GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 I think Watson is going to Chicago at #3. I have felt that way for a long time and I have a friend with decent links into the organisation who says that the personnel staff there are very, very high on him. I don't think there is any way the Bears go Quarterback at #3 and pick someone else. The 49ers I agree probably won't go QB and if they do Trubisky is the most likely selection.
Roundybout Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Just reported this morning: http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/saints-drew-brees-plans-to-play-at-least-a-few-more-years/ We shall see about that. Ill give him until 40.
JohnC Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 I think the 49ers are incredibly unpredictable since it's Lynch and Shanahan's first time around. I could see Lynch valuing Thomas in a Sapp call back to the Tampa D, valuing Adams as a fellow safety or I could see Shanahan wanting Watson as his QB to groom. Watson going 2 could start a landslide or them going defense could push everything the other way. At this point I think it's safe to ink Garrett to the Browns at pick 1 and otherwise multiple scenarios are in play. I just don't see the 49ers using the second pick on a draft on any of these good but not elite qb prospects. Their roster is so depleted and far away from being competitive that they need to re-stock the roster with top end talent that is available in this draft. If San Fran was a more competitive team I could see them taking one of the qb prospects but not under their current situation, at least not in the first round. The intriguing thing to follow in this draft with respect to the qb issue is which surprise team/s will move up to get a qb. There are a number of teams who have veteran qbs who are near the end of the line, such as the Giants, Steelers and Arizona. Will they move up into the first or near the top of the second to get a qb that they are impressed with? I think Watson is going to Chicago at #3. I have felt that way for a long time and I have a friend with decent links into the organisation who says that the personnel staff there are very, very high on him. I don't think there is any way the Bears go Quarterback at #3 and pick someone else. The 49ers I agree probably won't go QB and if they do Trubisky is the most likely selection. Jon Gruden was on a radio sports show yesterday and was asked about the qb crop. The qb he gushed over was Watson. He felt that he was the most impressive person (not necessarily the most talented) qb in this draft.
thebandit27 Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 I think Watson is going to Chicago at #3. I have felt that way for a long time and I have a friend with decent links into the organisation who says that the personnel staff there are very, very high on him. I don't think there is any way the Bears go Quarterback at #3 and pick someone else. The 49ers I agree probably won't go QB and if they do Trubisky is the most likely selection. You have definitely been consistent on Watson in general, and what you're saying wouldn't surprise me.
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 You have definitely been consistent on Watson in general, and what you're saying wouldn't surprise me. If I get time my v2.0 mock draft is coming tonight..... I've finalised the picks just finishing off my reasoning. There are some changes throughout the first round. Version 3.0 will, as usual be the final version in the final 24 / 48 hours before the Browns go on the clock.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) You know what's even more annoying ? Listening to someone make things up. I know you and Firechan argue but leave me out of it. Name 1 thing I've made up about Taylor ? Just 1 is all I need. He is 1-6 vs .500 teams. He is sandwiched between Simien and Tannenhill on the qb lists on NFL.com. Just because you love him, doesn't mean I have to, I watched him soil his pants in big games vs the raiders, steelers, and pats. Apologies for not being louder when we beat the 49ers, Jags, and Browns. He's meh, and it's easy to see when a real qb is on the opponents team. Qb at 10. Let's do this. Since you only asked me to name 1...I will name just 1. There was a whole thread where you spent tons of posts trying to completely discredit any and all production by Tyrod. You literally were trying to twist all kinds of his production into falsified "garbage" time production, even in games where we lost by 6 points and we were in the game to the very end. Maybe you don't realize the EXTREMES you have gone on a regular basis to rail against Tyrod, but you do and did it a lot. So sorry bud, you made your bed, so you get to lie in it. And lets be clear, I don't love Tyrod, said a million times he MUST improve this year and continue to grow. The only thing about me is I have not declared that impossible like you and FireChan. I love drafting QB's, I just don't love over drafting and reaching for MEH QB's when we have a guy already capable of getting us wins and have bigger issues on this team, especially on defense where we have key positions that don't even have starters yet. The fact you still can't figure that out and think I "love" TT is all anyone really needs to know about how much you read posts. PS: In the very post I just replied to, you have incorrect facts. He is not 1-6 against winning teams, his record is better than that...buy you already know that because I already addressed that with you in other threads...yet you keep saying it anyways. Edited March 30, 2017 by Alphadawg7
Dr. Who Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Like GunnerBill, I like Watson. I think he'll go a lot earlier than folks think. I also like Mahomes. He's a risk, but we can afford to sit him and let him learn with Taylor's nice, bridge qb contract. I don't think these are "meh" qbs, so I would take a shot at them, probably Trubisky as well. Filling a "hole" that is an immediate need is short-term thinking, imo. We should go after the franchise qb if we think one of these fellas has a legitimate chance to become one.