Report: Browns will try to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo

[Augie]

Remember when Kelly was a QB one day, then hard to watch the next? It can happen fast, even with A-Rod style "supplements" and/or a certain Canadian doctor, though that certainly is extending the shelf life.

[Mr. WEO]

 

 

I'll readily admit that Belichick is the best in the business. But the way some on this board view him as a guy who never does anything wrong is incredibly annoying. He dumps guys like Jones and Collins not because they can't play, but because he doesn't want to pay them. His track record drafting WRs and RBs clearly shows the guy doesn't walk on water.

 

 

 

 

Despite all of that, how has it worked out for him? Can't draft WR and RB? No problem. Dumps guys like Jones and Collins? Both will be watching their former team in the SB doing perfectly fine without him.

 

Where is the evidence that those are "wrong" moves? It's a strange criticism.

[PatsFanNH]

The Browns have signed Collins to a 4 year extension already. The Pats will get the Browns 3rd round comp pick for him. The Browns have picks 1, 12, 33, 52 & 65 through the first three rounds. If they do offer anything for JG it won't include a first.

Unless you work in the Browns front office, you don't know WHAT they will offer. (Neither do I it's pure speculation.. but seeing as how they gave up a 3rd for Collins in a position a lot less valuable and NOT the face of the Franchise insay they give up #12 pick. I don't know why that sounds awful IMO he is a more known commodity than any of the QBs in the draft and I dare say if he came out this year he been top 5 draft pick. (That's how weak the QB class is.)

 

Again pure speculation on my part too.

[ice2145]

 

Who was the last career backup QB who was traded for a 1st round pick?

Not sure garapolo quailifies as a "career backup." Just curious what do you think he's worth? I saw Bill Polllian on ESPN saying he is worth a 1 and a 2 or 1 and a 3. I almost fell out of my chair in disbelief but after listening to his rational he made sense. I myself would give up our first round pick for him in a heart beat.

Edited February 2, 2017 by ice2145

[PatsFanNH]

 

Who was the last career backup QB who was traded for a 1st round pick?

Hmm that's a good question.. i think Atlanta gave 2 2nds and Swapped 1st round picks for Shaub. That's a HUGE haul of picks and IMO more than just a 1st round pick when you have 2.

[YoloinOhio]

Remember when Kelly was a QB one day, then hard to watch the next? It can happen fast, even with A-Rod style "supplements" and/or a certain Canadian doctor, though that certainly is extending the shelf life.

Same thing with Manning though some blame the neck injury. I think at some point the arm just goes and they are more susceptible to injury. Manning never missed a snap all those years and then all of a sudden he's getting high ankle sprains, etc. It seems Brady has avoided these things, somehow.

 

Favre kind of fell off sharply too imo, though he played until he was pretty old. His style of play probably didn't help. Makes me think Big Ben isn't playing until he's 40.

Edited February 2, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[BarleyNY]

Unless you work in the Browns front office, you don't know WHAT they will offer. (Neither do I it's pure speculation.. but seeing as how they gave up a 3rd for Collins in a position a lot less valuable and NOT the face of the Franchise insay they give up #12 pick. I don't know why that sounds awful IMO he is a more known commodity than any of the QBs in the draft and I dare say if he came out this year he been top 5 draft pick. (That's how weak the QB class is.)

Again pure speculation on my part too.

The Browns gave up a 3rd round comp pick for Collins. If they hadn't re-signed him, they'd be in line for a 3rd round comp pick next season. That's not exactly free spending. The speculation in the media is coming from Pats' shill Jason LaCanfora and its sole purpose is to drive up value for JG. Mary Kay Cabot simply recycled his "report" of Browns interest because, quite frankly, that's all she does.

 

Also, I'm from Cleveland and I do know a lot of people there. Some are even in the know with the Browns. I can give you this much: the Browns haven't even decided on their direction concerning QB in 2017 and that includes any decision on whether or not to pursue a trade for JG. Anyone saying they know what they'll do in this regard, be it JLC, MKC or anyone else is full of ****.

