If Bills dump Taylor, where does he end up?

[3rdand12]

The fact that defenders stay home on the zone read because of the threat of him opens things for Shady and MG. Again, they are good on their own but it makes a huge difference. The Bills also had the highest YPC of any team back to 2000 through 16 weeks (and maybe more that's as far as I can find). The Bills running game wasn't just "good" it was historically good. Everyone plays a role in that. We have not talked nearly enough about how good it was. The Bills scored a lot of points because of it.

The Run game.

yes it was all that.

Seeing defenders plum tuckered out was my kinda football.

 

Gonna miss Kromer

[BuffaloRebound]

As bad as those Osweiler and Kaepernick contracts look now, both those guys possessed a lot more upside than Taylor. Taylor will probably never be a top 15 guy, but is solid and someone you can always do worse than. Those guys don't make $15-20m per year.

[Kirby Jackson]

As bad as those Osweiler and Kaepernick contracts look now, both those guys possessed a lot more upside than Taylor. Taylor will probably never be a top 15 guy, but is solid and someone you can always do worse than. Those guys don't make $15-20m per year.

Osweiler has more upside? Um, no he is terrible.

 

I'm not saying that TT is perfect by any means. $15M is on the low end of what pretty good QB play gets paid. It's less than a bunch of guys that he's better than at the moment. I know that the number seems big but he'd be the 3rd lowest paid vet starter I think (ahead of RG and Fitz). The only guys making less, other than that, are on rookie deals. He's not playing for $10M and if he does his agent should be fired.

[3rdand12]

As bad as those Osweiler and Kaepernick contracts look now, both those guys possessed a lot more upside than Taylor. Taylor will probably never be a top 15 guy, but is solid and someone you can always do worse than. Those guys don't make $15-20m per year.

what did fitz get his first go round with the Jets

look at Osweiler ? he plain sucked.

Hard for me to put a price on.

[Kirby Jackson]

As bad as those Osweiler and Kaepernick contracts look now, both those guys possessed a lot more upside than Taylor. Taylor will probably never be a top 15 guy, but is solid and someone you can always do worse than. Those guys don't make $15-20m per year.

Cutler, Kaep, Osweiler, Flacco, Bradford, Dalton, Tannehill, Palmer, and Alex Smith all make significantly $18M plus (at least I think). Edited January 16, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[BuffaloRebound]

No argument from me. Osweiler is terrible. But he was a 2nd round pick and only played a handful of games so the jury was still somewhat out on him. Kaepernick a 2nd round pick who made it to Super Bowl. Taylor is a maxed out 6th year QB who doesn't fit the prototype. Franchises who aspire for more than a .500 record don't pay QB's like Taylor $15-20m per year.

[Kelly the Dog]

No argument from me. Osweiler is terrible. But he was a 2nd round pick and only played a handful of games so the jury was still somewhat out on him. Kaepernick a 2nd round pick who made it to Super Bowl. Taylor is a maxed out 6th year QB who doesn't fit the prototype. Franchises who aspire for more than a .500 record don't pay QB's like Taylor $15-20m per year.

TT played substantially better in college and in both of his professional years as starter than Osweiler did. Osweiler was never good. TT has far more upside.

[H2o]

Not sure now. Easily could get a backup gig, but I don't see him being a starter anywhere else unless it's to be a bridge to a young guy.

[BuffaloRebound]

TT played substantially better in college and in both of his professional years as starter than Osweiler did. Osweiler was never good. TT has far more upside.

Based on where they were drafted, Osweiler had far more upside coming out of college. Anybody could've signed Tyrod 2 years ago. I don't think he's done enough the last 2 years to go from 6th round draft pick and $1m per year free agent to $15-20m per year. He's proven he's a solid QB, but he's most likely never gonna be a top 10-15 guy like the hope was or still is for the Tannehills, Daltons, and Flaccos.

[1billsfan]

If Kaepernick and Osweiler are making $19M and $18M on average (or whatever it is) I don't see TT playing for less than $15M. I think that he signs like a 3 year $45M deal with $30M guaranteed. Something like that.

 

I think you're crazy. No NFL team is giving Taylor that kind of deal. He's nothing more than a top notch placeholder QB at this point of his career.

 

The league's changing quickly. There's no time to play the wait and see game for a few years. If you haven't shown that you're a top 10 QB after 29 starts and being 28 years old then no team is going to give you 15 million a year, let alone for two years guaranteed.

