GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) How do we know that Frazier will run McDermott's scheme? Maybe Mcdermott will trust Frazier to install his defense. Rivera was a defensive coach and he let Mcdermott run his defense. Lots of unknowns and McDermott said he didn't know if he would call plays. So the guy has been working towards this job all his life and hasn't even decided how this will go. We don't know 100% for certain. But the link between them is Jim Johnson. They were both assistants to Johnson and worked together under him - that is why he hired Frazier. If he just wanted a DC who was a former HC there was lots of choice. It is 99% certain he hired Frazier because of Frazier's familiarity with what McDermott wants to do. EDIT: Frazier has run both. He has run the Dungy Tampa 2 and he has run the Jim Johnson cover 3. Edited January 18, 2017 by GunnerBill
jeffismagic Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Whoever the Bills hire at OC, I hope he and the QB coach help pick the QB we draft. I don't trust Whaley here and that's why these two hires are critical. We don't know 100% for certain. But the link between them is Jim Johnson. They were both assistants to Johnson and worked together under him - that is why he hired Frazier. If he just wanted a DC who was a former HC there was lots of choice. It is 99% certain he hired Frazier because of Frazier's familiarity with what McDermott wants to do.EDIT: Frazier has run both. He has run the Dungy Tampa 2 and he has run the Jim Johnson cover 3. Frazier's preference has been the Tampa 2. But regardless of that Frazier calling the plays is still Frazier calling the plays. This matters.
Wayne Arnold Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 If AVP wasn't a former Bill nobody here would want him, same with Reich. Not true for AVP. True for Reich, though.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 Whoever the Bills hire at OC, I hope he and the QB coach help pick the QB we draft. I don't trust Whaley here and that's why these two hires are critical. The will likely not have done extensive scouting on the 2017 QB draft class. Whaley and his scouts have the job of evaluating the prospects with some input from the coaches. That's the way it works.
jeffismagic Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 The will likely not have done extensive scouting on the 2017 QB draft class. Whaley and his scouts have the job of evaluating the prospects with some input from the coaches. That's the way it works. There will only be 5-6 QB's to look at in the first few rounds. Whaley picked EJ and Cardale. We need to hire the best QB scout from another team with Pegula Bucks and make them the QB czar.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 There will only be 5-6 QB's to look at in the first few rounds. Whaley picked EJ and Cardale. We need to hire the best QB scout from another team with Pegula Bucks and make them the QB czar. You propose quite a few ideas that simply will not happen. Carry on.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 There will only be 5-6 QB's to look at in the first few rounds. Whaley picked EJ and Cardale. We need to hire the best QB scout from another team with Pegula Bucks and make them the QB czar. Who was the "correct" pick in the 2013 draft?
Wayne Arnold Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 There will only be 5-6 QB's to look at in the first few rounds. Whaley picked EJ and Cardale. We need to hire the best QB scout from another team with Pegula Bucks and make them the QB czar. There are no good or bad QB scouts. Drafting a QB is 100% crapshoot.
jeffismagic Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) You propose quite a few ideas that simply will not happen. Carry on. Do you or do you not think the Bills should prioritize QB scouting, drafting, and development? I think all three need to happen along with an offensive system installed to maximize that QB's talent. Who was the "correct" pick in the 2013 draft? None. The mistake was to draft a QB based on need. Edited January 18, 2017 by jeffismagic
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Frazier's preference has been the Tampa 2. But regardless of that Frazier calling the plays is still Frazier calling the plays. This matters. He ran more of a cover 3 in Cincy as the DC to Marvin Lewis. He ran the Tampa 2 after becoming a Dungy assistant with the Colts and ran the same D under Lovie in Tampa. His D when he was Head Coach in Minnesota started as more of a cover 3 type scheme and became a Tampa 2 as he went along. He has experience of both. You can bet pretty strongly McDermott wants to run his scheme.
Wayne Arnold Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 None. The mistake was to draft a QB based on need. Which tends to happen when you get rid of an average quarterback when you have nothing else on the roster. Good thing we'll never repeat that same mistake again. Oh, wait...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 Do you or do you not think the Bills should prioritize QB scouting, drafting, and development? I think all three need to happen along with an offensive system installed to maximize that QB's talent. None. The mistake was to draft a QB based on need. Of course they do and they'll do that with the current college scouting staff and the coaching staff that McDermott eventually hires.
jeffismagic Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Of course they do and they'll do that with the current college scouting staff and the coaching staff that McDermott eventually hires. The Bills have spent 2 picks on QB's in the first two rounds over the last 20 years or so. That is criminal negligence from a draft priority and Whaley has been there many of these years.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 The Bills have spent 2 picks on QB's in the first two rounds over the last 20 years or so. That is criminal negligence from a draft priority and Whaley has been there many of these years. It's pretty silly to mention Whaley and 20 years together in the same sentence.
Peter Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Do any of you guys know who McDermott's agent is?
PaattMaann Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 The Bills have spent 2 picks on QB's in the first two rounds over the last 20 years or so. That is criminal negligence from a draft priority and Whaley has been there many of these years. dude whaley has been here for four years, he and Nix were forced to draft a QB in a terrible draft (this happens all the time to every team, because you NEED a franchise QB to be successful and there are only like 8 of them in the NFL at any given time) and took the best one they thought (and were right, they all sucked but EJ was/is the best). Since then they took a shot at TT to fill that spot, and he only helped the offense become a top 10 scoring offense...some would argue Whaley HAS addressed the QB position to the best of his ability Even if we get rid of TT (I dont think we should) we should add a QB via FA and the draft, and probably will, so lets not rush to judgement there
jeffismagic Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 dude whaley has been here for four years, he and Nix were forced to draft a QB in a terrible draft (this happens all the time to every team, because you NEED a franchise QB to be successful and there are only like 8 of them in the NFL at any given time) and took the best one they thought (and were right, they all sucked but EJ was/is the best). Since then they took a shot at TT to fill that spot, and he only helped the offense become a top 10 scoring offense...some would argue Whaley HAS addressed the QB position to the best of his ability Even if we get rid of TT (I dont think we should) we should add a QB via FA and the draft, and probably will, so lets not rush to judgement there If TT is the answer why can't Whaley say he has found his QB? Doesn't sound like a vote of confidence to me. Yeah, we've found him...maybe.
Saint Doug Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 He hasn't shown nearly enough to even get considered. Sort of like A-Lynn, right?
PolishDave Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) How is the Frazier hiring a red flag? I think people are considering his last job as a defensive coordinator when thinking he might be a red flag. His last coordinator gig after losing the head coaching job in Minnesota was in Tampa Bay in 2014 and 2015. Defensive Rankings 2014 2015 ------------------------------- Total Points Against 25 26 Total Yards Against 25 10 DVOA (defense) 18 18 Rushing YPC -against 7 2 Avg Pass Against 22 18 Pass Completion % 32 32 His Tampa defense was very good against the run and pretty bad against the pass. If that carries into the Bills 2017 season, then you can expect the Bills defense to improve against the run substantially and be very bad against the pass. In his last job as a coordinator - teams passed against Leslie Frazier's defense pretty much at will. Notice the league bottom ranking against completion percentages both years. Maybe it was more players than scheme/coaching? Don't know. But it doesn't bode well for a team with Tom Brady in the division. And it also doesn't bode well against a pass happy NFL. Edited January 18, 2017 by PolishDave
26CornerBlitz Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 Sort of like A-Lynn, right? Wrong.
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