BADOLBILZ Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 11:44 PM, FireChan said: Good for them? This team will never adequately address the QB situation unless we have zero on the roster, which means TT has to go. Dougie is trying to get back to 9-7 and an early playoff exit to keep his job. Long-term planning is not his forte. We have HAD "zero" on the roster before and that made "zero" difference. Kevin Kolb was zero........which became EJ. Trent Edwards and Fitz were zero and Gailey decided he "wanted a season to evaluate the roster before making a decision". Getting rid of a productive QB so that the QB-blind GM has to play pin the tail on the donkey again on draft day is a nuclear reaction to a problem that should be addressed rationally. The organization needs to be committed to finding a franchise QB.........not just the dubiously equipped GM being FORCED to do so.
3rdand12 Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 11:59 PM, #BADOL said: We have HAD "zero" on the roster before and that made "zero" difference. Kevin Kolb was zero........which became EJ. Trent Edwards and Fitz were zero and Gailey decided he "wanted a season to evaluate the roster before making a decision". Getting rid of a productive QB so that the QB-blind GM has to play pin the tail on the donkey again on draft day is a nuclear reaction to a problem that should be addressed rationally. The organization needs to be committed to finding a franchise QB.........not just the dubiously equipped GM being FORCED to do so. unfortunately true till be proven, not true
FireChan Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) On 2/3/2017 at 11:59 PM, #BADOL said: We have HAD "zero" on the roster before and that made "zero" difference. Kevin Kolb was zero........which became EJ. Trent Edwards and Fitz were zero and Gailey decided he "wanted a season to evaluate the roster before making a decision". Getting rid of a productive QB so that the QB-blind GM has to play pin the tail on the donkey again on draft day is a nuclear reaction to a problem that should be addressed rationally. The organization needs to be committed to finding a franchise QB.........not just the dubiously equipped GM being FORCED to do so. EJ was the biggest commitment this team has made to finding a franchise QB since 2006. He was a terrible QB, but taking a guy in the first who may suck is what you have to do to actually find one. DW is under the impression that if he doesn't have the #1 overall with a Luck/Cam prospect, he doesn't need to take one when he's got a guy on the roster. So he needs to be put in a position where he needs to draft a QB to actually attempt to locate one. I'll bet anything BADOL, that this team does not take a QB in the first if they exercise TT's option until they cut him or walk away. Edited February 4, 2017 by FireChan
3rdand12 Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) On 2/4/2017 at 12:03 AM, FireChan said: EJ was the biggest commitment this team has made to finding a franchise QB since 2006. He was a terrible QB, but taking a guy in the first who may suck is what you have to do to actually find one. DW is under the impression that if he doesn't have the #1 overall with a Luck/Cam prospect, he doesn't need to take one when he's got a guy on the roster. So he needs to be put in a position where he needs to draft a QB to actually attempt to locate one. I'll bet anything BADOL, that this team does not take a QB in the first if they exercise TT's option until they cut him or walk away. Of course they would not take one in the first. nor should they. But they should draft one. and consider next years crop all the while too Edited February 4, 2017 by 3rdand12
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 12:03 AM, FireChan said: EJ was the biggest commitment this team has made to finding a franchise QB since 2006. He was a terrible QB, but taking a guy in the first who may suck is what you have to do to actually find one. DW is under the impression that if he doesn't have the #1 overall with a Luck/Cam prospect, he doesn't need to take one when he's got a guy on the roster. So he needs to be put in a position where he needs to draft a QB to actually attempt to locate one. I'll bet anything BADOL, that this team does not take a QB in the first if they exercise TT's option until they cut him or walk away. Ultimately what you are talking about is in the hands of the Pegula's......not Whaley. Getting rid of Tyrod does not guarantee he picks a QB in round 1........he can still acquire a cheaper, awful alternative in free agency or trade or maybe even overpay a hopelessly brittle twilighter like Romo. Here is a thought........rather than just wait for the Pegula's to make EVERY possible mistake in learning how to own 2 pro franchises........maybe try to build on what you have, create a winning atmosphere and some kind of on-field identity and THEN try to plug in a young QB into a situation that is already working.........rather than expect some 21 year old prospect to pull up the most downtrodden of franchises by their bootstraps in a league where there are about a dozen other BETTER SITUATED gifted and young or already franchise quality QB's competing for the same Lombardi trophy?
3rdand12 Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 12:19 AM, #BADOL said: Ultimately what you are talking about is in the hands of the Pegula's......not Whaley. Getting rid of Tyrod does not guarantee he picks a QB in round 1........he can still acquire a cheaper, awful alternative in free agency or trade or maybe even overpay a hopelessly brittle twilighter like Romo. Here is a thought........rather than just wait for the Pegula's to make EVERY possible mistake in learning how to own 2 pro franchises........maybe try to build on what you have, create a winning atmosphere and some kind of on-field identity and THEN try to plug in a young QB into a situation that is already working.........rather than expect some 21 year old prospect to pull up the most downtrodden of franchises by their bootstraps in a league where there are about a dozen other BETTER SITUATED gifted and young or already franchise quality QB's competing for the same Lombardi trophy? I too think it should be driven by Pegulas. They are long term thinkers dealing with a short term thinking fan base. Hopefully they can retain the fortitude needed
Maury Ballstein Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) On 2/3/2017 at 11:13 PM, 3rdand12 said: Some miss the point. Bills cannot DRAFT a QB worth a darn. never have. much less develop one.Hell we let Ravens develop this one under an elite QB in Flacco. Smartest and most introspective move Bills have made in decades. You Fans ! Geesh! pay the kid Pay him to leave. Give me some Mahomes/Watson/Trubisky action and give those savings to stud FA. Lets use the whole field. Check these 3 qb's out. All solid, Edited February 4, 2017 by Ryan L Billz
3rdand12 Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 1:20 AM, Ryan L Billz said: Pay him to leave. Give me some Mahomes/Watson/Trubisky action and give those savings to stud FA. Lets use the whole field. Check these 3 qb's out. All solid, I have read Gunners review. nothing is for sure. ask the Rams
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 1:20 AM, Ryan L Billz said: Pay him to leave. Give me some Mahomes/Watson/Trubisky action and give those savings to stud FA. Lets use the whole field. Check these 3 qb's out. All solid, lol we start any of those qbs out the gate this offense regresses.
