JohnC Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 why do folks click on a "TYROD" topic to complain there are already to many "tyrod" topics ?? I know this is crazy talk...but just ignore them. For the same reason why people go to the same restaurant over and over and always complain about the food.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 So much easier to pass the ball when you are behind the best pass protecting offensive line in the NFL. Most quarterbacks in the NFL would look very good playing behind that Dallas offensive line. Throw Dak on an average team with an average offensive line and he doesn't look anywhere near as good. Exactly. It's football 101.
PolishDave Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 For the same reason why people go to the same restaurant over and over and always complain about the food. People honestly do that?
Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 People honestly do that? Ryan Billz allegedly does.
Maury Ballstein Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Tyrod makes nice long throws with ease. Dak doesn't. What does that prove. Dak had all day to throw the entire season. TT was running for his life the whole season. Enormous difference. agree to disagree, metrics have been posted many times that show he has sufficient time and holds the ball longer than the other qb's. Ryan Billz allegedly does. Nope. Fuddruckers and Texas Roadhouse keep me happy ! Lol.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) I just think it's interesting how you used YPA as a negative with Wentz when the argument for Taylor is that he's working in a limited offense. It means that wentz threw for 3800 yards on 600+ attempts, and Tyrod threw for 3000 on 430 attempts. Thats another 170 passes for 800 yards. He rushed for 150 to Tyrods 580. And had more sack yardage. He also threw 14 picks and fumbled 14 times... All with Pederson and reich on staff... My only statement is that there's a good chance we get worse at QB if we just go with a rookie. And the veterans available to sign, don't inspire a ton of confidence either. As for Wentz as a future - I don't know personally. I see a bit of bortles in him with the timing issues. We'll see if he can turn out to be someone like a flacco, who's a solid gamer. Edited January 12, 2017 by dneveu
34-78-83 Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 It takes a special kind of stupid to want to move on from Taylor considering: - there's no immediate upgrade in FA, let alone one that would come here - we're not drafting a blue-chipper in round one - he's on a cheap deal (relatively-speaking for QBs) for the next 3 years - we don't have someone waiting in the wings to take over Only in Buffalo could you spend two years developing a QB who's never started a game until he got here, then leads the team to a top 10 offense with practice squad nobodies beyond WR1 for most of the season, then want to let him go because you think he's not good enough. I mean, if you were in New England, or Indianapolis, or Green Bay and you were used to HoF quarterbacking, then I could see how maybe that might make some sense, even if it would still be wrong. But Buffalo?? Honestly, some of you deserve this dogshizz franchise. Love this
Kelly the Dog Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 agree to disagree, metrics have been posted many times that show he has sufficient time and holds the ball longer than the other qb's. The holds the ball metric is the biggest piece of crap. Maybe bigger than drops. It counts the ten times a game when he is running around with the ball looking to throw for five-six seconds because the rush was on him immediately and he escaped, versus 29 other starters that just throw it away immediately and get rewarded on the holds the ball metric.
TANK2 Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) The biggest Myth of the supporters. No one to throw too. Lol Biggest move of critics. Critcize but offer no alernative solution. Tell us what your plan is when they cut taylor. Whose the qb? Edited January 12, 2017 by TANK2
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 The holds the ball metric is the biggest piece of crap. Maybe bigger than drops. It counts the ten times a game when he is running around with the ball looking to throw for five-six seconds because the rush was on him immediately and he escaped, versus 29 other starters that just throw it away immediately and get rewarded on the holds the ball metric. I wonder if the median would represent this better than the average, not that anybody has the data to test it...
Big Gun Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 It means that wentz threw for 3800 yards on 600+ attempts, and Tyrod threw for 3000 on 430 attempts. Thats another 170 passes for 800 yards. He rushed for 150 to Tyrods 580. And had more sack yardage. He also threw 14 picks and fumbled 14 times... All with Pederson and reich on staff... My only statement is that there's a good chance we get worse at QB if we just go with a rookie. And the veterans available to sign, don't inspire a ton of confidence either. As for Wentz as a future - I don't know personally. I see a bit of bortles in him with the timing issues. We'll see if he can turn out to be someone like a flacco, who's a solid gamer. Who was the true rookie without the #1 running game?
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 I wonder if the median would represent this better than the average, not that anybody has the data to test it... I don't even know if the median would work either. It is just a tough thing to compare. When a rusher runs free and Tyrod makes him miss my intuition says that Drew Bledsoe would have been sacked. You can't make that a fact though because they never have the same play under identical circumstances. I think that you would have to work sack rate into it too and probably look at throwaways. It is an MIT type of exercise to determine who was most effective.
papazoid Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) agree to disagree, metrics have been posted many times that show he has sufficient time and holds the ball longer than the other qb's. those metrics ignore the fact the sufficient time is created by tyrod using his legs to extend plays while running for his life. in the raiders game alone the pocket collapsed on TT 21 of 40 plays ...while carr enjoyed only 5 of 35 pressures. Edited January 12, 2017 by papazoid
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Who was the true rookie without the #1 running game? Who was the one with the 4th best defensive DVOA? I'm saying for next year - we are worse off with a rookie. If he plays better - they probably make the playoffs. Edited January 12, 2017 by dneveu
bobobonators Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 It takes a special kind of stupid to want to move on from Taylor considering: - there's no immediate upgrade in FA, let alone one that would come here - we're not drafting a blue-chipper in round one - he's on a cheap deal (relatively-speaking for QBs) for the next 3 years - we don't have someone waiting in the wings to take over Only in Buffalo could you spend two years developing a QB who's never started a game until he got here, then leads the team to a top 10 offense with practice squad nobodies beyond WR1 for most of the season, then want to let him go because you think he's not good enough. I mean, if you were in New England, or Indianapolis, or Green Bay and you were used to HoF quarterbacking, then I could see how maybe that might make some sense, even if it would still be wrong. But Buffalo?? Honestly, some of you deserve this dogshizz franchise. BAH. Post of the year.
GoBills808 Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Biggest move of critics. Critcize but offer no alernative solution. Tell us what your plan is when they cut taylor. Whose the qb? I guess I'd say it doesn't really matter to me who replaced him. I'm don't particularly care about marginal talents and their prospective replacements because they're not going to contribute to a championship, which to me remains the ultimate goal. So if we get slightly better or slightly worse QB play next season without Taylor...ehh, it's sorta all the same to me. I don't believe the Bills are ever winning a Super Bowl with Taylor, so my wish is for us to retain as much talent and develop/draft well so that when we do hit on a QB the pieces are already in place. That's why I'm OK with letting Taylor walk and picking up a cheaper, maybe slightly worse option and using the savings on Gilmore and Woods...playing the long game.
MAJBobby Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Biggest move of critics. Critcize but offer no alernative solution. Tell us what your plan is when they cut taylor. Whose the qb? Said it many times
Maury Ballstein Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 I guess I'd say it doesn't really matter to me who replaced him. I'm don't particularly care about marginal talents and their prospective replacements because they're not going to contribute to a championship, which to me remains the ultimate goal. So if we get slightly better or slightly worse QB play next season without Taylor...ehh, it's sorta all the same to me. I don't believe the Bills are ever winning a Super Bowl with Taylor, so my wish is for us to retain as much talent and develop/draft well so that when we do hit on a QB the pieces are already in place. That's why I'm OK with letting Taylor walk and picking up a cheaper, maybe slightly worse option and using the savings on Gilmore and Woods...playing the long game. Amen brother
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