 

IMO, he maxes out at 12 million for a one year deal with either the Bills, Jets or Browns. Which ever team it is, they are still going to draft a QB in this draft that they feel will take over the starting job from Taylor when they're ready.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

 

I think you're crazy. No NFL team is giving Taylor that kind of deal. He's nothing more than a top notch placeholder QB at this point of his career.

 

The league's changing quickly. There's no time to play the wait and see game for a few years. If you haven't shown that you're a top 10 QB after 29 starts and being 28 years old then no team is going to give you 15 million a year, let alone for two years guaranteed.

 

IMO, he maxes out at 12 million for a one year deal with either the Bills, Jets or Browns. Which ever team it is, they are still going to draft a QB in this draft that they feel will take over the starting job from Taylor when they're ready.

I think you're wrong.

 

Nonsense.

 

Wrong again.

 

Osweiler has more upside? Um, no he is terrible.

 

I'm not saying that TT is perfect by any means. $15M is on the low end of what pretty good QB play gets paid. It's less than a bunch of guys that he's better than at the moment. I know that the number seems big but he'd be the 3rd lowest paid vet starter I think (ahead of RG and Fitz). The only guys making less, other than that, are on rookie deals. He's not playing for $10M and if he does his agent should be fired.

This is the pragmatic view.

 

And, all this crap about where someone was drafted several years ago means nothing now total BS.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

I think you're crazy. No NFL team is giving Taylor that kind of deal. He's nothing more than a top notch placeholder QB at this point of his career.

 

The league's changing quickly. There's no time to play the wait and see game for a few years. If you haven't shown that you're a top 10 QB after 29 starts and being 28 years old then no team is going to give you 15 million a year, let alone for two years guaranteed.

 

IMO, he maxes out at 12 million for a one year deal with either the Bills, Jets or Browns. Which ever team it is, they are still going to draft a QB in this draft that they feel will take over the starting job from Taylor when they're ready.

He's already gotten that!! It's not that crazy at all. We need to keep in perspective what the going rate is. When did Osweiler show that he might be a top 10 guy? Tannehill? Bradford? Dalton? There are probably 5+ QBs right now that he's played better than making $18M plus. That's all the ammo that his agent needs. Solid QBs make $18M plus (that's the market). Now compare TT to guys like Flacco, Kaep, and Osweiler over the last few years and they don't come close to as productive. A lot of teams will be looking at him as an upgrade. Denver is still my guess.

 

You are anticipating an RG3 or Fitz type contract. TT had 4 times as many tds as turnovers and his team averaged 26 PPG. That's not like a Hoyer type performance. They are anticipating $13-$14M for Mike Glennon. https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2016/12/mike-glennon-contract-report-espn-15-million-brock-osweiler-free-agency-nfl-tampa-bay-buccaneers/amp?client=safari What makes you think TT is getting less?

Edited January 16, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Kelly the Dog]

Based on where they were drafted, Osweiler had far more upside coming out of college. Anybody could've signed Tyrod 2 years ago. I don't think he's done enough the last 2 years to go from 6th round draft pick and $1m per year free agent to $15-20m per year. He's proven he's a solid QB, but he's most likely never gonna be a top 10-15 guy like the hope was or still is for the Tannehills, Daltons, and Flaccos.

I'm an ASU fan. I saw every game he played in college. He wasn't very good at all by the eye test and in big games. He was drafted high because he's big and has a very good arm. If he was Tyrod's height and Tyrod was Brock's height, Tyrod would likely have been a first round pick and Osweiler would not have been drafted. I don't know one ASU fan who thought he would be a good pro.

[aristocrat]

he'll end up in the superbowl

[moshermw]

Tyrod walks into 10 NFL camps and if there were a QB competition for the starter like the Bills had in '15 he wins it.

 

Vikings

Texans

Browns

Denver

Jets

Rams

Dolphins

Eagles

Niners

Jags

 

Lots of teams getting old at QB, too - SD (now LA and Giants come to mind).

 

He'll be fine.

[1billsfan]

He's already gotten that!! It's not that crazy at all. We need to keep in perspective what the going rate is. When did Osweiler show that he might be a top 10 guy? Tannehill? Bradford? Dalton? There are probably 5+ QBs right now that he's played better than making $18M plus. That's all the ammo that his agent needs. Solid QBs make $18M plus (that's the market). Now compare TT to guys like Flacco, Kaep, and Osweiler over the last few years and they don't come close to as productive. A lot of teams will be looking at him as an upgrade. Denver is still my guess.

