I Sure Hope That Stupid Wall Gets Built

[keepthefaith]

Tiberius is an idiot. Maybe he would learn something from a beating.

 

 

Doubtful. I have known some very good gluttons for punishment in my life, but he is among the most willing of punching bags.

[meazza]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX

 

 

 

People holding so-called green cards, making them legal permanent U.S. residents, are included in President Donald Trump's executive action temporarily barring people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States, a Department of Homeland security spokeswoman said on Saturday.

"It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email.

[grinreaper]

 

Doubtful. I have known some very good gluttons for punishment in my life, but he is among the most willing of punching bags.

 

 

I'm sure the punishment he gets here saves him a lot of money that he would be spending at Madame X's place.

 

https://www.yelp.com/biz/madame-x-new-york

[DC Tom]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX

 

That truly is horseshit. You have a green card, you have legal status as a resident. The president can't just strip that away at a whim.

[boyst]

guess this means my coworker from Iraq whom came right before GW1 is !@#$ed.

 

the dude rode a bike to work his first 4 years never missing a day, spending every dime he had to get his family here.

 

making america great again 1 idiotic idea after another.

[Deranged Rhino]

That truly is horseshit. You have a green card, you have legal status as a resident. The president can't just strip that away at a whim.

Amen.

[Benjamin Franklin]

That truly is horseshit. You have a green card, you have legal status as a resident. The president can't just strip that away at a whim.

Because executive orders can't overreach.

[Deranged Rhino]

Because executive orders can't overreach.

[GG]

That truly is horseshit. You have a green card, you have legal status as a resident. The president can't just strip that away at a whim.

 

The orange blob apparent;y can.

[FireChan]

Because executive orders can't overreach.

Reap what you sow.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Reap what you sow.

Of course. I posted about it on Obamas watch too. It's a nightmare for all of us.

[B-Man]

EXTREME VETTING, HERE WE COME

 

President Trump began to fulfill one of his signal campaign promises yesterday with the promulgation of an executive order addressing immigration from Muslim countries. The New York Times has posted the text of the executive order here.

 

The order proceeds through a series of cross-reference to other laws that renders it incomprehensible on its own terms. Perhaps improvidently, I take the summary of the order’s operative provisions by Michael Shear and Helene Cooper in the New York Times at face value. See also Carol Morello’s Washington Post story on the order.

 

According to Shear and Cooper, the order suspends the entry of refugees into the United States for 120 days, and Syrians indefinitely. It also suspends immigration from seven Muslim countries for only 90 days, while allegedly ordering priority be given to visas for Christians from Muslim nations (I don’t see the religious preference set forth in the text of the order). The seven Muslim countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

 

Shear and Cooper want to imply that differentiation among faiths for the purposes of the order is unconstitutional. They write: “Mr. Trump also established a religious test for refugees from Muslim nations: He ordered that Christians and others from minority religions be granted priority over Muslims.” The Constitution, however, only bars religious tests for office or “public trust.” (More here.)

 

Might there be a reasonable basis for distinguishing among faiths for purposes of granting visas, refugee status, naturalization and immigration generally? Shear and Cooper don’t raise the question. Indeed, Shear and Cooper argue stupidly with the order throughout their story on it. They can’t help themselves.

 

Information is to be gathered, reviewed and summarized during the periods of suspension so that policy can be conformed to the national interest of the United States. Indeed, the order focuses throughout on the national interest of the United States, as in this provision that will never be quoted in a New York Times story:

 

Sec. 1: …In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country

do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law.

In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

 

 

 

You mean we aren’t already doing this? We must be out of our minds.

 

Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.

 

 

You mean we aren’t already doing this? We must be out of our minds.

Despite its difficulty, the order is worth reviewing in its entirety. The following provision, for example, should resonate with citizens of sound mind:

 

It is the policy of the executive branch that, to the extent permitted by law and as practicable, State and local jurisdictions be granted a role in the process of determining the placement or settlement in their jurisdictions of aliens eligible to be admitted to the United States as refugees. To that end, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall examine existing law to determine the extent to which, consistent with applicable law, State and local jurisdictions may have greater involvement in the process of determining the placement or resettlement of refugees in their jurisdictions, and shall devise a proposal to lawfully promote such involvement.

