GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 The list of QB's without a flaw is miniscule and thinking you are going to find him in a down QB draft year while risking a top 10 offense is simply not analyzing the situation rationally. This team is an improved defense, WR and a kicker away from the playoffs this coming year and we may already have most of the pieces in place on defense and a scheme change would do the trick. Unfortunately it doesnt seem to me that Whaley is in board with my thinking as blowing it up this year probably gets him 2 more years. Pegula's simply are to trusting of people that are manipulating the situation to keep getting a paycheck for as long as possible. See you keep bringing this back to Tyrod. I was on about why USC Quarterbacks fail. This is why I believe the Tyrod fans are cultish. Every argument seems to end up to them as a justification for keeping Tyrod Taylor. I know Ryan Billz is the opposite but it makes for a debate of irrational extremes. A proper analysis of the Bills QB situation, in my mind, leads one to the conclusion that this is finely balanced decision.
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 See you keep bringing this back to Tyrod. I was on about why USC Quarterbacks fail. This is why I believe the Tyrod fans are cultish. Every argument seems to end up to them as a justification for keeping Tyrod Taylor. I know Ryan Billz is the opposite but it makes for a debate of irrational extremes. A proper analysis of the Bills QB situation, in my mind, leads one to the conclusion that this is finely balanced decision. Typical Tyrod haters response to turn every mention of Tyrod into a cult. You asked me how we should proceed at QB and I told you and you spin it this way when I am simply explaining the whys of the direction you asked me to give. think I explained myself well enough to show my stance is to go with Tyrod this season and then move on if it doesnt work out. I certainly explained why I think he will improve and why I think the offense will regress without him. Why do the haters always turn any rational discussion into anything positive said means we are cultish? IS it they can't argue on the basis of our points?
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Typical Tyrod haters response to turn every mention of Tyrod into a cult. You asked me how we should proceed at QB and I told you and you spin it this way when I am simply explaining the whys of the direction you asked me to give. think I explained myself well enough to show my stance is to go with Tyrod this season and then move on if it doesnt work out. I certainly explained why I think he will improve and why I think the offense will regress without him. Why do the haters always turn any rational discussion into anything positive said means we are cultish? IS it they can't argue on the basis of our points? I am not a Tyrod hater. And I have answered rationally why I don't think we can expect much if any improvement. I have always said the only option that likely makes us better than Tyrod in 2017 is Romo - I just don't think that is the basis on which we should be taking this decision. I'm confused about why you jumped back to Tyrod after the discussion about Darnold. You jumped straight back to "almost no Quarterbacks are without faults... that is why we should keep Tyrod." Which is a logical fallacy if ever I saw one.
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2017 Author Posted February 9, 2017 Why does any criticism of Tyrod or interest in improving at the QB position make one a "hater"? I will never understand this. He is not at the level of an unquestioned starter in the NFL. It's ok to point out where he's not cutting it. It doesn't make it "hate".
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 I am not a Tyrod hater. And I have answered rationally why I don't think we can expect much if any improvement. I have always said the only option that likely makes us better than Tyrod in 2017 is Romo - I just don't think that is the basis on which we should be taking this decision. I'm confused about why you jumped back to Tyrod after the discussion about Darnold. You jumped straight back to "almost no Quarterbacks are without faults... that is why we should keep Tyrod." Which is a logical fallacy if ever I saw one. Of course you aren't... But you lump everyone saying one thing positive about Taylor as a cult member. I am curious why you can do that and are outraged when others do the same back. Romo ? Seriously you are projecting that you get the 2014 version of Romo or the current broken down version? Quite a risk no? You talked about FLAWED QB's as if QB's without flaws were not the EXTREME exception. And again you are reading into my posts WHAT YOU WANT TO you appear far to smart to be doing that without it being purposeful.
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 I am not a Tyrod hater. And I have answered rationally why I don't think we can expect much if any improvement. I have always said the only option that likely makes us better than Tyrod in 2017 is Romo - I just don't think that is the basis on which we should be taking this decision. I'm confused about why you jumped back to Tyrod after the discussion about Darnold. You jumped straight back to "almost no Quarterbacks are without faults... that is why we should keep Tyrod." Which is a logical fallacy if ever I saw one. Don't let him off the mat Gunner! Why does any criticism of Tyrod or interest in improving at the QB position make one a "hater"? I will never understand this. He is not at the level of an unquestioned starter in the NFL. It's ok to point out where he's not cutting it. It doesn't make it "hate". C'mon Yolo, you were here for EJ. You know how it goes with QB's. Some folks get star struck.
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Of course you aren't... But you lump everyone saying one thing positive about Taylor as a cult member. I am curious why you can do that and are outraged when others do the same back. Romo ? Seriously you are projecting that you get the 2014 version of Romo or the current broken down version? Quite a risk no? You talked about FLAWED QB's as if QB's without flaws were not the EXTREME exception. And again you are reading into my posts WHAT YOU WANT TO you appear far to smart to be doing that without it being purposeful. Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade. I don't think the chances of Darnold succeeding or not in the NFL are related in any way to Tyrod and it was when you seemed to make that link that I said it appeared cultish. I understand people responding in an aggressively defensive manner to Ryan Billz because he does throw the bait out there.... but there is a serious decision for the Bills to make on Tyrod and there are sensible arguments on both sides. I just get horribly frustrated when the debate descends into silly extremes.
