JohnC Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Oh I agree. I was adamant in hiring Jim Bob Cooter to install a modern offense and to help us select a QB for that system. I have been on board with the Pegulas committing $$$ to hiring the very best QB scouts and coaches including a QB czar that would be empowered to bring in a franchise QB by looking at every QB in the next 3 drafts. Bills don't put resources in the position and all the Pegula bucks has brought us nothing other than a 4th round pick at QB since he bought the team 2.5 years ago. You bring up a good point. This organization is not only lackadaisical in addressing the issue but it lacks an ability to evaluate qbs. The Bills have allowed good qb prospects that are available after the first round pass by. For a team that hasn't had a franchise qb in more than a generation it makes absolutely no sense. Russell Wilson, Cousins and Dak Prescott could have been available in the third round. Carr and Bridgewater could have been available with trade downs in the first round. It's just not the Bills way. It is a Jauron/Levy conservative approach to running a team that is. It's not an act of recklessness to take a calculated risk on a qb with a high round pick. The reality is that you are taking calculated risks with all the players you draft regardless of position. Until the qb position is upgraded, even if it is with a prospect playing behind a bridge qb, the status of this team is going to remain the same.
Marty McFly Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 These guys break it down thanks for posting that. very cool ****.
Prickly Pete Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Why do you think the Raiders would trade him? They know better than anyone else how good he is and can be. Next season he might become the backup. There is no incentive for them to trade him unless it was for a first round pick. In a couple of years when his contract comes up he might become an asset to parlay because they already have a franchise qb. But as it stands the Bills would have to give up at least a second round pick for a qb they haven't seen play. I strongly believe that this lumbering franchise has to take an initiative and get their own qb prospect. Would I give up a second round pick for him? Yes. But if you know how the Bills operate it is not something they would do. Whaley and his staff are more comfortable following their forsaken draft board rather than do whatever it takes to address their biggest need. Ask yourself why the Bills have not had a franchise qb for twenty years? Ask yourself why the Bills in a parity system have not been in the playoffs for 18 years. It's what they do. The record reflects it. Yes, they should give up a conditional 2nd today, because he could be their Bret Favre. Maybe there will be a guy that the Raiders really covet, that they can get during the draft with the Bills help, or some scenario like that. He was obviously drafted to develop as trade bait. Christ, he already looks better coached, with more nuance to his game, than anyone on the Bills roster. What's the worst that could happen, people laugh at them? They already do! I don't usually post what I think the Bills WILL do, but what I think they SHOULD do. I don't think he would be ready to start this season, but after next season I think he will be. But of course, the Bills will have invested in some other QB by then. I'm working with prayers, and voodoo magic (and establishing my support for Cook, so that a few seasons from now, I can say "I told you!"). I know it's not much, but there isn't much else to do on this board, because this team has sucked for so long. It keeps me interested. Edited February 23, 2017 by HoF Watkins
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 I'm working with prayers, and voodoo magic (and establishing my support for Cook, so that a few seasons from now, I can say "I told you!"). I know it's not much, but there isn't much else to do on this board, because this team has sucked for so long. It keeps me interested. I hear that Thanks for an outside the box option at QB.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Appears to throw a bit sidearm, which doesn't work in the NFL. But he has a quick release, good footwork, and appears accurate. Roll the dice enough times and you might get lucky. But it's the Bills.
Manther Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 You have to take him at the right place. If other NFL teams view him as a late 1st/early 2nd round pick you cannot take him at 10. Trade back to 18-24 and get another 2nd round pick. None of us have the actual boards for NFL teams but indications are that Mahomes can be had cheaper than that. That's isn't true. You like him, you take him at 10.If this guy is your QB the next 15 years, who cares if you take him 15 spots too high. Trade back to 25 and watch someone jump to 24 ahead of you, this board would blow upAgreed
Prickly Pete Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 That's isn't true. You like him, you take him at 10. Agreed Yeah, I'll never understand that. If you believe in him, take him when you can. This team can't afford to play those kind of games with the QB position.
