jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Anthony Lynn looking into Mahomes... Eric Williams of ESPN.com reports that the Chargers held a private workout with Patrick Mahomes in Lubbock, Texas recently. Head coach Anthony Lynn, who also went to Texas Tech, attended the workout along with offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt and quarterbacks coach Shane Steichen. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/23/patrick-mahomes-josh-dobbs-had-private-workouts-for-chargers/
BillsFan17 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 A lot of teams are going to look into these QBS and try and generate false interest. I mean, by wide and large this class may be similar to that of 2013 in terms of how they fall. I could absolutely see, Mahomes being the first QB taken and guys like Trubisky abd Watson fall. However, that being said I am not buying anything this time of year. People are going to read way to much into who is watching who during the process.
Dr. Who Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I think enthusiasm for Mahomes is more real than hype, but one can always speculate it is smoke this time of year.
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 The trick would be for us to land both Mahomes & Williams! Go Bills!!!!!
Dr. Who Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 The trick would be for us to land both Mahomes & Williams! Go Bills!!!!! I have been trying to figure out how we could reasonably or even somewhat unreasonably pull off that trick. I don't think it's possible unless Mahomes falls into the second. MW is going top fifteen and probably top ten. If you trade back, you don't get him. You'd have to trade up to get Mahomes and I don't think we have the fire power. I suspect Mahomes goes in the first. If you have to choose, I take the qb.
essential Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) I completely agree. If we can trade down and land him then perfect. You can get a Zay Jones in the 2nd round. Maybe put Obi with the extra 2nd round pick? most of the time i'm all for trading down, especially if you're pretty sure you can still get the guy you want ... but i don't know if i'd risk it here. i'd just take Mahomes at #10. we have the luxury of Tyrod right now so Mahomes can sit his rookie year. since not much is excepted of us this year i'd also take Sidney Jones in the second (if he lasts), and Taylor Moton in the third (depth and replacement for Richie next year). i think this is the perfect year to load up for the future as opposed to just grabbing who'll make the biggest impact out of the gate. Edited March 23, 2017 by essential
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 PFF College FootballVerified account @PFF_College Mar 16More "Every time I watch Patrick Mahomes, I come away more impressed each time. I'm convinced he'll become a top 5 QB in the NFL." @PFF_JohnKosko Been said about thousands of QB's who failed miserably in the NFL. The overall consensus is not shared with this opinion, otherwise he wouldn't be behind Meh QB's like Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer. Draft rankings means nothing when the Helmets and Pads are on and its game time. So who knows how any of these QB's shake out at the next level. But going into the draft, none of them are overwhelmingly exciting or worth taking in the top 10 or even with our 2nd pick given the much bigger needs we have where there are BPA for the those positions than one of these risky QB's. Stay away from QB's until the 5th and look to scoop up a guy with the same amount of upside as any QB in this draft in Chad Kelly. Let Kelly and Cardale battle it out, maybe add a vet, to be the back up this year and see what TT does. If TT falters, bench him and finish the season with either Chad or Cardale and see what we have going into next season. If nothing looks good, go all in on a QB.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Been said about thousands of QB's who failed miserably in the NFL. The overall consensus is not shared with this opinion, otherwise he wouldn't be behind Meh QB's like Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer. Draft rankings means nothing when the Helmets and Pads are on and its game time. So who knows how any of these QB's shake out at the next level. But going into the draft, none of them are overwhelmingly exciting or worth taking in the top 10 or even with our 2nd pick given the much bigger needs we have where there are BPA for the those positions than one of these risky QB's. Stay away from QB's until the 5th and look to scoop up a guy with the same amount of upside as any QB in this draft in Chad Kelly. Let Kelly and Cardale battle it out, maybe add a vet, to be the back up this year and see what TT does. If TT falters, bench him and finish the season with either Chad or Cardale and see what we have going into next season. If nothing looks good, go all in on a QB. If you want to grab the next Dak Prescott or Derek Carr you can't depend on consensus. You need QB scouts that are up to date with the current NFL. Unfortunately many of the scouts still employed by teams are living in the wrong decade and their information trickles back to form the mocks of people like Kiper and Mayock. We need to do better.
