Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 He told of how he was on the Bills when they dumped Bledsoe and went with Losman. He went on to say that the best players on the team were furious and virtually quit on the team. They knew that there was no chance to win with Losman. He also said that players such as Incog, Glenn, Wood, and others would do the same if Whaley cuts Tyrod and goes with CJ. He went on to list several dumb moves by Whaley (letting go of Hogan, drafting EJ Manuel and other stupid moves). He is NOT impressed with Whaley, nor am I. I guess any time a Bills Fan thinks that it can't get worse with this team, reality smacks us in the face. I for one hope that we keep Tyrod and fire Whaley, who is a rank amateur and a sub-par joke of a GM. I do however hope that he keeps us posted with fashion tips. He sure knows how to dress (and destroy a football team). GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FireChan Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 He told of how he was on the Bills when they dumped Bledsoe and went with Losman. He went on to say that the best players on the team were furious and virtually quit on the team. They knew that there was no chance to win with Losman. He also said that players such as Incog, Glenn, Wood, and others would do the same if Whaley cuts Tyrod and goes with CJ. He went on to list several dumb moves by Whaley (letting go of Hogan, drafting EJ Manuel and other stupid moves). He is NOT impressed with Whaley, nor am I. I guess any time a Bills Fan thinks that it can't get worse with this team, reality smacks us in the face. I for one hope that we keep Tyrod and fire Whaley, who is a rank amateur and a sub-par joke of a GM. I do however hope that he keeps us posted with fashion tips. He sure knows how to dress (and destroy a football team). GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you could see Kyle retire if TT goes. That's a really great point.
Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 I think you could see Kyle retire if TT goes. That's a really great point. Yes, I think so too. He also pointed out (as did Carrucci) how Tyrod's contract is not at all excessive and that the LAST thing Tyrod should ever do is take a pay cut.
LeGOATski Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Yeah, Tyrod doesnt need to take a pay cut. Letting go of Hogan was nothing. I feel like people are overreacting to that simply because he made some good plays with the Pats.
Captain_Quint Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 But if we cut Tyrod and go with Jones, its a rebuild at that point, because no one thinks CJ gives us the best chance at winning games next season. I think that if we see TT cut, the message to the team is clear: See whoever is left in 2018. Because we arent in a position to 'win now' without Tyrod (and most feel that we arent even if we keep him, but its our best shot). The slim hope would be a rookie QB who steps in and kills it. But as you said, most of the Vets will have checked out by that point (and what are the odds Whaley picks him?)
jr1 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 James White was the second leading receiver on the Pats. Brady must not be able to "read the defense"
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Yeah, Tyrod doesnt need to take a pay cut. Letting go of Hogan was nothing. I feel like people are overreacting to that simply because he made some good plays with the Pats. Putting the low tender on him turned out to be a poor decision.........the Bills WR corps was an utter mess this season.......to the point where they had to beg Percy Harvin out of retirement. Hogan is not exceptional but he is a nice downfield receiver........his skillset meshed well with Taylor's strength as a deep ball thrower. They missed Hogan this season.....Watkins and Hogan had been the entire deep ball game in 2015 and not having those guys killed his ypa.......dropping from 8 to 6.9. But I wasn't against passing on matching the Patriots long term contract once the horse had left the barn, so to speak.
machine gun kelly Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Bill - I'm Dan from Tampa on that show and you must have heard my rant. I also added on an e-mail, to him Hogan had. Hurt wrist last year he kept hidden. I've never been negative on Whaley, but I'm getting there. Ross and Booger were laughing at me adding to how stupid this decision is for the team. We have to hope McDermitt exemplifies some common sense.
Beef Jerky Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Don't give a ****, either win or get the !@#$ out. !@#$ing quit on a team like a dirtbag, you deserve to be permanently injured.
Pbomb Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 If they arent gonna try because of who is qb maybe they shouldnt be on the bills then or the nfl for that matter. I doubt it is only whaleys decision who is gonna be qb also.
Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 Bill - I'm Dan from Tampa on that show and you must have heard my rant. I also added on an e-mail, to him Hogan had. Hurt wrist last year he kept hidden. I've never been negative on Whaley, but I'm getting there. Ross and Booger were laughing at me adding to how stupid this decision is for the team. We have to hope McDermitt exemplifies some common sense. Nice job Brother!
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 He told of how he was on the Bills when they dumped Bledsoe and went with Losman. He went on to say that the best players on the team were furious and virtually quit on the team. They knew that there was no chance to win with Losman. He also said that players such as Incog, Glenn, Wood, and others would do the same if Whaley cuts Tyrod and goes with CJ. He went on to list several dumb moves by Whaley (letting go of Hogan, drafting EJ Manuel and other stupid moves). He is NOT impressed with Whaley, nor am I. I guess any time a Bills Fan thinks that it can't get worse with this team, reality smacks us in the face. I for one hope that we keep Tyrod and fire Whaley, who is a rank amateur and a sub-par joke of a GM. I do however hope that he keeps us posted with fashion tips. He sure knows how to dress (and destroy a football team). GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I saw Ross Tucker in your title I knew what the story was going to be about. He's been vocal about the Bledsoe canning for a long time.......not the first time he brought it up. And he's right.......it was a risky move by an arrogant GM.....and though the decision was fairly well received initially because many fans were furious with Bledsoe......it caused a chain reaction that lead to Donahoe's firing and Mularkey quitting and ushering in the true "dark ages" of Bills fandom......Levy/Jauron/Brandon/Nix/Gailey. I will say this as well........back then.......the Bills were 5 years removed from being a SB contender.........so it was a little easier to sell a "step back" to hopefully go two steps forward. That is NOT the case here.........turning the culture of losing around is extremely important. Tanking doesn't guarantee success.......and the best organizations in the NFL......NE, Pitt, GB.....never tanked to get where they are.
Estelle Getty Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I feel like Ross tells the JP Losman story everyday.
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 He told of how he was on the Bills when they dumped Bledsoe and went with Losman. He went on to say that the best players on the team were furious and virtually quit on the team. They knew that there was no chance to win with Losman. He also said that players such as Incog, Glenn, Wood, and others would do the same if Whaley cuts Tyrod and goes with CJ. He went on to list several dumb moves by Whaley (letting go of Hogan, drafting EJ Manuel and other stupid moves). He is NOT impressed with Whaley, nor am I. I guess any time a Bills Fan thinks that it can't get worse with this team, reality smacks us in the face. I for one hope that we keep Tyrod and fire Whaley, who is a rank amateur and a sub-par joke of a GM. I do however hope that he keeps us posted with fashion tips. He sure knows how to dress (and destroy a football team). GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I actually like Whaley, but I think Whaley would be making a colossal mistake letting TT go this year. He is going to lose the support of the vets like you said because it will a signal of blowing it up and rebuilding rather than looking to get this team to the next step. This team was one of the top scoring teams in the NFL with TT at the helm and while dealing with critical injuries to our best playmakers on offense. I just can't see how the best direction of this team is abandoning TT for a raw Cardale who didn't show anything close to ready in week 17, or a QB in this marginal QB class at best. In a speculative note as well...the possibility of being able to trade up next year for a guy like Sam from USC could be in play. I mean looking across the NFL, the odds are someone like Cleveland or SF will probably end up with the first pick next year anyway, those rosters are pretty bad...but both are expected to go after a QB of the future in this draft (Cleveland I think actually fills it with Jimmy G). So trading up to their pick could be feasible (although expensive) and they may not be looking to grab a QB just like how the Rams traded out of their pick to Washington for RG3 because they felt they had their guy of the future already. Bottom line: If the Bills take a QB in first 2 rounds and have gotten rid of Taylor...i will hate the decision. But, that being said, I will root for the kid hard to succeed and prove the move worthy...unlike others around here who just root for certain players to fail so they can be right about their agenda.
