papazoid Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Kelly was surrounded by talent Wil Wilford (3X pro bowl), Jim Richter(2X pro bowl), Kent Hull(3X pro bowl), John Davis, House Ballard(2X pro bowl) Andre Reed(7X pro bowl), james lofton (8X pro bowl), Don Beebe, Pete Metzelaars Thurmond Thomas (5X pro bowl, NFL MVP)
Beef Jerky Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) #2.. who thinks about #2? It was someone else that was bad b.c the Bills only had one really good QB. Edited January 26, 2017 by Beef Jerky
Manther Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Not a knock at you PatsFanNH but I'd be surprised to know how many current Pat's fans can even list 5 of their starting qbs.Agreed
klos63 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Kelly was surrounded by talent Wil Wilford (3X pro bowl), Jim Richter(2X pro bowl), Kent Hull(3X pro bowl), John Davis, House Ballard(2X pro bowl) Andre Reed(7X pro bowl), james lofton (8X pro bowl), Don Beebe, Pete Metzelaars Thurmond Thomas (5X pro bowl, NFL MVP) and 3 of those Pro Bowlers are in the Hall of Fame. Not too shabby an offense, was it? Oh, and Keith McKeller and Kenny Davis too.
Augie Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 1) #12 2) #15 3) #12 4) #12 It's so clear now! We need to draft more #12's!!!!
hondo in seattle Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Flutie is so under rated, he had us in the playoffs two years in a row. Without him there is a good chance the franchise would have moved to LA and the year they cut him loose we were 8 - 8, the gold standard for this bunch today. As Utah John commented, that defense had us in the playoffs, not Flutie. 1999 was arguably Flutie's best year with the Bills. He had a 10-5 record as a starter. He thew for 3171 yards (barely 200 yards per game) - his most as a Bill and the 2nd best yardage total of his long career. Our D was ranked #1 in the league that year. The D allowed a paltry 14.3 points per game. Our O, on the other hand, was pedestrian. We were 16th in the NFL in scoring, managing just 20 points per game. And that's despite a defense that gave the ball to the offense in good field position. To make a modern comparison, when TT was playing with ALynn as OC, the Bills averaged 27 points per game. And that's despite a D that typically gave the ball to the O in bad field position. Edited January 26, 2017 by hondo in seattle
PatsFanNH Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 My opinion ('Modern era'): 1. Kelly 2. Taylor 3. Flutie 4. Bledsoe 5. Fitzpatrick Using PFR's tools: Top 10 'Modern Era' Bills QBs going by Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt Rk Player Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/G Rate ANY/A 1 Tyrod Taylor 62.6 6058 37 4.5 12 1.5 208.9 94.2 6.55 2 Doug Flutie 56.3 7582 47 4.4 30 2.8 194.4 81.7 6.17 3 Jim Kelly 60.1 35467 237 5.0 175 3.7 221.7 84.4 5.86 4 Kyle Orton 64.2 3018 18 4.0 10 2.2 251.5 87.8 5.69 5 Thaddeus Lewis 59.2 1092 4 2.5 3 1.9 182.0 81.0 5.35 6 Ryan Fitzpatrick 59.8 11654 80 4.6 64 3.7 211.9 79.8 5.33 7 Rob Johnson 60.5 4798 27 4.1 17 2.6 159.9 85.5 5.06 8 Drew Bledsoe 59.1 10151 55 3.6 43 2.8 211.5 79.2 5.00 9 Frank Reich 58.9 2540 18 4.8 12 3.2 27.3 81.9 4.99 10 EJ Manuel 58.3 3502 19 3.5 15 2.7 120.8 77.5 4.98 I am a Pats fan but are you trying to say TT is better than Kelly? If so you are very very high.
Augie Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I am a Pats fan but are you trying to say TT is better than Kelly? If so you are very very high. It must be very crowded on the bandwagon!
PatsFanNH Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 It must be very crowded on the bandwagon! There is always room for one more in the empire.. come join the dark side.. we got double chocolate chip cookies! Lol
Augie Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Well, I do LOVE a good cookie! And I'm kinda easy, but I'll pass for now. When Brady finally falls off the cliff I'll be a head of the curve. (I assume even the devil has term limits, right?)
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I am a Pats fan but are you trying to say TT is better than Kelly? If so you are very very high. You clearly didn't read my post if that's what you thought I said.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 He had skills, but rarely took advantage of those skills. He made the most bonehead plays at the most critical times. I've said this many times on here, Jay Cutler is Fergie cloned. For fans too young to have seen him play, just watch Cutler. It's amazing. Super talented, mentally just doesn't have the fortitude and makes horrible decisions. I originally objected to the categorization of "not very good", without getting into a deep semantical argument, I think his record shows better than that. As for Cutler, consulting PFR, I think Joe at his peak had superior normalized passer ratings. He had a couple of especially good seasons at avoiding interceptions. I'm not saying he was a hall of famer, and like anyone else he had his flaws. He did have a tendency to show bad body language at times. I don't think he was as poor a leader as Cutler. I remember him playing with a "severally" injured ankle against SD in the playoffs, and providing inspirational leadership to the team. Cutler OTOH we have all seen him bag out on his team in the playoffs due to more minor injury. Thanks for the interesting dialogue.
klos63 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I originally objected to the categorization of "not very good", without getting into a deep semantical argument, I think his record shows better than that. As for Cutler, consulting PFR, I think Joe at his peak had superior normalized passer ratings. He had a couple of especially good seasons at avoiding interceptions. I'm not saying he was a hall of famer, and like anyone else he had his flaws. He did have a tendency to show bad body language at times. I don't think he was as poor a leader as Cutler. I remember him playing with a "severally" injured ankle against SD in the playoffs, and providing inspirational leadership to the team. Cutler OTOH we have all seen him bag out on his team in the playoffs due to more minor injury. Thanks for the interesting dialogue. His performance against SD in the playoff game with the severally injured ankle was probably his finest hour. If only Charlie Romes picked that Fouts pass off....
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Long term - Kemp Based on one game - Reich
Thurman#1 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 1. Kelly 2. Kemp 3. Ferguson 4. Flutie 5. Taylor 1. Kelly 2. Kemp 3. Ferguson 4. Lamonica 5. Bledsoe 6. Flutie and the rest. Of whom yeah, probably Taylor is the best.
Chandler#81 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Daryle Lamonica , the mad bomber Great choice. He played well enough to split time with Kemp -then was all-world for the Raiders before Stabler. I'll likely get grief here, but its a toss up for me between Fergy and Frank Reich. Both were steady for years, and occasionally great. Frank obviously didn't have as many starts, but he made more out of his starts (with a very talented roster) with game management and TD's to INT's.
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