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(OT) Rochester now owns the Fast Ferry


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I was just watching 10 NBC and saw a news report that the auction is done and Rochester has won the Fast Ferry for $32 million. Everything's all set and the ferry will start back up again in May.

 

I just pray that this was a good move, but I'm not sure. :blink:

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What is this fast ferry thing? I live in buffalo and I constantly hear about it from rochesterians.

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It's a Ferry that the city of Rochester now owns and wants to try to make money out of it or at least bring tourists here. It goes from Rochester to Toronto and Toronto to Rochester. The port is in Charlotte where the Ferry Terminal is.

 

Check it out here.... http://www.portofrochester.com/FastFerry.htm

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Terrible.  The city is poorly run and can't provide the services required.  The fast ferry failed for alot of reasons and adding a bloated bureaucracy to manage it isn't likely to make it work better.

 

Reality check:  Canadiens don't want to visit Rochester.

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If they wanted to do it, fine. But what would have made more sense would be 2 smaller ships for the same price. $32 million is too much for a ship and that boat is too damn big for the route it uses.

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Terrible.  The city is poorly run and can't provide the services required.  The fast ferry failed for alot of reasons and adding a bloated bureaucracy to manage it isn't likely to make it work better.

 

Reality check:  Canadiens don't want to visit Rochester.

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:blink::blink:

 

Off the beat places like Wilson Harbor work better for sneaking boat loads of "American smokes" back into the Dominion!

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If they wanted to do it, fine.  But what would have made more sense would be 2 smaller ships for the same price.  $32 million is too much for a ship and that boat is too damn big for the route it uses.

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Sorry, but government is never going to succeed in business - especially WNY government. The professionals failed at fast ferry because the fundamentals just aren't there. Where TF did Rochester get $32,000,000.00 to spend anyway?

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Originally, some Rochester politicians pushed for the ferry, even though there wasn't a "need" for it. Instead, they pushed it as a "monument to themselves" and rode it roughshod through any opposition.

 

In fact, they were so determined to get the ferry into service that they did not wait to get Customs approval for it (in order to carry commercial trucks, they would have to set up customs operations at each end).

 

However, once service was started,the Customs Service did not give their approval to the setup. As a result, the ferry operators were stuck with passengers and passenger vehicles only, and they lose money by not being able to carry commercial trucks.

 

So they originally spent $40 million of taxpayers money to set up a ferry service that doesn't make money. And the politicians have said that they need an additional $20 million to $40 million in taxpayer money to get the service up and running.

 

Consequently, the politicians will spend $60 million and $80 million for something that has no hope to recouping its costs.

 

Translation: A typical political / pork barrel government operation. :blink:

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It will never work as it is. Sure folks in Rochester would love to take a ferry over to Toronto......But how many times a year, once? The novelty wears off very "fast". Folks in Canada, to Rochester? Not a big draw there. Rochester is a nice place to raise a family, but not even in the top 50 places a family from Toronto is considering taking the family for a long weekend.

 

Now put a casino on that bad boy and watch that $32million dollar investment return on some of that money.

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Sorry, but government is never going to succeed in business - especially WNY government.  The professionals failed at fast ferry because the fundamentals just aren't there.  Where TF did Rochester get $32,000,000.00 to spend anyway?

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The same company that loaned the money to CATS is loaning $36 million to Rochester. $32 for the ferry, $4 million to get everything going. This company is in Australia.

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It will never work as it is.  Sure folks in Rochester would love to take a ferry over to Toronto......But how many times a year, once?  The novelty wears off very "fast". Folks in Canada, to Rochester?  Not a big draw there.  Rochester is a nice place to raise a family, but not even in the top 50 places a family from Toronto is considering taking the family for a long weekend. 

 

Now put a casino on that bad boy and watch that $32million dollar investment return on some of that money.

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I totally agree. I still say that Rochester's dumbest move was passing on the Downtown Casino. That Casino at the old Midtown Plaza would have been a great way to bring money and people back to downtown and might have helped lure some people from the ferry. I would love to see NY give Rochester the right to put Video Lottery Terminals on the fast ferry. It would be a great money maker, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Maybe next year? Look at how good the VLT's are doing in the racino's at Fingerlakes and other race tracks.

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I totally agree.  I still say that Rochester's dumbest move was passing on the Downtown Casino.  That Casino at the old Midtown Plaza would have been a great way to bring money and people back to downtown and might have helped lure some people from the ferry.  I would love to see NY give Rochester the right to put Video Lottery Terminals on the fast ferry.  It would be a great money maker, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.  Maybe next year?  Look at how good the VLT's are doing in the racino's at Fingerlakes and other race tracks.

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Bringing in casinos often just hastens a city's decline IMO. Besides the social costs, there is just diminishing returns on them nowadays. There are just too many other opportunities to gamble elsewhere that I doubt a casino would bring in many tourists. So you basically just attract the people from the Rochester area, essentially praying on your own citizens. Now if more casinos in this state would mean that we got rid of the lottery I would be all for it.

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