Watkins retweets: does he want D. Watson?

[Protocal69]

No Watson @ #10 please. He's not the guy. I hope he throws at the combine, but he probably wont. Even at his Pro Day you will see why he's not worth it.

Dak Prescott Pro day sucked and look at him now

[SectionC3]

Watson aside do you think it is possible we could draft Rex's kid?

Anything is possible. Why we would draft a holder is beyond me.

He is not considered a good passer. Big question marks on whether he can be an effective passer at the next level. Even in his fabled performance to win the National Championship, his WR's bailed him out major on 3 different critical throws late in the game where the ball was woefully thrown and Mike Williams made 2 epic catches and so did Cain. Think Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans. All this buzz was around Johnny despite major question marks if his abilities could translate at the NFL level. Watson has similar question marks about his ability to throw accurately. He has 30 interceptions in his last 27 games because he takes too many chances, and he is not that accurate throwing downfield. That number is even more of a concern when you consider that Syracuse runs a lot of screens, bubble screens, and short passes that have high completion rate.

 

Now, nothing I said means he will be the next Manziel, but you asked what he was talking about and the answer is that he is actually not that accurate of a thrower and like Trent Edwards when he was here, his comp % is padded heavily as a result of short screens and dump offs. Trent was not very accurate past 10 yards, but his comp % was always misleadingly strong because of all the check downs and dump offs. With Watson, its not that he checks down, its that the Syracuse offense runs lots of short strikes, screens, bubble screens, etc. Then when you got the talent he has at WR, they can go up and get balls that aren't on point, further making him look good.

 

The kid is a gamer, and I wouldn't hate the pick at 10 if, and ONLY if, we officially got rid of Taylor and did NOT bring in a quality or better Vet. But if Taylor is on this team or if we manage to land one of the rumored desired targets like Brees or Cousins, then taking Watson at 10 would be a big mistake IMO because the team can win with Taylor or a good Vet at QB and be dangerous next year. So we would be way better off taking the BPA at the time, and 100% guarantee that is not Watson if he is there at 10.

 

And if Watson throws at the combine, don't be surprised to see him slip to the bottom half of the first and quite possibly the second round if he doesn't absolutely nail the combine. On most rankings of the drafts prospects, he is not even the top QB prospect and frequently the 3rd guy at QB. Most have him listed somewhere between the 15th overall prospect and the 30th in this draft, even after the National Championship game.

 

He could still go on and be huge in the NFL, but the reality is that he is not an Elite QB prospect and does have question marks as a passer at the next level. He can definitely elevate his status, just like all the QB prospects, with a strong combine.

 

How it pertains to the Bills...we already have a dual threat QB who is Elite at making plays with his legs in Taylor. He also throws a pretty good deep ball. The 2 biggest issues with Taylor is that he doesn't take enough chances down field and needs to improve seeing the middle of the field. Right now, Watson doesn't really project to be much different than Taylor's game other than the fact he takes more chances. So is getting rid of Taylor and taking Watson really a path to improvement is the question. And I say no its not, and a lot of other people feel the same way. Most of the Pro Watson crowd drooled after only really watching him play one game, and the game was so exciting that people over looked when some of these questionable traits showed their face in the game.

 

Very, very well said.

[Estelle Getty]

Watkins isn't privy to who the leak is. He knows to win in this league you need players and winning. He and Tyrod finish each others sentences. It's about we not me with Sammy

[#34fan]

Deshaun Watson is a BUST waiting to happen... So is Mitch Trubisky.... There are NO QB's WORTH TAKING AT 10... None, zero, nada... Please don't chase the rabbit, Doug!!!!!

[H2o]

Dak Prescott Pro day sucked and look at him now

There's plenty of game film that will show you exactly what I'm talking about. Don't just watch the "highlights", watch whole games.

[BuffalothruMyVeins]

Deshaun Watson is a BUST waiting to happen... So is Mitch Trubisky.... There are NO QB's WORTH TAKING AT 10... None, zero, nada... Please don't chase the rabbit, Doug!!!!!

I tend to lean this way... but... I would like to know what your scouting report was on Brady, Brees, Romo, Wilson, and Prescott were, in their draft year. There ARE players out there, available in a round outside the 1st, worth having. Not every year, but maybe every 3 years or so you can find a gem.