 

 

 

With Minnesota’s ever growing community of Somali immigrants and refugees, we find the order hitting close to home. The Star Tribune collects critical comments from Somali immigrants without any reference to the, ah, special law enforcement challenges that they have raised — and continue to raise.

 

The reform of visa, refugee and immigration policy implicit in the terms of the executive order are, to say the least, long overdue.

 

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/01/extreme-vetting-here-we-come.php

Edited January 28, 2017 by B-Man

[nucci]

 

Anyone like yourself that doesn't see the merits of securing our southern border by whatever means necessary is an absolute fool.

Illegal immigration is at it's lowest in our history.......Fiscal conservative Republicans who blocked every Obama spending bill will now authorize $12B for a wall that won't help at all?

[Nanker]

Ha! LoL... So vindictive! :-P

And yet you had no problem with B. O. strong arm tactics at all. I recall several times when you posted here cheering him on and rooting for him to shove it to the republicans. Beat them like a rented mule, Barry! You've got the power, use it.

We'll, now the shoe is on the other foot, so suck it.

 

Of course. I posted about it on Obamas watch too. It's a nightmare for all of us.

Most here did the same except for the leftist sycophants, and most who did gave that as a chief reservaation regarding B. O.'s successor. The encroachment of executive power is a clear danger. However it's early use to undo some of the egregious over reaches by Barry is not unwarranted and indeed is necessary IMO.

 

That said, I delighted in the rumination during the campaign of a vision of Attorney General Chris Christie sicking a special prosecutor on Hillary, the Clinton Foundation, Lois Lerner, and others who IMO need to be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

WRT the wall and its payment, how much money gets wire transferred to Mexico from its No Card Citizens who are working here? I'd bet much of it is paid to them under the table without any taxes being paid on it. Why not attach a Federal fee to the export of those monies? Hey, it's a cost of them doing their business here in the states. And if they get caught circumventing this law - they get deported.

[Tiberius]

guess this means my coworker from Iraq whom came right before GW1 is !@#$ed.

 

the dude rode a bike to work his first 4 years never missing a day, spending every dime he had to get his family here.

 

making america great again 1 idiotic idea after another.

That's really sad. This is terrible

[Tiberius]

Justin Trudeau

Justin Trudeau – Verified account ‏@JustinTrudeau

 

To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada

12:20 PM - 28 Jan 2017

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[Maury Ballstein]

Justin Trudeau

Justin Trudeau – Verified account ‏@JustinTrudeau

To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada

12:20 PM - 28 Jan 2017

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Maybe you can find work up there ?

[Tiberius]

Maybe you can find work up there ?

 

so who turns posts personal around here? Don't be a board parasite.

[B-Man]

Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees — Separating Fact from Hysteria
by David French

 

The hysterical rhetoric about President Trump’s executive order on refugees is out of control. Let’s slow down and take a look at the facts.

 

To read the online commentary, one would think that President Trump just fundamentally corrupted the American character. You would think that the executive order on refugees he signed yesterday betrayed America’s Founding ideals. You might even think he banned people from an entire faith from American shores.

 

Just look at the rhetoric. Here’s Chuck Schumer: "Tears are running down the cheeks of the Statue of Liberty tonight."

CNN, doing its best Huffington Post impersonation, ran a headline declaring “Trump bans 134,000,000 from the U.S.” The Huffington Post, outdoing itself, just put the Statue of Liberty upside down on its front page.

 

So, what did Trump do? Did he implement his promised Muslim ban? No, far from it. He backed down dramatically from his campaign promises and instead signed an executive order dominated mainly by moderate refugee restrictions and temporary provisions aimed directly at limiting immigration from jihadist conflict zones.

 

Let’s analyze the key provisions, separate the fact from the hysteria, and introduce just a bit of historical perspective.

 

First, the order temporarily halts refugee admissions for 120 days to improve the vetting process, then caps refugee admissions at 50,000 per year. Outrageous, right? Not so fast. Before 2016, when Obama dramatically ramped up refugee admissions, Trump’s 50,000 stands roughly in between a typical year of refugee admissions in George W. Bush’s two terms and a typical year in Obama’s two terms. The chart below, from the Migration Policy Ins: (AT LINK)

 

The bottom line is that Trump is improving security screening and intends to admit refugees at close to the average rate of the 15 years before Obama’s dramatic expansion in 2016. Obama’s expansion was a departure from recent norms, not Trump’s contraction.