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) I don't feel Tyrod is awful. Far from it. Ryan and Gungy might but I certainly don't. I feel he is a QB that you can win with and who, when everything is right around him, can take a team to the postseason. He isn't going to lose you games (though "careful with the football" is a description I hate in Quarterbacks -as Parcells once said to Phil Simms... if you are not throwing picks you are not trying hard enough) and Tyrod will make enough big plays here and there with his legs or his deep ball (his two strongest assets). It is, however, true to say that I think it is unrealistic to expect significant improvement in Tyrod's game at this stage based on what you see when evaluating him over the past two seasons. I don't think he is suddenly going to break out and catapult himself into Franchise Quarterback status. If he can't - in your words - trust Brandon Tate or Justin Hunter when they are absolutely wide open, as they were often last year then I have to conclude that it us either he doesn't see them or sees them too late or he is simply not an anticipation thrower willing to take enough risks with the football. He holds it too long and he bails clean pockets too quickly, too often. He is to my eyes what he is. The 20th or so best Quarterback in the NFL. I have to say the renegotiation that the Bills undertook with Tyrod this offseason strongly indicates that they feel the same. They see him as a bridge Quarterback. The point I make on this very thread to JohnC is that I would feel the same about the 3 or 4 guys I have just above Tyrod in that game manager category. I don't want to stand pat with an Alex Smith or an Andy Dalton or a Ryan Tannehill either. They are not true franchise Quarterbacks if you don't believe that they could win you a Superbowl and I don't with any of those guys. If those 3 and Taylor won 1 between them in the rest of their careers that would be a stretch. And whilst I 100% agree with you that the defense not the offense was the problem last year - ruined by a Head Coach who I said on day 1 would likely fail here - I still think Quarterback is the single most important position and if you don't have a guy you would give that "franchise" moniker to then you should be taking shots to find one early and often. To me this is a draft where our positions of need are deep with talent into the 2nd and 3rd and beyond.... I am not sure we lose anything by taking a shot on one of these Quarterbacks.... Watson or Trubisky or a wildcard shot on Pat Mahomes if you want to really roll the dice (and many here do). Good post, and we are more on the same page that it might look initially. I love drafting QB's and know we need to draft one this year. I don't see any of them being worth the 10th pick, so reaching usually gets teams in trouble and I don't want to reach for something that we aren't in dire need of. I wouldn't hate one in the 2nd, even though I still prefer to go a different direction in the 2nd (seems a great round to grab a DB or WR). At the end of the day it comes down to this: We are in a rare draft that is deep and rich of value going into it. We have a LOT of holes and only 3 picks in the first 4 rounds and only 6 total. Lets focus on taking advantage of the depth of this draft and try and get 3 starters in the first 3 rounds because next years draft wont be anywhere near as good as this one at all the positions we need help at. Then Tyrod gets a chance to see what he can do and improve on under better coaching, system stability, healthy Sammy, revamped WR group and what should also be a much improved defense. If Taylor doesnt progress, next year we have a lot less holes to fill and we can go all in on a QB, even possibly make a big trade up if its available at a top prospect if need be. But if we draft a meh QB this year and wiff on it, we are in a much worse position over the next few years than if we just focus on our real holes to reduce the amount of players we need on this team to take the next step. Edited March 30, 2017 by Alphadawg7
FireChan Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Good post, and we are more on the same page that it might look initially. I love drafting QB's and know we need to draft one this year. I don't see any of them being worth the 10th pick, so reaching usually gets teams in trouble and I don't want to reach for something that we aren't in dire need of. I wouldn't hate one in the 2nd, even though I still prefer to go a different direction in the 2nd (seems a great round to grab a DB or WR). At the end of the day it comes down to this: We are in a rare draft that is deep and rich of value going into it. We have a LOT of holes and only 3 picks in the first 4 rounds and only 6 total. Lets focus on taking advantage of the depth of this draft and try and get 3 starters in the first 3 rounds because next years draft wont be anywhere near as good as this one at all the positions we need help at. Then Tyrod gets a chance to see what he can do and improve on under better coaching, system stability, healthy Sammy, revamped WR group and what should also be a much improved defense. If Taylor doesnt progress, next year we have a lot less holes to fill and we can go all in on a QB, even possibly make a big trade up if its available at a top prospect if need be. But if we draft a meh QB this year and wiff on it, we are in a much worse position over the next few years than if we just focus on our real holes to reduce the amount of players we need on this team to take the next step. You have holes to fill every year. Preston, Kyle, Gillislee, McCoy, Kujo, Incognito, Wood, Mills, Seantrel and more could all be gone next year. Waiting to take a QB is just that, waiting to take a QB. The one extra pick that fills S or WR won't fill everything. Edited March 30, 2017 by FireChan
Dr. Who Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Good post, and we are more on the same page that it might look initially. I love drafting QB's and know we need to draft one this year. I don't see any of them being worth the 10th pick, so reaching usually gets teams in trouble and I don't want to reach for something that we aren't in dire need of. I wouldn't hate one in the 2nd, even though I still prefer to go a different direction in the 2nd (seems a great round to grab a DB or WR). At the end of the day it comes down to this: We are in a rare draft that is deep and rich of value going into it. We have a LOT of holes and only 3 picks in the first 4 rounds and only 6 total. Lets focus on taking advantage of the depth of this draft and try and get 3 starters in the first 3 rounds because next years draft wont be anywhere near as good as this one at all the positions we need help at. Then Tyrod gets a chance to see what he can do and improve on under better coaching, system stability, healthy Sammy, revamped WR group and what should also be a much improved defense. If Taylor doesnt progress, next year we have a lot less holes to fill and we can go all in on a QB, even possibly make a big trade up if its available at a top prospect if need be. But if we draft a meh QB this year and wiff on it, we are in a much worse position over the next few years than if we just focus on our real holes to reduce the amount of players we need on this team to take the next step. The presupposition in your reasoning is that this year's class of qbs is "meh." If you are wrong there, much of your reasoning falls apart. I do agree this appears to be a draft rich at many areas of need, so I am not dismissive of your argument. However, I am also dubious that we will be in a position to trade up to get a franchise qb next year. I suspect Cleveland, SF, and a good number of other teams will be likely better equipped to grab an available franchise qb. For that reason, I think you take the shot now if you think there is a fella with a good chance to develop into a top-tier qb. Of course, if you think they are all long-shots, your strategy is more sound.
