Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 If he is obviously better than EJ, then he still would have been made #2. They would have been naming him to the roster as backup and not dressing EJ. I think that the thought was EJ can finish the game. They want to put Cardale in position to succeed. If it would have been multiple weeks they would have gotten CJ ready to play. They didn't want to have to play him yet but they knew EJ was a scrub.
jeffismagic Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I think that the thought was EJ can finish the game. They want to put Cardale in position to succeed. If it would have been multiple weeks they would have gotten CJ ready to play. They didn't want to have to play him yet but they knew EJ was a scrub. Exactly. The Bills decided before the year started the pecking order. Tyrod starter, EJ backup, Cardale developmental QB that would never dress.
billieve420 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 If this is the route they decide to go wouldn't totally be against it. If you are not going to pay Taylor. I would be in favor of signing veteran QB to back up Cardale like McCown. If we bottom out in 2017 we are in good shape to land top QB in 2018 draft. We could still draft a QB in 2017 but not in the 1st rd. However, if they decide to do this they need to be all in and that means blowing up team. Letting Gilmore walk and cutting some high priced veteran players like Graham, Woods, Williams both Kyle and Aaron, etc...
Gugny Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 It's time to tank. Spending significant money on a QB who can't help the team win more than 8 games is a waste of time and money. Throw Cardale in there. Hope for the best, but gladly accept the worst. This makes Whaley smart, in my opinion.
CanadianFan Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 What's next? Vic Carucci heard Ralph Wilson has risen from the dead and Jim Kelly found the fountain of youth and gives Cardale competition? This is too stupid even for Whaley haters.
RyanC883 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) not a terrible idea if you consider all the other QB's out there to be nothing more than 8 game winners. This saves a ton of money and surrounds a "rookie" QB with good weapons, perhaps keeps the D intact and adds at WR and OL. If he fails, you could draft Sam Darnold in 2018. Edited February 11, 2017 by RyanC883
nucci Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 If this is the route they decide to go wouldn't totally be against it. If you are not going to pay Taylor. I would be in favor of signing veteran QB to back up Cardale like McCown. If we bottom out in 2017 we are in good shape to land top QB in 2018 draft. We could still draft a QB in 2017 but not in the 1st rd. However, if they decide to do this they need to be all in and that means blowing up team. Letting Gilmore walk and cutting some high priced veteran players like Graham, Woods, Williams both Kyle and Aaron, etc... Good, we can continue to suck for 5 more years......outstanding
jeffismagic Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 It's time to tank. Spending significant money on a QB who can't help the team win more than 8 games is a waste of time and money. Throw Cardale in there. Hope for the best, but gladly accept the worst. This makes Whaley smart, in my opinion. Draft Chad Kelly and sell fans on the QB battle in training camp.
PolishDave Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I think that the thought was EJ can finish the game. They want to put Cardale in position to succeed. If it would have been multiple weeks they would have gotten CJ ready to play. They didn't want to have to play him yet but they knew EJ was a scrub. I think you are inventing a scenario to fit your opinion of Cardale. Seems incredibly obvious to me that Cardale wasn't outperforming anybody. If he had been, the coaches surely would have moved him up a notch to number 2. It is crazy to think otherwise. No we can't play him because we just drafted him and he's not supposed to be ready yet? How absurd is that? You don't think the coaches and Whaley would have been happy to announce Cardale is progressing faster than we thought and has earned the move to number 2. Then we could realistically think he might have a legit shot at being a starter this year. Coaches and GM would be very happy to start a draft guy sooner if he was outplaying the other guy(s). Ridiculous to think otherwise. Oh, he is playing too well in practice. We better not let him play in a real game. Think about how ridiculous that sounds.