 

From my personal observation, the thought of giving up the 12th pick for a second round prospect with precious little gametape and who is on the last year of his rookie deal would be beyond asinine. It's just wishful thinking by Cheatriots fans and media hype coming from the team.

[PatsFanNH]

The Browns gave up a 3rd round comp pick for Collins. If they hadn't re-signed him, they'd be in line for a 3rd round comp pick next season. That's not exactly free spending. The speculation in the media is coming from Pats' shill Jason LaCanfora and its sole purpose is to drive up value for JG. Mary Kay Cabot simply recycled his "report" of Browns interest because, quite frankly, that's all she does.

 

Also, I'm from Cleveland and I do know a lot of people there. Some are even in the know with the Browns. I can give you this much: the Browns haven't even decided on their direction concerning QB in 2017 and that includes any decision on whether or not to pursue a trade for JG. Anyone saying they know what they'll do in this regard, be it JLC, MKC or anyone else is full of ****.

 

From my personal observation, the thought of giving up the 12th pick for a second round prospect with precious little gametape and who is on the last year of his rookie deal would be beyond asinine. It's just wishful thinking by Cheatriots fans and media hype coming from the team.

I made my rational for it. Of course that's assuming they feel a need for a QB. If you look at the class for QB JG is a much better QB than all of them when he came out 3 years ago.

 

That said I am happy if the Pats trade or keep him. I don't mind having a damn good backup just in case Brady gets hurt. I also think the media pumping up that the Pats want to trade him, I think they would but not unless it was a damn sweet deal for them.

 

Hell I hear Texans fans saying offer Clowney and a 2nd for him... I have also heard SF wanted him as well...

[BarleyNY]

I made my rational for it. Of course that's assuming they feel a need for a QB. If you look at the class for QB JG is a much better QB than all of them when he came out 3 years ago.

That said I am happy if the Pats trade or keep him. I don't mind having a damn good backup just in case Brady gets hurt. I also think the media pumping up that the Pats want to trade him, I think they would but not unless it was a damn sweet deal for them.

Hell I hear Texans fans saying offer Clowney and a 2nd for him... I have also heard SF wanted him as well...

Well, you know, good luck with that.

[YoloinOhio]

The Browns gave up a 3rd round comp pick for Collins. If they hadn't re-signed him, they'd be in line for a 3rd round comp pick next season. That's not exactly free spending. The speculation in the media is coming from Pats' shill Jason LaCanfora and its sole purpose is to drive up value for JG. Mary Kay Cabot simply recycled his "report" of Browns interest because, quite frankly, that's all she does.

 

Also, I'm from Cleveland and I do know a lot of people there. Some are even in the know with the Browns. I can give you this much: the Browns haven't even decided on their direction concerning QB in 2017 and that includes any decision on whether or not to pursue a trade for JG. Anyone saying they know what they'll do in this regard, be it JLC, MKC or anyone else is full of ****.

 

From my personal observation, the thought of giving up the 12th pick for a second round prospect with precious little gametape and who is on the last year of his rookie deal would be beyond asinine. It's just wishful thinking by Cheatriots fans and media hype coming from the team.

i don't know if you ever stream 92.3 the Fan from The Land but Bull and Fox is one of my favorite radio shows. Dustin Fox (former Buckeye/Bills CB) is relentless with wanting this Jimmy G deal to go down! Edited February 2, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Beef Jerky]

At least the Browns will one day surpass the Bills in playoff drought.

[PatsFanNH]

Well, you know, good luck with that.

Hey man I'm just enjoying the ride.

 

Only other thing I wanted to add is you say "2nd round prospect" and I disagree with that assessment solely because you can't go by the class 3 years ago but rather this class. In this class he would have broken the 1st round easily (IMO). Also 3 years ago everyone thought the Pats got a STEAL when they landed him in the 2nd round.