 

Second, the order imposes a temporary, 90-day ban on people entering the U.S. from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. These are countries either torn apart by jihadist violence or under the control of hostile, jihadist governments.

 

The ban is in place while the Department of Homeland Security determines the “information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.” It could, however, be extended or expanded depending on whether countries are capable of providing the requested information.

{snip}

 

However, there are reports that the ban is being applied even to green-card holders. This is madness. The plain language of the order doesn’t apply to legal permanent residents of the U.S., and green-card holders have been through round after round of vetting and security checks. The administration should intervene, immediately, to stop misapplication. If, however, the Trump administration continues to apply the order to legal permanent residents, it should indeed be condemned.

 

Third, Trump’s order also puts an indefinite hold on admission of Syrian refugees to the United States “until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.” This is perhaps the least consequential aspect of his order — and is largely a return to the Obama administration’s practices from 2011 to 2014. For all the Democrats’ wailing and gnashing of teeth, until 2016 the Obama administration had already largely slammed the door on Syrian-refugee admissions.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

[Tiberius]

Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees — Separating Fact from Hysteria

by David French

 

The hysterical rhetoric about President Trump’s executive order on refugees is out of control. Let’s slow down and take a look at the facts.[/size]

 

To read the online commentary, one would think that President Trump just fundamentally corrupted the American character. You would think that the executive order on refugees he signed yesterday betrayed America’s Founding ideals. You might even think he banned people from an entire faith from American shores.[/size]

 

Just look at the rhetoric. Here’s Chuck Schumer: "Tears are running down the cheeks of the Statue of Liberty tonight."[/size]CNN, doing its best Huffington Post impersonation, ran a headline declaring “Trump bans 134,000,000 from the U.S.” The Huffington Post, outdoing itself, just put the Statue of Liberty upside down on its front page. [/size]

 

So, what did Trump do? Did he implement his promised Muslim ban? No, far from it. He backed down dramatically from his campaign promises and instead signed an executive order dominated mainly by moderate refugee restrictions and temporary provisions aimed directly at limiting immigration from jihadist conflict zones. [/size]

 

Let’s analyze the key provisions, separate the fact from the hysteria, and introduce just a bit of historical perspective. [/size]

 

First, the order temporarily halts refugee admissions for 120 days to improve the vetting process, then caps refugee admissions at 50,000 per year. Outrageous, right? Not so fast. Before 2016, when Obama dramatically ramped up refugee admissions, Trump’s 50,000 stands roughly in between a typical year of refugee admissions in George W. Bush’s two terms and a typical year in Obama’s two terms. The chart below, from the Migration Policy Ins: (AT LINK)[/size]

 

The bottom line is that Trump is improving security screening and intends to admit refugees at close to the average rate of the 15 years before Obama’s dramatic expansion in 2016. Obama’s expansion was a departure from recent norms, not Trump’s contraction. [/size]

 

Second, the order imposes a temporary, 90-day ban on people entering the U.S. from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. These are countries either torn apart by jihadist violence or under the control of hostile, jihadist governments. [/size]

 

The ban is in place while the Department of Homeland Security determines the “information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.” It could, however, be extended or expanded depending on whether countries are capable of providing the requested information.[/size]{snip}

 

However, there are reports that the ban is being applied even to green-card holders. This is madness. The plain language of the order doesn’t apply to legal permanent residents of the U.S., and green-card holders have been through round after round of vetting and security checks. The administration should intervene, immediately, to stop misapplication. If, however, the Trump administration continues to apply the order to legal permanent residents, it should indeed be condemned.[/size]

 

Third, Trump’s order also puts an indefinite hold on admission of Syrian refugees to the United States “until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.” This is perhaps the least consequential aspect of his order — and is largely a return to the Obama administration’s practices from 2011 to 2014. For all the Democrats’ wailing and gnashing of teeth, until 2016 the Obama administration had already largely slammed the door on Syrian-refugee admissions.[/size]

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria[/size]

 

Are you paid to post all this stuff?