LA Grant Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 This team doesn't seem like it's been operating under a consistent blueprint under Whaley. Are we pushing for playoffs or are we rebuilding? Each year it seems to be a little of both and each year we end up somewhere in the middle. If this comes to pass, then it makes all of Whaley's QB choices highly questionable. The only ones that have somewhat worked out are Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor and both were clearly Coach recruitments. Kolb, EJ, Thad, Tuel, Cassel, Cardale — how much can you expect a team to win with a guy like that as your starter?
BmarvB Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Yeah, Tyrod doesnt need to take a pay cut. Letting go of Hogan was nothing. I feel like people are overreacting to that simply because he made some good plays with the Pats. Yep. Hogan is a decent WR, and playing with Brady can make him look like a superstar, but let's not make too much of that. He's not a future HOFer. As for TT, no way in hell should he take a pay cut. He's the team's best option for winning now. We didn't miss the playoffs because of him, we missed because of the Ryan brothers destroying a championship caliber defense.
kota Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 It's real easy to point out the bad moves that Whaley did. What about all of the good he has done? Drafting EJ wasn't a bad move at the time. He was the top rated QB we needed one. He didn't work out move on. AT least we didn't give away 3 picks to get him. We actually traded down and got Kiko who gave us Mccoy. Hell Whaley gave us TT. All the fanboys out there should be in love with Whaley. Finding a QB isn't easy. Anyone outside of the playoffs and Houston are still looking. In my opinion the only thing that Whaley has done wrong is by not putting his foot in the ground when it came to Rex. Story out there was that he wanted Hugh Jackson. He got overruled. At some point he had to say ok lets get Rex. Sometimes when it comes to a job. The NFL isn't any different you do what your boss says even if you don't agree. Personally i think part of the reason why Whaley wasn't fired was that he was correct on some level about Rex which had to have resonated with Terry P.
Bill from NYC Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 And he's right.......it was a risky move by an arrogant GM.....and though the decision was fairly well received initially because many fans were furious with Bledsoe......it caused a chain reaction that lead to Donahoe's firing and Mularkey quitting and ushering in the true "dark ages" of Bills fandom......Levy/Jauron/Brandon/Nix/Gailey."True dark ages." Indeed. Watching these men destroy the team was painful, but being at games with you and others at Lot 1/Pole 4 eased the pain. The best part of rooting for the Bills (imo) was always the interaction with other fans. Btw, I do not for one second rate Whaley above the people you listed above. This team has major holes, isn't in great shape wrt the cap, overpays decent and or/players with major issues, has qb issues, faces a tough schedule, and is low on draft picks. Only Bills Fans are loyal enough people to support a disgrace such as Whaley. Jmo.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 It's real easy to point out the bad moves that Whaley did. What about all of the good he has done? Drafting EJ wasn't a bad move at the time. He was the top rated QB we needed one. He didn't work out move on. AT least we didn't give away 3 picks to get him. We actually traded down and got Kiko who gave us Mccoy. Hell Whaley gave us TT. All the fanboys out there should be in love with Whaley. Finding a QB isn't easy. Anyone outside of the playoffs and Houston are still looking. In my opinion the only thing that Whaley has done wrong is by not putting his foot in the ground when it came to Rex. Story out there was that he wanted Hugh Jackson. He got overruled. At some point he had to say ok lets get Rex. Sometimes when it comes to a job. The NFL isn't any different you do what your boss says even if you don't agree. Personally i think part of the reason why Whaley wasn't fired was that he was correct on some level about Rex which had to have resonated with Terry P. By most experts he really wasn't, but apparently he was to our guys! Mayock had him 41st overall, 2nd QB (link) Walter Football (yeah, I know) had him 85th overall, 6th QB (link) NFLDraftScout didn't have him in their top 100, which included 7 other QBs (link) Dan Kadar had him 99th overall, 7th QB (link)
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