Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 3:30 PM, Tiberius said: What do workers, businesses and farms have to do with the economy? ? No sympathy for a business owner who is being strangled by government overreach? This is purely the result of bigotry driven policy. Let the businesses man hire who he wants, citizen or no citizen. Expand What government overreach?? There are legal ways for farmers to hire all the immigrant workers they need . Always has been and will always likely be. No need to skirt the law. On 3/19/2019 at 3:08 PM, Koko78 said: On top of that, there are ways to hire actual citizens for dairy farm work. Expand Well that was my point in my saying that almost all the field work was done by US citizens when I was a kid. We called them "migrant workers" Now they're illegal immigrant workers. "I have good news and bad news. The bad news is we're suspending your unemployment/welfare checks. Here's the good news. You're about to get some fresh air."
Koko78 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:28 PM, Chef Jim said: What government overreach?? There are legal ways for farmers to hire all the immigrant workers they need . Always has been and will always likely be. No need to skirt the law. Well that was my point in my saying that almost all the field work was done by US citizens when I was a kid. We called them "migrant workers" Now they're illegal immigrant workers. "I have good news and bad news. The bad news is we're suspending your unemployment/welfare checks. Here's the good news. You're about to get some fresh air." Expand There's not *that* much field work involved in dairy farming anymore. They're not exactly sending people out to pick up stones prior to planting these days. Milkers and stall cleaners are the most labor-intensive positions - and most significant farms have auto-milkers now.
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:36 PM, Koko78 said: There's not *that* much field work involved in dairy farming anymore. They're not exactly sending people out to pick up stones prior to planting these days. Milkers and stall cleaners are the most labor-intensive positions - and most significant farms have auto-milkers now. Expand Yes, but when you employ people who are undocumented and don't officially exist, you can treat them as slave labor. Which is far cheaper and more cost-effective.
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:36 PM, Koko78 said: There's not *that* much field work involved in dairy farming anymore. They're not exactly sending people out to pick up stones prior to planting these days. Milkers and stall cleaners are the most labor-intensive positions - and most significant farms have auto-milkers now. Expand I didn't read the article so I'm not sure if it was only about dairy. Sure that's the main agricultural business in NY but there are other crops that are grown there that require picking. Used to love to chase after the trucks loaded with green beans and pick them off the road, wash them off and eat them raw! Yum!! On 3/19/2019 at 4:38 PM, DC Tom said: Yes, but when you employ people who are undocumented and don't officially exist, you can treat them as slave labor. Which is far cheaper and more cost-effective. Expand Yes and all that cost efficiency goes right to the farmers bottom line which goes back into the economy. So I guess Tibs was right. This is about the economy.
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:40 PM, Chef Jim said: Yes and all that cost efficiency goes right to the farmers bottom line which goes back into the economy. So I guess Tibs was right. This is about the economy. Expand Of course it is. The Morlocks were vital to the Eloi economy.
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:46 PM, DC Tom said: Of course it is. The Morlocks were vital to the Eloi economy. Expand Yes of course they were. No doubt about it Chief. The Morlocks were absolutely vital to the Eloi economy. I have just one question Chief. Who are the Morlocks and Eloi??
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:48 PM, Chef Jim said: Yes of course they were. No doubt about it Chief. The Morlocks were absolutely vital to the Eloi economy. I have just one question Chief. Who are the Morlocks and Eloi?? Expand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine Seriously?
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:49 PM, DC Tom said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine Seriously? Expand Sorry didn't read it. I've only read War of the Worlds. Very few give Wells the credit he deserves for writing about things that were not invented long after he was gone. Dude had a hell of an imagination.
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:40 PM, Chef Jim said: I didn't read the article so I'm not sure if it was only about dairy. Sure that's the main agricultural business in NY but there are other crops that are grown there that require picking. Used to love to chase after the trucks loaded with green beans and pick them off the road, wash them off and eat them raw! Yum!! Yes and all that cost efficiency goes right to the farmers bottom line which goes back into the economy. So I guess Tibs was right. This is about the economy. Expand Roadkill?
GG Posted March 19, 2019 Author Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:28 PM, Chef Jim said: What government overreach?? There are legal ways for farmers to hire all the immigrant workers they need . Always has been and will always likely be. No need to skirt the law. Well that was my point in my saying that almost all the field work was done by US citizens when I was a kid. We called them "migrant workers" Now they're illegal immigrant workers. "I have good news and bad news. The bad news is we're suspending your unemployment/welfare checks. Here's the good news. You're about to get some fresh air." Expand The missing part is the supply of reliable labor. It's not only about cost. If cost was the only issue, it would have been solved a long time ago. Americans just aren't into back breaking manual labor any more, even though many only qualify for that kind of work.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:15 PM, Koko78 said: So you don't want the evil capitalist business owner paying his 'fair share' of taxes? Expand He can pay more if he can hire workers to get the job done, right? Funny how that ...WORKS On 3/19/2019 at 4:38 PM, DC Tom said: Yes, but when you employ people who are undocumented and don't officially exist, you can treat them as slave labor. Which is far cheaper and more cost-effective. Expand Especially if the "slaves" are afraid to go to the police for fear of deportation. Isn't that how they scare sex slaves?
Koko78 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 5:38 PM, Tiberius said: He can pay more if he can hire workers to get the job done, right? Expand Or, you know, he can pay people on the books and pay the appropriate payroll taxes too.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 5:45 PM, Koko78 said: Or, you know, he can pay people on the books and pay the appropriate payroll taxes too. Expand If he can find them.
3rdnlng Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 Why do liberals always feel that it is ok to break the law if it suits their goals?
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 6:32 PM, 3rdnlng said: Why do liberals always feel that it is ok to break the law if it suits their goals? Expand I'm pretty sure the answer you'll get is "Double dumbass pork chop on you!"
KRC Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 6:32 PM, 3rdnlng said: Why do liberals always feel that it is ok to break the law if it suits their goals? Expand Rules are only there for the other people. "Do as I say, not as I do."
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, GG said: The missing part is the supply of reliable labor. It's not only about cost. If cost was the only issue, it would have been solved a long time ago. Americans just aren't into back breaking manual labor any more, even though many only qualify for that kind of work. Expand It's because due to all the social "safety nets" available to them they don't have to do ANY work let alone back breaking manual labor. Take away the gravy train and see how long it takes them to line up for these jobs. On 3/19/2019 at 6:14 PM, Tiberius said: If he can find them. Expand Where did they all go?
row_33 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 6:32 PM, 3rdnlng said: Why do liberals always feel that it is ok to break the law if it suits their goals? Expand anything is permissible to further the reach of the Communist Party Worldwide
KRC Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 7:13 PM, Chef Jim said: Where did they all go? Expand Sanctuary cities. You are no longer allowed to look for them.
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 7:19 PM, KRC said: Sanctuary cities. You are no longer allowed to look for them. Expand Oh no I'm talking about able bodied American citizens who used to do this labor.
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