[jeffismagic]

Watson has a second round grade on many team boards. He's not a bad prospect but there are better QBs to draft.

[The Frankish Reich]

Dak Prescott Pro day sucked and look at him now

And it never hurts to be reminded of the other side of the coin.

 

Manuel had some of the most impressive moments of any quarterback at Lucas Oil Stadium. He was physically imposing and showed off eye-catching arm strength. Coaches complimented Manuel on how the ball came out of his hand and quickly got to the intended target.

 

I hear he had unusually large hands too.

 

Reading defenses in the lightning-fast NFL is what separates the men from the boys, and that's awfully tough to gauge when all you've got is college film and combine workouts. The Cowboys may have been smart going after Prescott. They also were more than a little lucky. But that's why you keep trying till you find a guy who's got it ...

Edited January 16, 2017 by The Frankish Reich

[Alphadawg7]

Dak Prescott Pro day sucked and look at him now

 

So if we use that logic we should just take anyone regardless of pro days, weaknesses, and evaluations just because of the long odds they might prove people wrong? That makes no sense. For every Dak you have a 1000 QB's who didn't make it in the NFL after having question marks and bad pro days (and for the record, I don't know how good or bad Daks pro day was, I am assuming youre accurate about it since you posted it).

 

This is what I absolutely hate about when a player does something rare...people just assume its easy to replicate. Now everyone thinks the next Wilson or Dak are there and we should just take them without regard of team need, draft position, grading, ratings, evaluation, etc. And not every young QB gets to play behind the best OL in football on an offense loaded with talent.

[starrymessenger]

Not being a doosh, well i am dooshbag but, why are you opposed to it? I havent seen him play enough to form a solid opinion.

Have to love Watson's moxy but I think P. Mahomes in the 2nd appeals to me more than him at #10.

[FireChan]

 

So if we use that logic we should just take anyone regardless of pro days, weaknesses, and evaluations just because of the long odds they might prove people wrong? That makes no sense. For every Dak you have a 1000 QB's who didn't make it in the NFL after having question marks and bad pro days (and for the record, I don't know how good or bad Daks pro day was, I am assuming youre accurate about it since you posted it).

 

This is what I absolutely hate about when a player does something rare...people just assume its easy to replicate. Now everyone thinks the next Wilson or Dak are there and we should just take them without regard of team need, draft position, grading, ratings, evaluation, etc. And not every young QB gets to play behind the best OL in football on an offense loaded with talent.

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What bad QB's had bad pro days?

[NewEra]

 

He is not considered a good passer. Big question marks on whether he can be an effective passer at the next level. Even in his fabled performance to win the National Championship, his WR's bailed him out major on 3 different critical throws late in the game where the ball was woefully thrown and Mike Williams made 2 epic catches and so did Cain. Think Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans. All this buzz was around Johnny despite major question marks if his abilities could translate at the NFL level. Watson has similar question marks about his ability to throw accurately. He has 30 interceptions in his last 27 games because he takes too many chances, and he is not that accurate throwing downfield. That number is even more of a concern when you consider that Syracuse runs a lot of screens, bubble screens, and short passes that have high completion rate.

 

Now, nothing I said means he will be the next Manziel, but you asked what he was talking about and the answer is that he is actually not that accurate of a thrower and like Trent Edwards when he was here, his comp % is padded heavily as a result of short screens and dump offs. Trent was not very accurate past 10 yards, but his comp % was always misleadingly strong because of all the check downs and dump offs. With Watson, its not that he checks down, its that the Syracuse offense runs lots of short strikes, screens, bubble screens, etc. Then when you got the talent he has at WR, they can go up and get balls that aren't on point, further making him look good.

 

The kid is a gamer, and I wouldn't hate the pick at 10 if, and ONLY if, we officially got rid of Taylor and did NOT bring in a quality or better Vet. But if Taylor is on this team or if we manage to land one of the rumored desired targets like Brees or Cousins, then taking Watson at 10 would be a big mistake IMO because the team can win with Taylor or a good Vet at QB and be dangerous next year. So we would be way better off taking the BPA at the time, and 100% guarantee that is not Watson if he is there at 10.

 

And if Watson throws at the combine, don't be surprised to see him slip to the bottom half of the first and quite possibly the second round if he doesn't absolutely nail the combine. On most rankings of the drafts prospects, he is not even the top QB prospect and frequently the 3rd guy at QB. Most have him listed somewhere between the 15th overall prospect and the 30th in this draft, even after the National Championship game.