Mark Vader Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Everyone is always saying BPA, BPA, BPA. That's how the winning franchises draft. Now, this year, I haven't heard a peep about drafting the BPA. Just extend TT or draft Watson or Trubisky or trade down and take Mahomes. With that said, I will ask the more learned and wise ones out there--who will be the BPA at 10? WR (Williams), Safety (Adams--please! or Hooker), or Corner (Humphrey, Lattimore) or is it QB with Mahomes (or Watson or Trubisky), All positions of need and it seems like the consensus is that the BPA is not a QB but will rather be one of the others and that that player will likely be at least a damn good plug and play starter for a number of years, a starter with one pro bowl year or a multiple pro bowler (all assumimg the medical staff has been replaced!). Why draft purely based on need when one of our needs will be the BPA. The stars are aligned (because we have so many needs!) so why screw it up? There is no franchise QB and we have the option to sign, i.e., extend the contract of, the best FA QB (who is likewise not a franchise QB but who can be here two more years at an avg salary for a starting QB--crazy but true, look at Sportrac--and who can compete for a wild card with some healthy WRs, a RT via FA who isn't a turnstile and a bettter defense--via draft picks this year and last years' being healthy for the entire offseason). Draft a QB late, continue to develop CJ and maybe we hit the QB lottery next year (I'm now with the draft a QB each year until, we hit--but let's not reach--never seems to work for any team). Thanks for letting me share! I'll say it. Draft BPA! And in my opinion, the BPA for us is not a QB from this draft.
ice2145 Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 If the Bills reach and draft this guy at 10 we will be laughed at just like the EJ pick. This guy is a 3rd rounder at best. Stop trying to make this guy something he's not.
nucci Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 This kid is unbelievable and definitely worth the #10 pick. He's mobile. He's well built. He can make Aaron Rodgers type throws. Right now people are getting mocked for suggesting that Mahomes is a first rounder...that will change as we get closer to the draft. When you watch Mahomes it is impossible to not be impresssed. His naysayers argument is that he's a 'air raid system QB.' Again, so was Aaron Rodgers. All I know is this--Mahomes makes unbelievable throws that put his receivers in great position for YAC. Mahomes routinely keeps eyes downfield when scrambling. Mahomes makes reads as is evident by his turning his head to the other side of the field when his 1 and 2 aren't open. This guy is unbelievable. He's the total package. I promise, if you're not yet familiar with him you will be soon because this kid will 'shoot up draft boards' post combine. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means
Chandler#81 Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means hmmm.. I think Aaron Rodgers makes unbelievable throws. If this kid can indeed throw like AR, it would be unbelievable if we didn't take him at #10!
CountryCletus Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Described on Sirius NFL radio as a bigger version of Manziel without the problems.... said that he should be a 5th round pick but will be taken higher. I'm cool with him in the 4th
jeffismagic Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Described on Sirius NFL radio as a bigger version of Manziel without the problems.... said that he should be a 5th round pick but will be taken higher. I'm cool with him in the 4th And who had that terrible take?
CountryCletus Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 And who had that terrible take? Bill Polian... but he doesn't know anything...
Blokestradamus Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Bill Polian... but he doesn't know anything... The more I see quotes attributed to him, the more I worry about his health. I think he's losing his capacity. Stark contrast between what Bill was and what he is.
jeffismagic Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Bill Polian... but he doesn't know anything... Well, in Buffalo Jim Kelly was already here. His claim to fame with QB's was using the #1 overall pick on Peyton Manning. So he has no record of finding QB gems later than the first overall pick. He also thinks Chad Kelly is the most talented QB in this draft who is a lot close to Manziel for the wrong reasons than Mahomes. It's terrible to compare any QB prospect to Manziel unless that prospect has personal problems. Edited February 23, 2017 by jeffismagic
Maury Ballstein Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Appears to throw a bit sidearm, which doesn't work in the NFL. But he has a quick release, good footwork, and appears accurate. Roll the dice enough times and you might get lucky. But it's the Bills. Worked for Rivers and Kosar.
jeffismagic Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Worked for Rivers and Kosar. Bills would be so lucky to get a QB of that caliber.
aristocrat Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 The more I see quotes attributed to him, the more I worry about his health. I think he's losing his capacity. Stark contrast between what Bill was and what he is. yup, and he could only win one title with manning cause bill couldn't field a defense
apuszczalowski Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Well his football intelligence should come into question, he says he wants to be drafted by the Browns.......
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