zow2 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 John Murphy asking on his show, "Do you want to be good or do you want to be great?" Loaded question but he is selling us on wanting to be great. You interpret that how you will. Seems obvious what Bills mgmt is going to do. I'm really getting tired of John Murphy. I'd like a team broadcaster who is Great. Anyway, there's no reason the Bills can't become great while remaining "good" in the short term. Sometimes all it takes to go from 8-8 to 10-6 are a couple of lucky turnovers or kick returns...(or in the Chiefs case, a 2-pt conversion returned the other way).
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/6/14191124/adam-schefter-tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-info-report Trapasso weighs in. I basically agree with him. I do wonder about the Kelly comments though.
Marty McFly Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Yes !!! How many Super Bowls though ? 5 or 10 ? Hes already got one more than your boy Cutler! I bet he whoops Cutlers ass and eats his lunch next season. This Bills shenanigan might give TT the fire to get good. real good. Adversity and struggle breeds talent
BillsFan2313 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Hes already got one more than your boy Cutler! I bet he whoops Cutlers ass and eats his lunch next season. This Bills shenanigan might give TT the fire to get good. real good. Adversity and struggle breeds talent Lmao. Adversity and struggle means he grows a few inches and all of a sudden can see the middle of the field?
Marty McFly Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 people are acting like it will be impossible to find a decent replacement, has everyone forgotten the 75% of games this year where tyrod was either below average or bad in. We found tyrod out of no where from baltimores bench but apparently even decent qbs cant be found anymore? The bills with tyrod will be stuck in mediocrity at best i for one would be willing to take some chances for even a chance to be better People underestimate the threat of Tyrod running with the ball, throwing the deep ball, or scrambling into a signature sandlot pass and the effect it has on the how defenses defend us. You will see a huge drop in offensive production next season because of this unless Drew Brees walks in here, which he wont. Tyrod will not be a starting QB in NFL next year unless it's with the Bills. I don't see that happening unless it's a clear stop gap, i.e. Case Keenum situation in LA For that matter, Anthony Lynn won't be an NFL coach next year unless it's with the Bills. I don't think he's on any team's real short list and I'm hoping he doesn't play the Bills for fools like Rex and Dougie did. I'll go two further, Whaley wouldn't be a GM on any team except the Bills and Brandon wouldn't be President of any NFL team other than the Bills. Translation: NONE of them are good enough for any team except the Bills. Sorry for being so depressing and honest on a wonderful Friday. OK Ill bet you Tyrod starts for another team next season, whether its the Bills or not. Loser has to make a post after week 1 admitting defeat and chugging down crow.
ndirish1978 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Doug Whaley isn't no Tim Murray. And Murray himself, much as I like his blunt talk, hasn't produced much yet. Is this what it's come to? Parsing what John Murphy says on state controlled radio? John Murphy is a mouthpiece for the organization and they use him to push the narratives they are trying to sell. Listen to his show and read the spin articles being posted on his website and you can see they are trying to get us excited about next season because basically we will actually have our top 2 picks from THIS year playing; Cardale Jones is being compared to Big Ben and it doesn't really matter who our QB is because we have the best rushing attack in the league.
GA BILLS FAN Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) People underestimate the threat of Tyrod running with the ball, throwing the deep ball, or scrambling into a signature sandlot pass and the effect it has on the how defenses defend us. You will see a huge drop in offensive production next season because of this unless Drew Brees walks in here, which he wont. OK Ill bet you Tyrod starts for another team next season, whether its the Bills or not. Loser has to make a post after week 1 admitting defeat and chugging down crow. You're on, I'll even do it if he starts in the Keenum type situation if you will if he doesn't due to injury Edited January 6, 2017 by TXBILLSFAN
KOKBILLS Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 John Murphy asking on his show, "Do you want to be good or do you want to be great?" Loaded question but he is selling us on wanting to be great. You interpret that how you will. Seems obvious what Bills mgmt is going to do. It does seem obvious does it not? Thing is...If that's the case I wonder what the plan is? I just can't see the Bills going the Vet route...IE...Romo, Cutler...So what I'm wondering is this...Has Whaley already sold the Pegs on taking a QB at 10? Or moving up to take one? God knows the guy just LOVES to trade away Draft picks...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Whats the value of a qb on the open market who led the leagues #1 rushing attack. What weight goes on his actual stats which for rushing rank at or near the top but passing somewhere in the 20s? Which does a team value more in a qb?