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 If you want to grab the next Dak Prescott or Derek Carr you can't depend on consensus. You need QB scouts that are up to date with the current NFL. Unfortunately many of the scouts still employed by teams are living in the wrong decade and their information trickles back to form the mocks of people like Kiper and Mayock. We need to do better. I agree we shouldn't be in thrawl to group think. You have to evaluate each QB individually.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) I agree we shouldn't be in thrawl to group think. You have to evaluate each QB individually. I have been calling for Pegula's to hire a QB czar for a while now. Find the best QB scout you can find and give them a bag of cash. It should be someone that would have found a good to great QB in the last several drafts. Make them prove their expertise and let's get some help in here. I also wanted a head coach that was an offensive mastermind/QB guru to also help but that ship has sailed. Edited March 23, 2017 by jeffismagic
Beef Jerky Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I have been calling for Pegula's to hire a QB czar for a while now. Find the best QB scout you can find and give them a bag of cash. It should be someone that would have found a good to great QB in the last several drafts. Make them prove their expertise and let's get some help in here. I also wanted a head coach that was an offensive mastermind/QB guru to also help but that ship has sailed. If their was such thing we would have seen this already. Truth is no one can evaluate a QB.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 If their was such thing we would have seen this already. Truth is no one can evaluate a QB. There is no one that can predict the future but you better believe that some people are better at evaluating QB's than others. It did not surprise me that Oakland hired Mckenzie from the Green bay front office and then grabbed Derek Carr and are now a rising power. Who would you rather have scout a QB? Kyle Shanahan or Doug Whaley? Doug Whaley or the Green Bay GM, Director of College Scouting?
Maury Ballstein Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Been said about thousands of QB's who failed miserably in the NFL. The overall consensus is not shared with this opinion, otherwise he wouldn't be behind Meh QB's like Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer. Draft rankings means nothing when the Helmets and Pads are on and its game time. So who knows how any of these QB's shake out at the next level. But going into the draft, none of them are overwhelmingly exciting or worth taking in the top 10 or even with our 2nd pick given the much bigger needs we have where there are BPA for the those positions than one of these risky QB's. Stay away from QB's until the 5th and look to scoop up a guy with the same amount of upside as any QB in this draft in Chad Kelly. Let Kelly and Cardale battle it out, maybe add a vet, to be the back up this year and see what TT does. If TT falters, bench him and finish the season with either Chad or Cardale and see what we have going into next season. If nothing looks good, go all in on a QB. Been said about thousands of QB's who failed miserably in the NFL. The overall consensus is not shared with this opinion, otherwise he wouldn't be behind Meh QB's like Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer. Draft rankings means nothing when the Helmets and Pads are on and its game time. So who knows how any of these QB's shake out at the next level. But going into the draft, none of them are overwhelmingly exciting or worth taking in the top 10 or even with our 2nd pick given the much bigger needs we have where there are BPA for the those positions than one of these risky QB's. Stay away from QB's until the 5th and look to scoop up a guy with the same amount of upside as any QB in this draft in Chad Kelly. Let Kelly and Cardale battle it out, maybe add a vet, to be the back up this year and see what TT does. If TT falters, bench him and finish the season with either Chad or Cardale and see what we have going into next season. If nothing looks good, go all in on a QB. How can someone who enjoys watching Taylor struggle to throw 200 ypg gonna call Trubisky "meh" Help me understand what it is you're looking at.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Pat Kirwan ✔@PatKirwanRFN A well respected QB coach for decades in the NFL told me Mahomes has the best arm talent since Brett Favre. Raw & not ready but worth it! 7:21 AM - 28 Feb 2017 · Dallas, TX
Magox Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 If you want to grab the next Dak Prescott or Derek Carr you can't depend on consensus. You need QB scouts that are up to date with the current NFL. Unfortunately many of the scouts still employed by teams are living in the wrong decade and their information trickles back to form the mocks of people like Kiper and Mayock. We need to do better. That's right, the consensus argument is a lazy one. You hire talent evaluators and scouts to do this job, not rely on "consensus". If your hired guns and your GM believe he has the right stuff, then you pull the trigger.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I just don't see how Mahomes is going to be able to consistently throw from the pocket. Seems like he really thrives on getting out of the pocket and letting it rip, which he does very well. I don't see that translating to the nfl real well.
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Pat Kirwan ✔@PatKirwanRFN A well respected QB coach for decades in the NFL told me Mahomes has the best arm talent since Brett Favre. Raw & not ready but worth it! 7:21 AM - 28 Feb 2017 · Dallas, TX That is a fair take in my opinion. If you are willing to draft him as a two year project Mahomes is definitely worth the risk... but we just took a two year project last year, I'd be surprised if they go that way again.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 That is a fair take in my opinion. If you are willing to draft him as a two year project Mahomes is definitely worth the risk... but we just took a two year project last year, I'd be surprised if they go that way again. Well, we're getting Tyrod Taylor for most of 2017 no matter who we draft. As for project it depends on how willing and creative the offensive coordinator is. If Dak Prescott had to run the full Tony Romo offense then he never would have been able to operate as well as he did. Mahomes could be ready much earlier than you think if similar considerations were done for him. Also, the last few years the Bills have not asked the QB to carry the team.
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I think Dak was more ready to start than Mahomes.
jeffismagic Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I think Dak was more ready to start than Mahomes. John Gruden wants Mahomes to become more consistent and he will go a long way. Most interesting guy in this draft. He's special, big league arm and athletic ability and confidence to go with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh5BLt86dbY
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