[Mr. WEO]

Not sure garapolo quailifies as a "career backup." Just curious what do you think he's worth? I saw Bill Polllian on ESPN saying he is worth a 1 and a 2 or 1 and a 3. I almost fell out of my chair in disbelief but after listening to his rational he made sense. I myself would give up our first round pick for him in a heart beat.

 

He is a career backup so far.

 

I guess the baseball clown and the lawyer running the Browns now, along with their goofball shyster owner would be dumb enough to offer up a first for this kid.

[Chuck Wagon]

 

Despite all of that, how has it worked out for him? Can't draft WR and RB? No problem. Dumps guys like Jones and Collins? Both will be watching their former team in the SB doing perfectly fine without him.

 

Where is the evidence that those are "wrong" moves? It's a strange criticism.

 

 

My comment was in response to someone claiming every time the Patriots get rid of someone they immediately see diminished performance. There are plenty of guys BB has moved on from who can still play. They almost always get good draft pick compensation out of it. I never intended it to sound like he did something wrong in moving those guys, just that he's not the used car salesman selling you a lemon like some would believe.

[FireChan]

 

Despite all of that, how has it worked out for him? Can't draft WR and RB? No problem. Dumps guys like Jones and Collins? Both will be watching their former team in the SB doing perfectly fine without him.

 

Where is the evidence that those are "wrong" moves? It's a strange criticism.

And if the Pats let up 38 to Matty Ice and lose in a shootout, he'll be criticized for placing long-term thinking over short-term victories.

 

Collins and Jones are still good players. If the defense plays at a high level consistently without them, they're good moves. If they don't, doubts will creep.

 

BB is still the best HC of all time either way, but he's fallible. Getting a unilateral "it was a good move because they made the Super Bowl like they've done 6 times before" is nonsense. Pay Revis, good move. Don't pay him, good move. Kinda stupid to think like that. Talib is still playing at a very high level and they let him go for a cheap Revis rental that they passed on only 1 year later. Would they have maybe done better in 2015 keeping Talib? Would the Broncos have been as good without Talib when they faced each other in the AFCCG?

Edited February 2, 2017 by FireChan

[PatsFanNH]

And if the Pats let up 38 to Matty Ice and lose in a shootout, he'll be criticized for placing long-term thinking over short-term victories.

 

Collins and Jones are still good players. If the defense plays at a high level consistently without them, they're good moves. If they don't, doubts will creep.

 

BB is still the best HC of all time either way, but he's fallible. Getting a unilateral "it was a good move because they made the Super Bowl like they've done 6 times before" is nonsense. Pay Revis, good move. Don't pay him, good move. Kinda stupid to think like that.

Both moves were shockers even for us up here in NE, but no one up here will question the moves if they lose in a shoot out. The stats still showed one of the best D in the league all year. (Sadly most of the WBs in the AFC are God awful.)

 

But what happens if they shut the Falcons D down and win in a blowout. Say 34-17... will people then be saying he is a super D genius again?

[Mr. WEO]

 

 

My comment was in response to someone claiming every time the Patriots get rid of someone they immediately see diminished performance. There are plenty of guys BB has moved on from who can still play. They almost always get good draft pick compensation out of it. I never intended it to sound like he did something wrong in moving those guys, just that he's not the used car salesman selling you a lemon like some would believe.

 

The fact that they don't miss a beat because he lets go of guys that can still play is proof that his method works.

 

And if the Pats let up 38 to Matty Ice and lose in a shootout, he'll be criticized for placing long-term thinking over short-term victories.

 

Collins and Jones are still good players. If the defense plays at a high level consistently without them, they're good moves. If they don't, doubts will creep.