nucci Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 It's time to tank. Spending significant money on a QB who can't help the team win more than 8 games is a waste of time and money. Throw Cardale in there. Hope for the best, but gladly accept the worst. This makes Whaley smart, in my opinion. The Buffalo sports mentality.....let's keep losing....maybe we'll win one day
jeffismagic Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I think you are inventing a scenario to fit your opinion of Cardale. Seems incredibly obvious to me that Cardale wasn't outperforming anybody. If he had been, the coaches surely would have moved him up a notch to number 2. It is crazy to think otherwise. No we can't play him because we just drafted him and he's not supposed to be ready yet? How absurd is that? You don't think the coaches and Whaley would have been happy to announce Cardale is progressing faster than we thought and has earned the move to number 2. Then we could realistically think he might have a legit shot at being a starter this year. Coaches and GM would be very happy to start a draft guy sooner if he was outplaying the other guy(s). Ridiculous to think otherwise. Oh, he is playing too well in practice. We better not let him play in a real game. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. I have no opinion on Cardale other than what we saw last. He did not look ready.
PolishDave Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I have no opinion on Cardale other than what we saw last. He did not look ready. I didn't quote you bro. I quoted Kirby.
Gugny Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 The Buffalo sports mentality.....let's keep losing....maybe we'll win one day Actually, the mentality is .... let's keep hovering around .500 ... maybe we'll win one day. That hasn't worked for the last 17 years. We should try something different.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) I think you are inventing a scenario to fit your opinion of Cardale. Seems incredibly obvious to me that Cardale wasn't outperforming anybody. If he had been, the coaches surely would have moved him up a notch to number 2. It is crazy to think otherwise. No we can't play him because we just drafted him and he's not supposed to be ready yet? How absurd is that? You don't think the coaches and Whaley would have been happy to announce Cardale is progressing faster than we thought and has earned the move to number 2. Then we could realistically think he might have a legit shot at being a starter this year. Coaches and GM would be very happy to start a draft guy sooner if he was outplaying the other guy(s). Ridiculous to think otherwise. Oh, he is playing too well in practice. We better not let him play in a real game. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. Not really, teams do that all of the time. It's not uncommon that the vet finishes the game and the young guy plays for weeks. The Texans kind of did it with Tom Savage (although he entered during a game). You don't put the rookie in to finish a game. You give him a week to prepare. If he isn't ready you start the vet and try again the next week. This isn't uncommon at all in the NFL. The staff knew EJ sucked. He wasn't going to be the answer in an extended absence of TT. They would have rolled Cardale out and let him sink or swim. Edited February 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
jeffismagic Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Actually, the mentality is .... let's keep hovering around .500 ... maybe we'll win one day. That hasn't worked for the last 17 years. We should try something different. I would love to compete for a playoff spot and win games. But when I look at this roster do I see a 9-7 or 10-6 team. No. “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” Sun Tzu
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I think you are inventing a scenario to fit your opinion of Cardale. Seems incredibly obvious to me that Cardale wasn't outperforming anybody. If he had been, the coaches surely would have moved him up a notch to number 2. It is crazy to think otherwise. No we can't play him because we just drafted him and he's not supposed to be ready yet? How absurd is that? You don't think the coaches and Whaley would have been happy to announce Cardale is progressing faster than we thought and has earned the move to number 2. Then we could realistically think he might have a legit shot at being a starter this year. Coaches and GM would be very happy to start a draft guy sooner if he was outplaying the other guy(s). Ridiculous to think otherwise. Oh, he is playing too well in practice. We better not let him play in a real game. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. With Tyrod playing well enough to keep us in the playoff race into December (and healthy), what would have been the benefit of announcing that Cardale has surpassed EJ on the depth chart? When has a similar situation happened, ever? I have very little with which to base my opinion of CJ, just like you, but to say he's no good because the team didn't officially promote him to #2 is just absurd, IMO.
Meathead Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Carucci used to be a reputable reporter. Now he's just a hack. seriously. he has fallen totally off the cliff of credibility. its sad to see someone who used to be so good fall so far. its like hes losing his mind serious question: how old is he? is there any chance hes developing early dementia? im not even joking, something seems wrong that he can turn so completely in the other direction from where he used to be
papazoid Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Vic really whiffed on that "Rex needs to make the playoffs or he's fired" story too. boom
Wayne Arnold Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Whaley is finally doing this right! There's no question it would backfire. Watch the offense tank with Jones starting but the defense improves under McDermott so the team goes 8-8 again and can't draft any of the stud franchise QB's available in the 2018 Draft.
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