thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 When I see Mahomes I see a tall Tyrod. Every bit of the things Mahomes does Tyrod can and has done if not better. One of the videos done up regarding Mahomes being highly touted about in this thread literally showed himrunning away from pressure, heres the thing my grandma was running faster then every defender chasing him. Almost every throw on any of the videos is a deep go or out, nothing else. The offense is so simplistic I dont think many would have a problem running it. Coupled with bare naked wrs with apparently no safety to help the opposing cb and you produce results as everyone on here thinks Mahomes could do in the NFL. Whew, on to your next statement. Im not snobby towards any amateur scout. Firstly, his own bio doesnt list him as a scout, he is a football analyst writer. If he isnt claiming the accolades dont give it to him and act like his opinion as a writer is any more in depth or true than any others thinking, because it likely isnt. He gets paid to write ptoducts that people will read, if jis product said he predicts Mahomes to throw more ints than a blind Brett Favre in the NFL who would read or pay for that? No offense, but you aren't watching much of him if that's what you see. His best throw is the inside slant off of the blast PA. He routinely works the underneath middle off of very quick throws for YAC opportunities, and shows a good eye for pre-snap reads. Check out the Oklahoma game as an example: Could we get him in the 2nd? I think (like always) QBs will get "over-drafted" because teams need them. I say "over drafted" because let's say Dallas picked Dak in round 1 last year and he had the season he did. Nobody would care that he was "over drafted." I am a firm believer that if you love a QB and think he will be "the guy" for 15 years+ you take him as soon as you can, because there is always the chance that you aren't the only one who thinks that. Right now I have him going 25 to Houston...if Buffalo wants him, they probably have to take him at 10 as a practical matter. On principle, if they want him, they should take him at 10 because he's a QB, and there's literally no good not to take a QB that you like in round 1.
TheFunPolice Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I agree: if you think he's your 15 year QB then he's worth the #1 overall pick, let alone the 10th I understand the argument about value... But you run the risk of someone else grabbing the guy you want. I'd much rather take the guys I really want, let the Mel Kiper's of the world give me a D for the draft, and end up with the guys I really want and believe in.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 My favorite thing about Mahomes is the fact his arm talent should allow us to build the same type of offense for both him and Cardale, giving each an opportunity to win the job in a system that suits them and giving us a backup option that doesn't require a dramatic scheme change. Opinion on Mahomes is definitely split with concerns about his level of competition and inconsistent mechanics, but watch a game on Sunday and QBs with arm talent and improvisational skills tend to shine as you simply aren't going to get a lot of opportunity on a perfectly mechanical throw. Obviously all these guys have cause for concern or else they would be going #1 no question. Waiting till the second round on any of the top 4 QBs is not a realistic option, even if a couple of them don't go in the first you've got a minefield with Cleveland - San Fran - Chicago - NYJ in front of us on round 2. There may even be 5 QBs off the board by our second round pick the way Webb looks to be rising. I agree: if you think he's your 15 year QB then he's worth the #1 overall pick, let alone the 10th I understand the argument about value... But you run the risk of someone else grabbing the guy you want. I'd much rather take the guys I really want, let the Mel Kiper's of the world give me a D for the draft, and end up with the guys I really want and believe in. "Value" is such a ridiculous concept when it comes to the draft, especially when you get past the couple of consensus blue chippers at the top. There simply is not a ton of talent difference between guys going in the teens and guys going in the 40s, it almost always comes down to scheme fit and team need where guys end up landing, either way with a 1st or 2nd round pick you are looking to land a starter.
jeffismagic Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 My favorite thing about Mahomes is the fact his arm talent should allow us to build the same type of offense for both him and Cardale, giving each an opportunity to win the job in a system that suits them and giving us a backup option that doesn't require a dramatic scheme change. Opinion on Mahomes is definitely split with concerns about his level of competition and inconsistent mechanics, but watch a game on Sunday and QBs with arm talent and improvisational skills tend to shine as you simply aren't going to get a lot of opportunity on a perfectly mechanical throw. Obviously all these guys have cause for concern or else they would be going #1 no question. Waiting till the second round on any of the top 4 QBs is not a realistic option, even if a couple of them don't go in the first you've got a minefield with Cleveland - San Fran - Chicago - NYJ in front of us on round 2. There may even be 5 QBs off the board by our second round pick the way Webb looks to be rising. "Value" is such a ridiculous concept when it comes to the draft, especially when you get past the couple of consensus blue chippers at the top. There simply is not a ton of talent difference between guys going in the teens and guys going in the 40s, it almost always comes down to scheme fit and team need where guys end up landing, either way with a 1st or 2nd round pick you are looking to land a starter. Mechanics are important when they result in inaccurate throws. The fact that Mahomes is able to get the ball where he wants without textbook foot work is amazing. And Mahomes is also an exception. Some guys just break the rules.
