BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Being from long Island I have friends who are die hard Giants fans. Ya know, one of those teams mentioned in drafting a QB to groom. Yes, someone of them wouldnt be totally against it, but these organizations were in the playoffs last year in Pitt and NY. Most of their fans don't envision them so desperate they will not take the BPA,and take a QB from this class. Chargers, let's be honest, they will be picking top ten again and a shot at Darnold, Rosen, Falk, Allen, RuDolph seems a lot more interesting. The Cards have a lot of needs and yes a QB might make the most sense and they have been linked to them hard, however, who is to say they aren't trying to get another player to fall down the board? I mean there are enough people who will tell you Buddy Nix tricked the league with telling everyone he thought Glenn was a guard, only to take him in the second and make him the LT. To me there is more teams that don't need a QB trying to talk up this class than teams who really do need one.
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Being from long Island I have friends who are die hard Giants fans. Ya know, one of those teams mentioned in drafting a QB to groom. Yes, someone of them wouldnt be totally against it, but these organizations were in the playoffs last year in Pitt and NY. Most of their fans don't envision them so desperate they will not take the BPA,and take a QB from this class. Chargers, let's be honest, they will be picking top ten again and a shot at Darnold, Rosen, Falk, Allen, RuDolph seems a lot more interesting. The Cards have a lot of needs and yes a QB might make the most sense and they have been linked to them hard, however, who is to say they aren't trying to get another player to fall down the board? I mean there are enough people who will tell you Buddy Nix tricked the league with telling everyone he thought Glenn was a guard, only to take him in the second and make him the LT. To me there is more teams that don't need a QB trying to talk up this class than teams who really do need one. Rosen would be one of the most hated QB's in Bills history if drafted by Buffalo. Bills have no shot at Darnold if he is Luck like next year. http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/10/23/9604662/ucla-hot-tub-josh-rosen-damn-you-college-kids Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffismagic
BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Rosen would be one of the most hated QB's in Bills history if drafted by Buffalo. Bills have no shot at Darnold if he is Luck like next year. At what point did mention them potential picks for the Bills? Instead I pointed out the chargers would be more inclined to look at those options as oppose to taking a QB this year. Did you really post a story about Rosen having a hot tub in his dorm room? Is that supposed to be a detractor? Edited April 3, 2017 by BillsFan17
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 At what point did mention them potential picks for the Bills? Instead I pointed out the chargers would be more inclined to look at those options as oppose to taking a QB this year. That was for the wait for 2018 crowd in Buffalo.
BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 That was for the wait for 2018 crowd in Buffalo. If you want to go down that road, you pointed out two guys. And one you are convinced Bills fans would hate because he had a hot tub in his dorm room?
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Imo The Chargers are not taking a QB in the first round because none of them have 1st round grades and they draft 7th. They will probably take one but it will be appropriate to grade and value. There is no reason to reach for any of these guys, but many are worth drafting and developing if available at the right spot. I think the Steelers will draft Chad Kelly in the mid to lates. Edited April 3, 2017 by YoloinOhio
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 If you want to go down that road, you pointed out two guys. And one you are convinced Bills fans would hate because he had a hot tub in his dorm room? There's a lot more. We can discuss Rosen more next year if we have a top 5 pick.
BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Imo The Chargers are not taking a QB in the first round because none of them have 1st round grades and they draft 7th. They will probably take one but it will be appropriate to grade and value. There is no reason to reach. I think the Steelers will draft Chad Kelly in the mid to lates. I don't think any of the these teams will reach. I think the Browns might grab one at 12, but that's about where I could see one going in the top half of the draft. Like I said before, to many teams that don't need a QB are trying to drum up business. Could they make that move, sure, but I don't see how you have a top ten littered with teams that need QBs and only really the Jets linked to Trubisky... Literally you could make a case for seven of the ten teams. Heck, depending on what Bengals fan ya talk to, eight teams that could justify takING a QB. Yet, like I said, really only the jets are linked to taking a QB.