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade. I don't think the chances of Darnold succeeding or not in the NFL are related in any way to Tyrod and it was when you seemed to make that link that I said it appeared cultish. I understand people responding in an aggressively defensive manner to Ryan Billz because he does throw the bait out there.... but there is a serious decision for the Bills to make on Tyrod and there are sensible arguments on both sides. I just get horribly frustrated when the debate descends into silly extremes. Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade You state this as if it isn't an ENORMUS RISK for the Bills to take on and also state it as if in all likelihood he will return to 2014 form. Kind of cavalier no considering the consequences?
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Romo is a risk - sure, but if he is healthy he is an upgrade You state this as if it isn't an ENORMUS RISK for the Bills to take on and also state it as if in all likelihood he will return to 2014 form. Kind of cavalier no considering the consequences? The consequences are we suck in 2017 and are in position to take a shot at a Quarterback in the supposedly strong 2018 class. If the Bills traded for Romo and he got hurt they sucked in 2017 and wanted to cut him his dead cap in 2018 is $3.2m (because the guaranteed bonus stays with the Cowboys). Tyrod's dead cap if they want to move on after 2017 is $14m. I actually think Romo is a big short term risk (in terms of playoff chances next season) but a smaller long term risk.
RyanC883 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Get him. Either he backs up TT while Jones gets ready to be a number 2--or he plays while a rookie learns behind him. The Steelers had a McCown type guy and a backup rookie back in 2004. Maddox and Big Ben..
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Get him. Either he backs up TT while Jones gets ready to be a number 2--or he plays while a rookie learns behind him. The Steelers had a McCown type guy and a backup rookie back in 2004. Maddox and Big Ben.. Was Maddox the XFL guy?
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 The consequences are we suck in 2017 and are in position to take a shot at a Quarterback in the supposedly strong 2018 class. If the Bills traded for Romo and he got hurt they sucked in 2017 and wanted to cut him his dead cap in 2018 is $3.2m (because the guaranteed bonus stays with the Cowboys). Tyrod's dead cap if they want to move on after 2017 is $14m. I actually think Romo is a big short term risk (in terms of playoff chances next season) but a smaller long term risk. How do those numbers work if he comes to the Bills and renegotiates his contract? I think it is Pollyanna to think he comes here under existing terms.
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 How do those numbers work if he comes to the Bills and renegotiates his contract? I think it is Pollyanna to think he comes here under existing terms. Well I don't know that until it happens and I don't think Romo will end up here regardless. I was just making the point (it was actually intended as a pro keeping Tyrod point) that unless it is Romo the likely replacement is not as good in 2017.
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 How do those numbers work if he comes to the Bills and renegotiates his contract? I think it is Pollyanna to think he comes here under existing terms. What kind of contract do you think he'll demand? I find it curious that folks who say Romo is poison, hurt often, a huge mistake, etc etc seem to think he's gonna get a crazy contract.
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 What kind of contract do you think he'll demand? I find it curious that folks who say Romo is poison, hurt often, a huge mistake, etc etc seem to think he's gonna get a crazy contract. What makes you think he'd come to Buffalo given other options without Buffalo giving him the best contract? Is it the great weather the second half of the season ? Is it the chance to show everybody he still has it to win the Super Bowl and will come to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 16 years vs a team like Arizona, Houston or Denver? You find it curious??? I find it curious and somewhat deluded that some can come to the conclusion that A. He reverts to 2014 form after all his injuries B. He comes to a team with the 4th best shot AT BEST of making a run next year without getting crazy Dollars
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 What makes you think he'd come to Buffalo given other options without Buffalo giving him the best contract? Is it the great weather the second half of the season ? Is it the chance to show everybody he still has it to win the Super Bowl and will come to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 16 years vs a team like Arizona, Houston or Denver? You find it curious??? I find it curious and somewhat deluded that some can come to the conclusion that A. He reverts to 2014 form after all his injuries B. He comes to a team with the 4th best shot AT BEST of making a run next year without getting crazy Dollars Best is relative. What do you think he'd cost to come here? Let's hear it.
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Get him. Either he backs up TT while Jones gets ready to be a number 2--or he plays while a rookie learns behind him. The Steelers had a McCown type guy and a backup rookie back in 2004. Maddox and Big Ben.. Which is a great situation..... when you've just drafted Big Ben. Anyway, Big Ben had 13 starts and 13 wins in his rookie season, so....Maddox was great at bringing Ben Gatorade. Best is relative. What do you think he'd cost to come here? Let's hear it. 400 quatloos for the newcomer..
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 What makes you think he'd come to Buffalo given other options without Buffalo giving him the best contract? Is it the great weather the second half of the season ? Is it the chance to show everybody he still has it to win the Super Bowl and will come to a team that hasn't made the playoffs for 16 years vs a team like Arizona, Houston or Denver? I repeat I don't think Romo comes here.... but Palmer is continuing in 'Zona, and Denver isn't interested. Houston, Chicago and the Jets are the realistic competition.
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 I repeat I don't think Romo comes here.... but Palmer is continuing in 'Zona, and Denver isn't interested. Houston, Chicago and the Jets are the realistic competition. Houston makes the most sense for many reasons.
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Houston makes the most sense for many reasons. They are the most cap stretched so not really.
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