TheFunPolice Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 The Saints have wasted the career of Brees for years now
Roundybout Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Just saw in twitter that the Jets are working out Mitchell Tru today. Wonder if the Bills are ever going to work out a QB.
jeffismagic Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Simms: Patrick Mahomes is the QB prospect that excites me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcff3998I9I
Maury Ballstein Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Since you only asked me to name 1...I will name just 1. There was a whole thread where you spent tons of posts trying to completely discredit any and all production by Tyrod. You literally were trying to twist all kinds of his production into falsified "garbage" time production, even in games where we lost by 6 points and we were in the game to the very end. Maybe you don't realize the EXTREMES you have gone on a regular basis to rail against Tyrod, but you do and did it a lot. So sorry bud, you made your bed, so you get to lie in it. And lets be clear, I don't love Tyrod, said a million times he MUST improve this year and continue to grow. The only thing about me is I have not declared that impossible like you and FireChan. I love drafting QB's, I just don't love over drafting and reaching for MEH QB's when we have a guy already capable of getting us wins and have bigger issues on this team, especially on defense where we have key positions that don't even have starters yet. The fact you still can't figure that out and think I "love" TT is all anyone really needs to know about how much you read posts. PS: In the very post I just replied to, you have incorrect facts. He is not 1-6 against winning teams, his record is better than that...buy you already know that because I already addressed that with you in other threads...yet you keep saying it anyways. Down 2 scores needing an onside kick is garbage time. He's not 1-6 vs .500 teams ? Pats 1-1 Pitt 0-1 Miami 0-2 raiders 0-1 Ravens 0-1 Seahawks 0-1 Looks like 1-7 to me sir. Draft Mahomes/Bisky/Watson and get this bum out of here. Edited March 31, 2017 by Ryan L Billz
jeffismagic Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Down 2 scores needing an onside kick is garbage time. He's not 1-6 vs .500 teams ? Pats 1-1 Pitt 0-1 Miami 0-2 raiders 0-1 Ravens 0-1 Seahawks 0-1 Looks like 1-7 to me sir. People are saying Trubisky could be a Matt Ryan and comparing Mahomes to Stafford and Rodgers. But why would Buffalo need that when we have TT? Let's just draft a DB at 10 and give Tyrod 18 million next year.
17 Josh Allen Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Are whole draft will be a bust if we do not draft Mahomes he is a future Hall of Famer and the best player in this draft
jeffismagic Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Are whole draft will be a bust if we do not draft Mahomes he is a future Hall of Famer and the best player in this draft If we pass on Mahomes I will turn off the TV in disgust, drink a beer, and pray for a real GM to be hired.
17 Josh Allen Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 He is the next Payton Manning, Brett Favre, Aaron Rogers, He is a generational talent. Yes I said it
The_Dude Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Not to be all 'I told ya so' about a future event... But I've been stating that the Bills must take Mahomes at 10 IF he's on the board. I've been saying that for months. And people mocked me. I'm not getting locked for it now. I'm better than all the draft "experts" at QBs. Those guys are all gutless. They never commit to a guy. I do. And Mahomes is the real deal. He is the next Payton Manning, Brett Favre, Aaron Rogers, He is a generational talent. Yes I said it You're damn right he is. He's a special, special player. And I'd say this...if I were Whaley I'd trade up to get him if I felt I needed to. I'd surrender next years 1st if I thought I needed too. Now for serious, I'm am high right now. But i mean that. I trade next years 1st if I had to.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Not to be all 'I told ya so' about a future event... But I've been stating that the Bills must take Mahomes at 10 IF he's on the board. I've been saying that for months. And people mocked me. I'm not getting locked for it now. I'm better than all the draft "experts" at QBs. Those guys are all gutless. They never commit to a guy. I do. And Mahomes is the real deal. You're damn right he is. He's a special, special player. And I'd say this...if I were Whaley I'd trade up to get him if I felt I needed to. I'd surrender next years 1st if I thought I needed too. Now for serious, I'm am high right now. But i mean that. I trade next years 1st if I had to. Mahomes would really tie the room together.
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