Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Zeke is great, but his impact pales in comparison to a good QB. That's just the way it is.He was one of the best few players in football (finished 3rd in MVP voting). Dak had a nice year but Zeke is the reason that they were dominant. There's s difference between good and great players. I like Dak quite a bit and in just about any other year he'd be deserving. Zeke's season that was better than the best season numerous HOF backs (Riggins, Bettis, etc...). Dak had one of the best years a rookie QB has ever had. Zeke had a year that ranks with the best any RB has ever had. That's the difference IMO. Zeke's season is a top 30 or so season all-time for a RB (maybe higher). Dak's isn't a top 200 all-time. Edited February 5, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 Makes the Chargers look even more like it's run by chumps. The really hassled this kid. Also, MANY opinionators made to look silly saying he was suffering for missing camp. Good for him. Too bad he's stuck in that organization.
FireChan Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 He was one of the best few players in football (finished 3rd in MVP voting). Dak had a nice year but Zeke is the reason that they were dominant. There's s difference between good and great players. I like Dak quite a bit and in just about any other year he'd be deserving. Zeke's season that was better than the best season numerous HOF backs (Riggins, Bettis, etc...). Dak had one of the best years a rookie QB has ever had. Zeke had a year that ranks with the best any RB has ever had. That's the difference IMO. Zeke's season is a top 30 or so season all-time for a RB (maybe higher). Dak's isn't a top 200 all-time. Zeke puts out 3 more years like that and he'll go in the HoF before TO.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 Zeke puts out 3 more years like that and he'll go in the HoF before TO.Ha ha
JohnC Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 He was one of the best few players in football (finished 3rd in MVP voting). Dak had a nice year but Zeke is the reason that they were dominant. There's s difference between good and great players. I like Dak quite a bit and in just about any other year he'd be deserving. Zeke's season that was better than the best season numerous HOF backs (Riggins, Bettis, etc...). Dak had one of the best years a rookie QB has ever had. Zeke had a year that ranks with the best any RB has ever had. That's the difference IMO. Zeke's season is a top 30 or so season all-time for a RB (maybe higher). Dak's isn't a top 200 all-time. I fully agree with you that Zeke is the better player and more talented player than Dak. Zeke even as a rookie is in the lofty Peterson talent category for RBs. But I disagree (respectfully but strenuously) with you on who is the more important player for the Cowboys. Dak competently taking over the qb position when Romo got hurt was what allowed the Cowboys to have a successful season. I have no doubt (I'm sure you disagree) that if the Cowboys could have one or the other player they would take the qb. I have previously used the same analogy with the Raiders. There is no doubt Kalil Mack is an all-pro caliber of player while Carr is a good qb. If you rank the talent levels for the respective positions Mack ranks demonstrably higher. But as far as importance to the team Carr is immensely more important. Again, if you ask the Raiders which player they would prefer to keep if they had to make a choice undoubtedly it would be the qb.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 I fully agree with you that Zeke is the better player and more talented player than Dak. Zeke even as a rookie is in the lofty Peterson talent category for RBs. But I disagree (respectfully but strenuously) with you on who is the more important player for the Cowboys. Dak competently taking over the qb position when Romo got hurt was what allowed the Cowboys to have a successful season. I have no doubt (I'm sure you disagree) that if the Cowboys could have one or the other player they would take the qb. I have previously used the same analogy with the Raiders. There is no doubt Kalil Mack is an all-pro caliber of player while Carr is a good qb. If you rank the talent levels for the respective positions Mack ranks demonstrably higher. But as far as importance to the team Carr is immensely more important. Again, if you ask the Raiders which player they would prefer to keep if they had to make a choice undoubtedly it would be the qb. I will never disagree that the QB isn't more important. The award to me is "who was the best player?" Zeke was the better player.
YoloinOhio Posted February 6, 2017 Author Posted February 6, 2017 For those who admit they were wrong about Bosa, I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought he wouldn't be a great NFL player. It was more than few people who thought this, not just on this board. I just don't get it.
Cereal Posted February 6, 2017 Posted February 6, 2017 For those who admit they were wrong about Bosa, I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought he wouldn't be a great NFL player. It was more than few people who thought this, not just on this board. I just don't get it. I was just coming here to say I was wrong about him, too (not that I explicitly stated it pre-draft). I honestly thought he was undersized and didn't have enough speed to make up for it. But I just looked back and he's apparently 6'5" and 270#, so I don't know where I got my perception from
YoloinOhio Posted February 6, 2017 Author Posted February 6, 2017 I was just coming here to say I was wrong about him, too (not that I explicitly stated it pre-draft). I honestly thought he was undersized and didn't have enough speed to make up for it. But I just looked back and he's apparently 6'5" and 270#, so I don't know where I got my perception from he played at 290 in college because he played inside and outside on the DL, and actually lost weight pre-combine to try and run faster. He did both DE and LB drills. He ended up staying at 270 once he was drafted by SD because he was going to OLB in a 3-4. Not sure what Gus Bradley will do with him in the 4-3 - LEO? But he shouldn't mess much with what worked last year imo.
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