JohnC Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Im sorry, but this thread title is misleading. I haven't a single thing in this thread, online, on TSW, in Nostradamous books, the tea leaves, the tarot cards, etc. stating he is absolutely gone or that their is any credible details suggesting they know he is gone. Why do people keep posting this stuff, its all more of the same speculation all because of assumed opinions after he didn't play the last game. I mean if ANYONE just used COMMON SENSE it would be pretty OBVIOUS that NO decision has been made YET because we have NOT hired a HEAD COACH yet. 1. I respect Schefter, but he isnt right every time, nobody is. 2. There has been no relevant information other than speculation on how people interpreted him sitting the final week, which is pretty dumb because it was pretty obvious why they sat him...the injury clause, and not knowing what the new HC is going to want to do in regards to Taylor. TT may ultimately never play another game in Buffalo, but there is literally zero probability that it is known for sure right now and it will be a coincidence if Schefter or anyone else is proven right in their assertion that he is done here because its a 50/50 shot of being right. NOBODY KNOWS...so why keep spreading this non sense as if there is some magical insight that doesn't exist? With respect to the highlighted area you are right that none of us knows what the outcome is going to be with respect to TT and his association with the team. But what is obvious to me is that the front office isn't impressed enough with the running qb to the point that it would firmly commit to him as their franchise qb or even next year's qb. Whaley is leaving his options open because he wants options on TT and his current contract. There is a lot of speculation going on inside and outside of the building. What is not being done amid all the swirling rumors is the organization going to the the mic and say it is committed to TT. If the organization felt that he was anything more than being a stopgap qb it would without hesitation so state its support of him. There is no doubt that a conclusive decision will not be made until the next HC is hired. But what is evident to me is that the front office, especially Whaley, is not overwhelmed with TT's talents to the extent they fear losing him.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Tyrod will not be a starting QB in NFL next year unless it's with the Bills. I don't see that happening unless it's a clear stop gap, i.e. Case Keenum situation in LA For that matter, Anthony Lynn won't be an NFL coach next year unless it's with the Bills. I don't think he's on any team's real short list and I'm hoping he doesn't play the Bills for fools like Rex and Dougie did. I'll go two further, Whaley wouldn't be a GM on any team except the Bills and Brandon wouldn't be President of any NFL team other than the Bills. Translation: NONE of them are good enough for any team except the Bills. Sorry for being so depressing and honest on a wonderful Friday. Just out of curiosity Lynn has 5 interviews of the 6 open jobs and TT led a top 10 offense (using football outsiders which seems to be the preference here), why would you think that these guys have no market? It is abundantly clear that people are interested in Lynn and TT will absolutely be starting somewhere in 2017. Whether or not you think that they are top 10 or even top 20 options is different from they aren't top 32 options.
zow2 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 You're on, I'll even do it if he starts in the Keenum type situation if you will if he doesn't due to injury The Texans would take Tyrod today and start him over any of their 3 QB's this weekend. The Raiders too for that matter...but he obviously would not supplant Carr in the grand scheme.
GG Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 The Texans would take Tyrod today and start him over any of their 3 QB's this weekend. The Raiders too for that matter...but he obviously would not supplant Carr in the grand scheme. That's not the question though. How many teams will pay him $18 million/yr to be the starter?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Just out of curiosity Lynn has 5 interviews of the 6 open jobs and TT led a top 10 offense (using football outsiders which seems to be the preference here), why would you think that these guys have no market? It is abundantly clear that people are interested in Lynn and TT will absolutely be starting somewhere in 2017. Whether or not you think that they are top 10 or even top 20 options is different from they aren't top 32 options. The offense was top 10 in DVOA and Top 12 in Scoring both years. Take your pick! Edited January 6, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13
HeHateMe Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Tyrod has peaked. He is what he is. He was lucky to not get hurt this year either.. Running QBs, especially smaller guys like Tyrod are massive injury risks.
BrooklynBills Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Pathetic logic. Top 7 in scoring is better than good. Top 10 over 2 seasons is better than good. Of course we all want to be great, but we can be good en route to being great. Its not greatness or bust. The seawhawks were going to the playoffs with matt freaking hasselback before becoming great with Wilson. The Steelers were going to the playoffs with Kordell Stewart before becoming great with Big Ben, the ravens were going to the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer before Flacco. The giants with collins before Eli. 5 years from now we'll be saying that the Texans were still getting by with Osweiler and Hoyer before landing their stud QB. We dont need to go into football purgatory before becoming "great". We're cutting off our nose to spite our face. Its sad. You do realize that none of the QBs that you mentioned played on the same respective teams, right? It kind of buries the point that you were trying to make.
GA BILLS FAN Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Just out of curiosity Lynn has 5 interviews of the 6 open jobs and TT led a top 10 offense (using football outsiders which seems to be the preference here), why would you think that these guys have no market? It is abundantly clear that people are interested in Lynn and TT will absolutely be starting somewhere in 2017. Whether or not you think that they are top 10 or even top 20 options is different from they aren't top 32 options. I was being a bit argumentative on a snowy Friday in Texas , I should have qualified it and said for a winning NFL team or lead an NFL team to the playoffs I do think TT will have a market maybe with Cleveland, Chicago or SF, but I don't see a serious playoff caliber team really being interested (i.e. Denver or Arizona) As for Lynn, I think he's getting Rooney Rule interviews, while I like the intent of the rule, I think it creates a lot of false hope in some candidates
ndirish1978 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 I was being a bit argumentative on a snowy Friday in Texas , I should have qualified it and said for a winning NFL team or lead an NFL team to the playoffs I do think TT will have a market maybe with Cleveland, Chicago or SF, but I don't see a serious playoff caliber team really being interested (i.e. Denver or Arizona) As for Lynn, I think he's getting Rooney Rule interviews, while I like the intent of the rule, I think it creates a lot of false hope in some candidates Denver tried to sign him 2 years ago BEFORE he had experience as a starting QB, what makes you think they wouldn't be more interested now?
joemac Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 The NHL is not the NFL. The Pegulas would look ridiculous firing coaches in consecutive seasons. If the plan is a rebuild, then Whaley should be gone now with a new GM hiring a new HC. Not buying what you're selling. San Francisco is going with that move and it's not looking good for them.
CommonCents Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Denver tried to sign him 2 years ago BEFORE he had experience as a starting QB, what makes you think they wouldn't be more interested now? He would have been a good fit for what Kubiak likes to do, it will be interesting to see what direction they go in. If they land a Shannahan or similiar type I would expect them to play Lynch.
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