some benefit. Edited February 16, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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