Rick Dennison new O Coord

[BADOLBILZ]

This sounds like this will end well:

 

"Dennison prefers to fit players into his scheme, rather than scheming to fit the talent on the roster."

 

The Kubiak scheme has been a producer.

 

Yeah they've been mediocre in Denver the past two seasons but the OL has been in turmoil and the QB's they've had have been bad and/or totally inexperienced.

 

Dumpster fire wouldn't even begin to explain the takes on the Bills if they had followed up 16 years of losing by starting a second year 6th round pick out of Northwestern at QB like Simien..................but when you have a shiny new Lombardi in the trophy case you can do that.

 

I actually thought they did fairly well to finish 22nd in scoring considering that they may have had the least talented OL/QB/RB trifecta available to them most weeks in the NFL last season.

 

If Sammy returns healthy the Bills are better in all areas than Denver except at #2WR.........which hopefully is a priority for them to improve this offseason.

 

My main concern with uncle Rico at this point is his play calling........will he be insightful and decisive on a down to down basis?

 

But he'd also be ill advised to not incorporate at least a few aspects of what worked well in Roman's offense into his playbook so I understand the concern.

[BADOLBILZ]

Real shocker.

 

Typical Bills hire.

 

I'd have preferred continuity but sooner or later the offense was going to have to improve in the passing game design.

 

This offense should give them a more sophisticated and cohesive passing attack.

 

The Broncos couldn't run the ball last year and had zero depth in the WR corps but they had two 1,000 yard receivers......something we haven't had since Moulds/Peerless combined to do that in 2003......so there is that.

 

It was a tough year but I really liked what I saw from Tyrod in that finale against Miami......he made a lot of tough "whole field" throws with authority and had some drops and incorrectly run routes that caused a few other on-target throws to fall short.

 

I think a better designed pass game would help Tyrod should they decide to stick with him.

[Boatdrinks]

I like your assessments BADOL. Very well thought out and in depth with the realities of the Denver offense. save for a precious few, most every OC/ staff in the league is criticized by fans and media with buzzwords like " lack of creativity " " predictable" and for not making " adjustments" . The Broncos OLine situation the past couple years has been a far cry from the strength it used to be.

[GunnerBill]

I am with Badol on Dennison - pros and cons. I hope he is right about Tyrod.

[hondo in seattle]

I just hope the running game doesn't fall off a cliff. A better designed passing game with a similar run game to last year sounds good to me.

 

They say we don't appreciate people till they're gone. My fear is this: we end up appreciating Anthony Lynn a lot next year when we see Dennison struggling to create a running attack that's just as good.

 

The Bills were #1 in rushing yards and #1 in ypc. Those are impressive stats that will be hard to duplicate in a new scheme.

[3rdand12]

 

The Kubiak scheme has been a producer.

 

Yeah they've been mediocre in Denver the past two seasons but the OL has been in turmoil and the QB's they've had have been bad and/or totally inexperienced.

 

Dumpster fire wouldn't even begin to explain the takes on the Bills if they had followed up 16 years of losing by starting a second year 6th round pick out of Northwestern at QB like Simien..................but when you have a shiny new Lombardi in the trophy case you can do that.

 

I actually thought they did fairly well to finish 22nd in scoring considering that they may have had the least talented OL/QB/RB trifecta available to them most weeks in the NFL last season.

 

If Sammy returns healthy the Bills are better in all areas than Denver except at #2WR.........which hopefully is a priority for them to improve this offseason.

 

My main concern with uncle Rico at this point is his play calling........will he be insightful and decisive on a down to down basis?

 

But he'd also be ill advised to not incorporate at least a few aspects of what worked well in Roman's offense into his playbook so I understand the concern.

Good post.

I especially noticed the last sentence. The O line was really strong in the run game and improving at the passing game.

Maybe little change is best on that side of the ball

Fix ST and Defense

[Doc]

 

They say we don't appreciate people till they're gone. My fear is this: we end up appreciating Anthony Lynn a lot next year when we see Dennison struggling to create a running attack that's just as good.

 

The Bills were #1 in rushing yards and #1 in ypc. Those are impressive stats that will be hard to duplicate in a new scheme.

Anthony Lynn is not the only coordinator that can produce a top running game. In fact he only assumed OC duties partway through this past season.