 

BB is still the best HC of all time either way, but he's fallible. Getting a unilateral "it was a good move because they made the Super Bowl like they've done 6 times before" is nonsense. Pay Revis, good move. Don't pay him, good move. Kinda stupid to think like that. Talib is still playing at a very high level and they let him go for a cheap Revis rental that they passed on only 1 year later. Would they have maybe done better in 2015 keeping Talib? Would the Broncos have been as good without Talib when they faced each other in the AFCCG?

 

I think saying that giving up 38 to Matty Ice because he let those two guys go is more silly. So is saying Talib (a really good CB) was the difference for either team last year and the reason for their different outcomes.

 

There were other reasons than money they got rid of at least one of those guys, but the point is it doesn't matter--their Defense led the NFL (by a large margin) in lowest PPG allowed...that's a consistently high level.

 

Their team performance did not suffer without them. That's obvious. So faulting him for letting them go (and others before them) doesn't work as a criticism.

[auburnbillsbacker]

The guys on ESPN are speculating the deal would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a 2nd round pick this year and a conditional pick next year that would either be a 2nd or a 3rd. If another team or two got involved and a bidding war began the Browns might have to part ways with one of their first rounds picks. I have no idea how close to reality this speculation will be.

[FireChan]

Both moves were shockers even for us up here in NE, but no one up here will question the moves if they lose in a shoot out. The stats still showed one of the best D in the league all year. (Sadly most of the WBs in the AFC are God awful.)

 

But what happens if they shut the Falcons D down and win in a blowout. Say 34-17... will people then be saying he is a super D genius again?

No one will question ditching high quality defensive players for future picks if their defensive play sucks in the Super Bowl? You sure about that?

 

 

The fact that they don't miss a beat because he lets go of guys that can still play is proof that his method works.

 

I think saying that giving up 38 to Matty Ice because he let those two guys go is more silly. So is saying Talib (a really good CB) was the difference for either team last year and the reason for their different outcomes.

 

There were other reasons than money they got rid of at least one of those guys, but the point is it doesn't matter--their Defense led the NFL (by a large margin) in lowest PPG allowed...that's a consistently high level.

 

Their team performance did not suffer without them. That's obvious. So faulting him for letting them go (and others before them) doesn't work as a criticism.

Because he let those guys go? Maybe not. But if Collins could've been the reason for one more big 3rd down stop that they don't get, or one big run etc etc, there's questions there to be asked.

 

Talib being matched with CHJ on the Bronocs was absolutely a key reason for their defensive dominance. He had 6 passes defensed in the playoffs in 2015. You think Denver doesn't miss a beat without him?

 

If the defensive performance suffers in the Super Bowl, questions will be raised about letting one of your best defensive players go for a 3rd round pick on a year he could have contributed. How can you argue otherwise?

 

That's like saying if the Bills let TT go and the offense doesn't play as well in a game they need to make the postseason, Whaley wouldn't be criticized or at least openly questioned. That's ludicrous.

Edited February 2, 2017 by FireChan

[PatsFanNH]

No one will question ditching high quality defensive players for future picks if their defensive play sucks in the Super Bowl? You sure about that?

 

Because he let those guys go? Maybe not. But if Collins could've been the reason for one more big 3rd down stop that they don't get, or one big run etc etc, there's questions there to be asked.

 

Talib being matched with CHJ on the Bronocs was absolutely a key reason for their defensive dominance. He had 6 passes defensed in the playoffs in 2015. You think Denver doesn't miss a beat without him?

 

If the defense performance suffers in the Super Bowl, questions will be raised about letting one of your best defensive players go for a 3rd round pick on a year he could have contributed. How can you argue otherwise?

Because it is pure speculation. He also could have been on IR for this game. Also The D played BETTER after he left, I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

As for Jones, that one could be discussed (unlikely) since their pass rush has been eh at best all year.. (why I hope Cleveland goes dumb and gives us #12 pick for Jimmy G. Imagine the stud pass rusher we get then.. drool 😂)