 

He could still go on and be huge in the NFL, but the reality is that he is not an Elite QB prospect and does have question marks as a passer at the next level. He can definitely elevate his status, just like all the QB prospects, with a strong combine.

 

How it pertains to the Bills...we already have a dual threat QB who is Elite at making plays with his legs in Taylor. He also throws a pretty good deep ball. The 2 biggest issues with Taylor is that he doesn't take enough chances down field and needs to improve seeing the middle of the field. Right now, Watson doesn't really project to be much different than Taylor's game other than the fact he takes more chances. So is getting rid of Taylor and taking Watson really a path to improvement is the question. And I say no its not, and a lot of other people feel the same way. Most of the Pro Watson crowd drooled after only really watching him play one game, and the game was so exciting that people over looked when some of these questionable traits showed their face in the game.

Agreed. If we select Watson AND keep TT I'll be livid. I'm a Whaley backer, but that would make me question him. Either keep TT and build the rest of the team around him or cut him and draft a QB (or tank and get one next year) while building the overall talent level so when we get a legit QB he has the tools to win.

[Marty McFly]

 

He is not considered a good passer. Big question marks on whether he can be an effective passer at the next level. Even in his fabled performance to win the National Championship, his WR's bailed him out major on 3 different critical throws late in the game where the ball was woefully thrown and Mike Williams made 2 epic catches and so did Cain. Think Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans. All this buzz was around Johnny despite major question marks if his abilities could translate at the NFL level. Watson has similar question marks about his ability to throw accurately. He has 30 interceptions in his last 27 games because he takes too many chances, and he is not that accurate throwing downfield. That number is even more of a concern when you consider that Syracuse runs a lot of screens, bubble screens, and short passes that have high completion rate.

 

Now, nothing I said means he will be the next Manziel, but you asked what he was talking about and the answer is that he is actually not that accurate of a thrower and like Trent Edwards when he was here, his comp % is padded heavily as a result of short screens and dump offs. Trent was not very accurate past 10 yards, but his comp % was always misleadingly strong because of all the check downs and dump offs. With Watson, its not that he checks down, its that the Syracuse offense runs lots of short strikes, screens, bubble screens, etc. Then when you got the talent he has at WR, they can go up and get balls that aren't on point, further making him look good.

 

The kid is a gamer, and I wouldn't hate the pick at 10 if, and ONLY if, we officially got rid of Taylor and did NOT bring in a quality or better Vet. But if Taylor is on this team or if we manage to land one of the rumored desired targets like Brees or Cousins, then taking Watson at 10 would be a big mistake IMO because the team can win with Taylor or a good Vet at QB and be dangerous next year. So we would be way better off taking the BPA at the time, and 100% guarantee that is not Watson if he is there at 10.

 

And if Watson throws at the combine, don't be surprised to see him slip to the bottom half of the first and quite possibly the second round if he doesn't absolutely nail the combine. On most rankings of the drafts prospects, he is not even the top QB prospect and frequently the 3rd guy at QB. Most have him listed somewhere between the 15th overall prospect and the 30th in this draft, even after the National Championship game.

 

He could still go on and be huge in the NFL, but the reality is that he is not an Elite QB prospect and does have question marks as a passer at the next level. He can definitely elevate his status, just like all the QB prospects, with a strong combine.

 

How it pertains to the Bills...we already have a dual threat QB who is Elite at making plays with his legs in Taylor. He also throws a pretty good deep ball. The 2 biggest issues with Taylor is that he doesn't take enough chances down field and needs to improve seeing the middle of the field. Right now, Watson doesn't really project to be much different than Taylor's game other than the fact he takes more chances. So is getting rid of Taylor and taking Watson really a path to improvement is the question. And I say no its not, and a lot of other people feel the same way. Most of the Pro Watson crowd drooled after only really watching him play one game, and the game was so exciting that people over looked when some of these questionable traits showed their face in the game.

Thanks for answering that was a lot more info than I got at Walterfootball or any other draft site. I can now see why so many oppose at #10

Edited January 17, 2017 by Marty McFly

[YoloinOhio]

So did Sammy RT Kiper's mock draft?