[3rdand12]

 

They say we don't appreciate people till they're gone. My fear is this: we end up appreciating Anthony Lynn a lot next year when we see Dennison struggling to create a running attack that's just as good.

 

The Bills were #1 in rushing yards and #1 in ypc. Those are impressive stats that will be hard to duplicate in a new scheme.

I will be fine as long as they tweak, not re- configure.

Add some passing but please do not lose that exciting run game !

Anthony Lynn is not the only coordinator that can produce a top running game. In fact he only assumed OC duties partway through this past season.

well we lost Kromer too.

I worry too much probably

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Kinda, it's right here, but in retrospect it does make sense.

 

I want to be optimistic, but these are not exactly positive observations. Here's some more interesting takes on our new OC:

 

"Q: What can you tell us about Dennison's offensive style? Buffalo led the NFL in rushing the past two years, should we assume we'll see more of that?

It is your classic Mike Shanahan / Gary Kubiak zone blocking scheme. If memory serves me correctly, the Buffalo Bills ran more of a power run scheme the last few seasons. This worries me as the Broncos also were more of a power run team before Kubiak and Dennison came to town. As is evident over the last two seasons, the Broncos running game completely collapsed."

 

except, Not So Fast

 

Broncos 2014 run game [Fox]443 attempts/1785 yds 4.0 YPC (#12 for attempts, #15 for yards

Broncos 2015 run game [Kubiak] 411 attempts/1718 yds 4.2 YPC (#17 for attempts, #17 for yards)

 

So complete collapse of the run game = 31 fewer attempts (~2 per game), 0.2 yds more per attempt, and downticking 2 spots in run yards?

Does.Not.Compute

 

Broncos 2016 run game [Kubiak] 410 attempts/1484 yds 3.6 YPC (#15 for attempts, #27 for yards) - looks more plausible for a collapse, except it may have to do with cutting Ronnie Hillman in favor of draftee Devontae Booker then having CJ Anderson go on IR in October.

 

 

Real shocker.

 

Typical Bills hire.

 

Perhaps better not to swallow uncritically everything you read, without verifying?

 

One never knows what or who one will get when hiring a guy who has been in the shadows. Maybe what's been seen before, maybe better, maybe not.

[3rdand12]

 

except, Not So Fast

 

Broncos 2014 run game [Fox]443 attempts/1785 yds 4.0 YPC (#12 for attempts, #15 for yards

Broncos 2015 run game [Kubiak] 411 attempts/1718 yds 4.2 YPC (#17 for attempts, #17 for yards)

 

So complete collapse of the run game = 31 fewer attempts (~2 per game), 0.2 yds more per attempt, and downticking 2 spots in run yards?

Does.Not.Compute

 

Broncos 2016 run game [Kubiak] 410 attempts/1484 yds 3.6 YPC (#15 for attempts, #27 for yards) - looks more plausible for a collapse, except it may have to do with cutting Ronnie Hillman in favor of draftee Devontae Booker then having CJ Anderson go on IR in October.

 

 

 

Perhaps better not to swallow uncritically everything you read, without verifying?

 

One never knows what or who one will get when hiring a guy who has been in the shadows. Maybe what's been seen before, maybe better, maybe not.

With the wisdom again !

 

The article seemed spotty.

[Boatdrinks]

Anthony Lynn is not the only coordinator that can produce a top running game. In fact he only assumed OC duties partway through this past season.

Right. He was running Romans offense. He said the Offense would look different if it was his offense , but there was no time at that point to install it. So it would have been different anyway. I'd say it would be tough to duplicate #1 in ypc and rushing yds next year because there is nowhere to go but down.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

They say we don't appreciate people till they're gone. My fear is this: we end up appreciating Anthony Lynn a lot next year when we see Dennison struggling to create a running attack that's just as good.

 

The Bills were #1 in rushing yards and #1 in ypc. Those are impressive stats that will be hard to duplicate in a new scheme.

 

I was initially not sold by the Roman hire but after watching a lot of Niners games more closely, focusing on the blocking and run game I was encouraged.

 

If I needed any selling on Kubiak's rush offense that was taken care of 3 seasons ago watching the 2014 Ravens run offense that turned journeyman Justin Forsett into a beast.

 

THAT offense was what I wanted when the Bills were searching for a HC after Marrone quit.......so in terms of scheme history this hire is an easy sell to me.

 

I look at it this way.......