Coach Tuesday Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 12:19 AM, #BADOL said: Ultimately what you are talking about is in the hands of the Pegula's......not Whaley. Getting rid of Tyrod does not guarantee he picks a QB in round 1........he can still acquire a cheaper, awful alternative in free agency or trade or maybe even overpay a hopelessly brittle twilighter like Romo. Here is a thought........rather than just wait for the Pegula's to make EVERY possible mistake in learning how to own 2 pro franchises........maybe try to build on what you have, create a winning atmosphere and some kind of on-field identity and THEN try to plug in a young QB into a situation that is already working.........rather than expect some 21 year old prospect to pull up the most downtrodden of franchises by their bootstraps in a league where there are about a dozen other BETTER SITUATED gifted and young or already franchise quality QB's competing for the same Lombardi trophy? When you put it like that... But I wonder about the "cover" Whaley may think he'll get behind a rookie QB. Makes me very, very nervous. Also I worry about Ryan L Billz getting an aneurysm...
FireChan Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 12:19 AM, #BADOL said: Ultimately what you are talking about is in the hands of the Pegula's......not Whaley. Getting rid of Tyrod does not guarantee he picks a QB in round 1........he can still acquire a cheaper, awful alternative in free agency or trade or maybe even overpay a hopelessly brittle twilighter like Romo. Here is a thought........rather than just wait for the Pegula's to make EVERY possible mistake in learning how to own 2 pro franchises........maybe try to build on what you have, create a winning atmosphere and some kind of on-field identity and THEN try to plug in a young QB into a situation that is already working.........rather than expect some 21 year old prospect to pull up the most downtrodden of franchises by their bootstraps in a league where there are about a dozen other BETTER SITUATED gifted and young or already franchise quality QB's competing for the same Lombardi trophy? So don't take a QB high this year, wait until we're good again. It's been working so far.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) On 2/4/2017 at 3:37 AM, John from Hemet said: lol we start any of those qbs out the gate this offense regresses. You don't know that. Cool story though. Edited February 4, 2017 by Ryan L Billz
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 4:18 AM, Ryan L Billz said: You don't know that. Cool story though. just remember....you heard it from me first
Big Gun Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 9:48 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: You're right. They scored 25.9 points per game. That is factoring out the 2 games with Roman and the 1 game with EJ/Cardale, as well as all Defensive and ST touchdowns. Even if I don't remove those from any other teams that still makes us the 8th best scoring offense in the league. 0.1 PPG behind Oakland and 0.2 PPG ahead of Indianapolis. Incorrect buddy, it's broke down in a different thread. The offense under Taylor scored something like 20.4 ppg., I don't remember exact numbers, but c'mon get your **** right or shut up!
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 2:26 PM, old school said: Incorrect buddy, it's broke down in a different thread. The offense under Taylor scored something like 20.4 ppg., I don't remember exact numbers, but c'mon get your **** right or shut up! lol "i heard it in a different thread so therefore it MUST be correct because it fits my agenda"
Maury Ballstein Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 3:24 PM, John from Hemet said: lol "i heard it in a different thread so therefore it MUST be correct because it fits my agenda" John just ask him if he will marry you. You got it you got it bad.
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 3:26 PM, Ryan L Billz said: John just ask him if he will marry you. You got it you got it bad. something tells me old school aint my type
hondo in seattle Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 Here's how many points the Lynn/Tyrod combo put up on each of their opponents Cards 33 Pats 16 Rams 30 49ers 45 Fins 25 Pats 25 Hawks 25 Bengals 16 Jags 28 Raiders 24 Steelers 20 Browns 33 Fins 31 That averages to 27 points per game - the same number I've been saying all along. Different folks are going to attribute the success of that offense to different people. But the fact remains that when Lynn was calling the plays and Tyrod was under center, the Bills O was productive.
Cripple Creek Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 5:41 AM, John from Hemet said: just remember....you heard it from me first How is this possible? You have never had an original thought.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 4:18 AM, FireChan said: So don't take a QB high this year, wait until we're good again. It's been working so far. I'd take a QB in the first every year if it were up to me. A first round pick not used on a QB has virtually no chance of being a franchise changer. But I take issue with putting that rookie/unprepared QB on the field in a losing environment/culture.......which describes the Bills NOW. And ALSO not having competition for them, which is what you and others are asking for seemingly without considering the burden that places on the mind of a young QB. It occasionally works doing it your way.......Matt Stafford being dropped into losing culture Detroit would be a comparably toxic situation to the Bills current one......but he was a #1 overall talent and it took him 6 years to get his head on straight despite having the greatest WR on the planet for most of that time. But the teams that have set the bar for sustained success in the NFL.......New England, Pittsburgh and Green Bay........all either allowed their QB's to develop on the sidelines or had a solid, proven effective system to step into. That is what I want........sustained success. I think with TT making it possible to score at a high rate for the next 1-3 seasons, despite an OL with 4 mediocre-to-awful pass blockers, affords the Bills to get stronger in other areas and break the losing culture while hopefully improving both sides of the ball using a BPA approach in the draft and using free agency to fill holes at cheaper and less important positions.
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