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 That's the main issue I have. Of course the coach is going to want the best veteran QB he can get. But that's short-term thinking with a non-playoff roster. We need to have a real GM who can execute a real strategy that doesn't just look at today but the next few years as well. This is especially true when the team won't make the playoffs. We need to do everything we can to become competitive in the near future and the Tyrod deal hurts us big time next year. What? No, it's not short-term thinking. It's actually long-term thinking. Just because you're interested in winning in the present does not mean that you aren't interested in finding the long-term solution, and absolutely zero reason to connect the two (or to assume that the front office connects the two). Case-in-point: the last time that the front office was in an obvious state of not having a potential franchise guy on the roster, they went out and signed a veteran QB (Kevin Kolb) that they felt could start. A month later, they drafted EJ Manuel. On anecdotal evidence alone, there's no reason to connect the idea that a veteran presence precludes this front office staff from drafting a potential franchise QB.
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) What? No, it's not short-term thinking. It's actually long-term thinking. Just because you're interested in winning in the present does not mean that you aren't interested in finding the long-term solution, and absolutely zero reason to connect the two (or to assume that the front office connects the two). Case-in-point: the last time that the front office was in an obvious state of not having a potential franchise guy on the roster, they went out and signed a veteran QB (Kevin Kolb) that they felt could start. A month later, they drafted EJ Manuel. On anecdotal evidence alone, there's no reason to connect the idea that a veteran presence precludes this front office staff from drafting a potential franchise QB. Bandit, I hope you're right. The draft will tell us a lot more. Mahomes and Trubisky are two QB's that have franchise QB potential. The Bills passing on either would be a huge indication that we are not thinking of the future. Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffismagic
BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 What? No, it's not short-term thinking. It's actually long-term thinking. Just because you're interested in winning in the present does not mean that you aren't interested in finding the long-term solution, and absolutely zero reason to connect the two (or to assume that the front office connects the two). Case-in-point: the last time that the front office was in an obvious state of not having a potential franchise guy on the roster, they went out and signed a veteran QB (Kevin Kolb) that they felt could start. A month later, they drafted EJ Manuel. On anecdotal evidence alone, there's no reason to connect the idea that a veteran presence precludes this front office staff from drafting a potential franchise QB. It absolutely does when your tunnel vision is so bad that you feel it would prevent you from drafting your guy. I mean heck, just read something I thought was interesting coming out about the 49ers... Stating you think they brought in Shanny to work with Hoyer and Barkley?!? Raised a few eye brows. I mean, you would assume since they brought them in, no chance they draft someone, or maybe they do, maybe they are back in this race from what i just read. And they signed two veterans.
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 It absolutely does when your tunnel vision is so bad that you feel it would prevent you from drafting your guy. I mean heck, just read something I thought was interesting coming out about the 49ers... Stating you think they brought in Shanny to work with Hoyer and Barkley?!? Raised a few eye brows. I mean, you would assume since they brought them in, no chance they draft someone, or maybe they do, maybe they are back in this race from what i just read. And they signed two veterans. Kyle Shanahan is a QB guru. He will be fine.
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 It absolutely does when your tunnel vision is so bad that you feel it would prevent you from drafting your guy. I mean heck, just read something I thought was interesting coming out about the 49ers... Stating you think they brought in Shanny to work with Hoyer and Barkley?!? Raised a few eye brows. I mean, you would assume since they brought them in, no chance they draft someone, or maybe they do, maybe they are back in this race from what i just read. And they signed two veterans. Everyone assumes they are going to draft a QB, signing the 2 vets meant nothing considering they had 0 QBs under contract when Shanahan took over.