 

in Roman's offense a well aged Frank Gore was good for about 4.3-4.4 ypc with maybe the league's most talented OL during his days in SF.

 

That's not bad production out of an old RB and I'd say the system(with very mobile QB's Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick at QB) added close to .5ypc to his total (he's averaged 3.8 in 500+ carries post Roman).

 

But the production with Tyrod at QB in this system.....and a less talented OL......the Bills averaged about 5.7 ypc with Karlos Williams and Mike Gillislee over the span of about 250 carries in 2015-2016.

 

I think in total Tyrod is worth a little better than 1 ypc to a rush offense if used well. That goes for Shady too......he bought in this year and gained about a full 1 ypc higher than his prior two seasons.

 

I think the system helps a lot and I hope they retain some of that Roman attack..........but I think the QB has proven that he is worth well beyond his own yardage to the Bills run game............. and that impact can be carried on to the new system.

 

Let's not forget, this is basically the same system that used to turn every Denver RB into a 1,000+ yard rusher when it had a decent OL.

 

The Shanahan/Kubiak/Alex Gibbs run attack really is as successful of a running system as the league has had in the past 25 years or more.

 

Dennison as a play caller is the big unknown but the system I feel encouraged about.

[Doc]

Right. He was running Romans offense. He said the Offense would look different if it was his offense , but there was no time at that point to install it. So it would have been different anyway. I'd say it would be tough to duplicate #1 in ypc and rushing yds next year because there is nowhere to go but down.

 

I'd trade #1 in rushing for a better passing attack.

[3rdand12]

 

I'd trade #1 in rushing for a better passing attack.

me too ! Like down to five for the run and up to 15 with the pass! Fix teams and improve the D and might have something Doc !

[K-9]

 

except, Not So Fast

 

Broncos 2014 run game [Fox]443 attempts/1785 yds 4.0 YPC (#12 for attempts, #15 for yards

Broncos 2015 run game [Kubiak] 411 attempts/1718 yds 4.2 YPC (#17 for attempts, #17 for yards)

 

So complete collapse of the run game = 31 fewer attempts (~2 per game), 0.2 yds more per attempt, and downticking 2 spots in run yards?

Does.Not.Compute

 

Broncos 2016 run game [Kubiak] 410 attempts/1484 yds 3.6 YPC (#15 for attempts, #27 for yards) - looks more plausible for a collapse, except it may have to do with cutting Ronnie Hillman in favor of draftee Devontae Booker then having CJ Anderson go on IR in October.

 

 

 

Perhaps better not to swallow uncritically everything you read, without verifying?

 

One never knows what or who one will get when hiring a guy who has been in the shadows. Maybe what's been seen before, maybe better, maybe not.

I'd say it had even more to do with defenses crowding the LOS vs. a poor Oline and daring Denver's greenhorn QBs to beat them.

[yungmack]

 

couple'a things here.

once McDermott was hired, i stopped checking sources and let the assistant coaching hire process work it's way through, especially once it became evident it wasn't going to be McCoy, who was the only one i made a few cursory calls.

 

otherwise, i called no one. i asked no one to call me within the Bills or outside.

and there was far too much rabid speculation out there to pinpoint on one person, rather than four or five.

 

it was a long season and made even longer with yet another coaching search. so once McDermott was hired, a move that was a key priority for me, i moved on.

 

i needed a break and i'm sure the people I've dealt with needed one, too.

and i'm sure the people i deal with would have pointed me in the right direction.

but at this juncture, there was no real benefit from my end to push them on it.

 

better to use them for more key moves down the road come March and April.

 

jw

Any opinions, et al, about the assistant hires?

[Coach Tuesday]

All of the guys they targeted for OC run a more sophisticated passing attack than anything we've seen here in quite awhile. Perhaps they're finally understanding that points are generated by the passing game; wins are preserved by the running game. You need both.

[BADOLBILZ]

Any opinions, et al, about the assistant hires?

 

 

My sources tell me that he won't be making any more comments.......he needs a break and so do the people he deals with........he just stopped in for some glove work on The Big Cat.

[Doc]

And another good part is it appears the leaks are gone.

[K-9]

And another good part is it appears the leaks are gone.

The Jets were also a leaking machine when Rex coached there and it's no coincidence that we had a leaking problem here as well. And just like they did when he left the Jets, the leaks dried up when he left here, too.