wppete Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I like Mahomes but I think Cardale is a better QB. Has a stronger arm a lot bigger and athletic than Mahomes. I think if Cardale went back and started at Ohio state he would be the top QB in this class.
jeffismagic Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I like Mahomes but I think Cardale is a better QB. Has a stronger arm a lot bigger and athletic than Mahomes. I think if Cardale went back and started at Ohio state he would be the top QB in this class. Cardale is bigger. Mahomes had some scouts saying best arm at the combine since Favre. Mahomes also is way further along as a QB. He throws receivers open, uses nice touch passes. Cardale machine guns 100 mph fastballs at WR's 5 yards away.
wppete Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Cardale is bigger. Mahomes had some scouts saying best arm at the combine since Favre. Mahomes also is way further along as a QB. He throws receivers open, uses nice touch passes. Cardale machine guns 100 mph fastballs at WR's 5 yards away. I thought Farve use to machine gun balls at WRs. Finger breaker. Yes Cardale has a lot of work still. Would be great tom see us draft Mahomes in the 2nd and develop both of them together.
jeffismagic Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I thought Farve use to machine gun balls at WRs. Finger breaker. Yes Cardale has a lot of work still. Would be great tom see us draft Mahomes in the 2nd and develop both of them together. Oh Cardale has elite tools, no doubt. And I do like that he seems like a gamer. Doesn't panic like EJ. Will be interesting to see where he is in training camp this year.
BillsFan17 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 He's just not the type of player you take top ten.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 He's just not the type of player you take top ten. That's how I feel. The guy can make all the throws. There is no question that he has an incredibly good arm. Playing in the Big 12 just makes it so difficult to properly assess how he'll translate to the pros. Big 12 receivers are running open all over the field every game. Defense is optional in that conference. Moving from Big 12 football to the pros is almost akin to playing a different sport. It's like moving from softball to baseball. If he played in any of the other major conferences he'd be the number one pick. He is just too much of a wild card to use a top ten pick on.
wppete Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 That's how I feel. The guy can make all the throws. There is no question that he has an incredibly good arm. Playing in the Big 12 just makes it so difficult to properly assess how he'll translate to the pros. Big 12 receivers are running open all over the field every game. Defense is optional in that conference. Moving from Big 12 football to the pros is almost akin to playing a different sport. It's like moving from softball to baseball. If he played in any of the other major conferences he'd be the number one pick. He is just too much of a wild card to use a top ten pick on. How is the Big 12 not a major conference???? SEC Big 10 Pac 12 Big 12 ACC These are the big 5 conferences.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 When I see Ray Lucas I see a tall Tyrod. Ftfy
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) How is the Big 12 not a major conference???? SEC Big 10 Pac 12 Big 12 ACC These are the big 5 conferences. I was just saying that the defense in that league is certainly not major conference worthy. It's nonexistent. That's why they produced Bryce Petty and Geno Smith. Those guys lit it up on Saturday's. They even fooled teams into using relatively high draft picks on them. I'm not comparing Mahomes talent to those guys. I'm just saying that even a couple total busts put up all time great college numbers in that conference. Edited March 7, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5
thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I was just saying that the defense in that league is certainly not major conference worthy. It's nonexistent. That's why they produced Bryce Petty and Geno Smith. Those guys lit it up on Saturday's. They even fooled teams into using relatively high draft picks on them. I'm not comparing Mahomes talent to those guys. I'm just saying that even a couple total busts put up all time great college numbers in that conference. Didn't they also produce Dak Prescott?
thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 ??? Gah--not sure why, but I was thinking of TTU instead of MIss St.
jeffismagic Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Wentz played in Division II went top 2. Roethlisberger played in MAC and went 11th overall. Non QB's Khalil Mack played at UB but he looks ok.
iinii Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Didn't they also produce Dak Prescott? No. Dak played in the SEC
2003Contenders Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 The extra year for players drafted in the 1st round will lead to teams wanting to draft QBs with a 2nd round grade late in the 1st round. That is why it is likely we will see any team in QB need (Jets/49ers/Browns, etc.) who did not address the need with the top 10 selection try to trade back into the latter half of the 1st round. Barring a trade with the Browns for Tyrod (and whatever the Bills would get in exchange), all of those QB needy teams would have more to offer in a trade-up situation than the Bills. That is why the Bills would either need to trade DOWN (like they did back in 2013) or bite the bullet and take Mahomes at 10 if they really believe he has a chance to be a franchise QB.
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