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Bandit, I hope you're right. The draft will tell us a lot more. Mahomes and Trubisky are two QB's that have franchise QB potential. The Bills passing on either would be a huge indication that we are not thinking of the future. See, I'm not sure I agree with that--it could simply be that they don't have a potential franchise grade on either of those guys. I'm not one to skewer the organization for having a different grade on a player than I do...I will, however, take them to task if the philosophy doesn't make sense. For example, the 2012 draft. I don't want to hear days/weeks/months later that you had franchise grade on Russell Wilson. If that's true, then everyone involved should be fired for not drafting him in round 1 or 2. At the same time, we can wreck them for having the wrong grade on EJ Manuel all we want, but the thought process was correct: you need a franchise QB, and don't have any hopefuls on your roster, so you take your shot at the guy that you think has the greatest potential to become one. Now, if you look at a draft class and think that none of the QBs have that make-up, then I understand not taking a guy just for the sake of taking one...that, IMO, would be a waste of resources. It absolutely does when your tunnel vision is so bad that you feel it would prevent you from drafting your guy. I mean heck, just read something I thought was interesting coming out about the 49ers... Stating you think they brought in Shanny to work with Hoyer and Barkley?!? Raised a few eye brows. I mean, you would assume since they brought them in, no chance they draft someone, or maybe they do, maybe they are back in this race from what i just read. And they signed two veterans. My question wasn't if the presence of a veteran could preclude them from it, my question was what evidence do we have that suggests that it would? And the answer is zero. Now, the second question is what evidence do we have that the presence of a vet would not preclude them from drafting a guy? Answer: 2013 (EJ Manuel despite Kolb and Tarvaris Jackson on the roster) and 2016 (Cardale Jones despite EJ and Tyrod on the roster--and Tyrod had a long-term deal to boot).
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 See, I'm not sure I agree with that--it could simply be that they don't have a potential franchise grade on either of those guys. I'm not one to skewer the organization for having a different grade on a player than I do...I will, however, take them to task if the philosophy doesn't make sense. For example, the 2012 draft. I don't want to hear days/weeks/months later that you had franchise grade on Russell Wilson. If that's true, then everyone involved should be fired for not drafting him in round 1 or 2. At the same time, we can wreck them for having the wrong grade on EJ Manuel all we want, but the thought process was correct: you need a franchise QB, and don't have any hopefuls on your roster, so you take your shot at the guy that you think has the greatest potential to become one. Now, if you look at a draft class and think that none of the QBs have that make-up, then I understand not taking a guy just for the sake of taking one...that, IMO, would be a waste of resources. My question wasn't if the presence of a veteran could preclude them from it, my question was what evidence do we have that suggests that it would? And the answer is zero. Now, the second question is what evidence do we have that the presence of a vet would not preclude them from drafting a guy? Answer: 2013 (EJ Manuel despite Kolb and Tarvaris Jackson on the roster) and 2016 (Cardale Jones despite EJ and Tyrod on the roster--and Tyrod had a long-term deal to boot). That was why I wanted the Bills to hire Jim Bob Cooter. I would have complete confidence in Cooter or a Shanahan creating an offense and picking a QB.
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 That was why I wanted the Bills to hire Jim Bob Cooter. I would have complete confidence in Cooter or a Shanahan creating an offense and picking a QB. Perhaps creating an offense, but picking a QB? To my recollection, neither guy had anything to do with picking any of the 3 QBs with which they've collectively had success.
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Perhaps creating an offense, but picking a QB? To my recollection, neither guy had anything to do with picking any of the 3 QBs with which they've collectively had success. True. But Shanahan's board for 2014 was Carr #1 , Jimmy G #2. Cooter was Peyton Manning's choice for OC over Adam Gase. Cooter will be the next star coach when he is hired in the next 2 years. I have been told that Jim Bob Cooter is like a Mike Tomlin on offense. Absolutely controls a room and understands QB play and how to maximize. Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffismagic
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 True. But Shanahan's board for 2014 was Carr #1 , Jimmy G #2. Cooter was Peyton Manning's choice for OC over Adam Gase. Cooter will be the next star coach when he is hired in the next 2 years. I have been told that Jim Bob Cooter is like a Mike Tomlin on offense. Absolutely controls a room and understands QB play and how to maximize. Where can I look up various coordinators' draft boards?
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Where can I look up various coordinators' draft boards? Shanahan created the board for the Browns who ignored it and drafted Johhny Drunkball because a homeless guy told the owner to take him.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Shanahan created the board for the Browns who ignored it and drafted Johhny Drunkball because a homeless guy told the owner to take him. When eactly did he decide to release his rankings and make this public? Was it actually in 2014?
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