 

You are anticipating an RG3 or Forz type contract. TT had 4 times as many tds as turnovers and his team averaged 26 PPG. That's not like a Hoyer type performance. They are anticipating $13-$14M for Mike Glennon. https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2016/12/mike-glennon-contract-report-espn-15-million-brock-osweiler-free-agency-nfl-tampa-bay-buccaneers/amp?client=safari What makes you think TT is getting less?

 

Don't you think that teams will learn from what the Texans and Jets did? NFL teams are drooling over guys like Prescott, Carr, Cousins. CHEAP starting QB contracts and production. I think that the trend going forward will be to not give out big contracts to questionable talents. Better to draft and play a rookie or young QB than to just throw money away chasing an 8-8, 9-7 season. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills feel like they will win just as many games with Cardale Jones starting in 2017 as they could with Taylor because Jones will actually pull off some of those 4th quarter wins because he's fearless (he'll also cost them some wins with mistakes). It's two sides of the coin.

[bobobonators]

 

Don't you think that teams will learn from what the Texans and Jets did? NFL teams are drooling over guys like Prescott, Carr, Cousins. CHEAP starting QB contracts and production. I think that the trend going forward will be to not give out big contracts to questionable talents. Better to draft and play a rookie or young QB than to just throw money away chasing an 8-8, 9-7 season. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills feel like they will win just as many games with Cardale Jones starting in 2017 as they could with Taylor because Jones will actually pull off some of those 4th quarter wins because he's fearless (he'll also cost them some wins with mistakes). It's two sides of the coin.

If it was as simple as plug in rookie QB xyz, there would never be bad QBs. Teams would just draft a QB and problem solved. Wave that magic wand.

[1billsfan]

If it was as simple as plug in rookie QB xyz, there would never be bad QBs. Teams would just draft a QB and problem solved. Wave that magic wand.

 

It's not problem solved. It's going with the unknown vs the known of an 8-8 guy.

 

NFL teams want to win the Superbowl, not knowingly just barely miss out on making the playoffs. With guys like Taylor and Fitz, that's what you're signing up for. Unless it's clear they're just a placeholder for the drafted QB who will take over at some point in hopes that he's the next Prescott or Carr.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Don't you think that teams will learn from what the Texans and Jets did? NFL teams are drooling over guys like Prescott, Carr, Cousins. CHEAP starting QB contracts and production. I think that the trend going forward will be to not give out big contracts to questionable talents. Better to draft and play a rookie or young QB than to just throw money away chasing an 8-8, 9-7 season. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills feel like they will win just as many games with Cardale Jones starting in 2017 as they could with Taylor because Jones will actually pull off some of those 4th quarter wins because he's fearless (he'll also cost them some wins with mistakes). It's two sides of the coin.

I think the opposite. I think that the Texans just missed. They are looking at themselves saying, "if we had someone other that Brock we are a Super Bowl contender." The Jets are just a mess. They had 4 guys all of whom sucked. I think that teams would love to have a guy playing at a high level on Dak's contract. I don't think that good teams want to waste the years where their window is open trying to find a guy. A team like the 49ers or Cleveland should just draft guys and hope to hit. Teams like Houston and Denver are going to miss their window if they are wrong.

 

In terms of Cardale, I love Cardale. I've seen every snap he's taken since high school. With that being said there's no chance that the Bills offense is better with him in 2017. He's not there yet. He needs at least another year. He's a competitor though and has a world of talent.

[1billsfan]

I think the opposite. I think that the Texans just missed. They are looking at themselves saying, "if we had someone other that Brock we are a Super Bowl contender." The Jets are just a mess. They had 4 guys all of whom sucked. I think that teams would love to have a guy playing at a high level on Dak's contract. I don't think that good teams want to waste the years where their window is open trying to find a guy. A team like the 49ers or Cleveland should just draft guys and hope to hit. Teams like Houston and Denver are going to miss their window if they are wrong.

 

In terms of Cardale, I love Cardale. I've seen every snap he's taken since high school. With that being said there's no chance that the Bills offense is better with him in 2017. He's not there yet. He needs at least another year. He's a competitor though and has a world of talent.

 

Irregardless of how we feel about Jones, the Bills will be either be bringing back Taylor or have another option via getting a QB through draft, trade or free agency. Jones starting in 2017 is probably plan C or D right now. Plan A is probably getting Romo.