Deranged Rhino Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 More problems for Weissmann 2 2
Deranged Rhino Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 It took two years, but we are finally learning about the National Security Letters used by the FBI in Crossfire Hurricane. They were actually used against Flynn — under Hurricane Razor, which was run solely while Obama was president, and ultimately found Flynn to be innocent. PPP has been ahead on that since 2018. https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/24/trump-was-right-explosive-new-fbi-texts-detail-internal-furor-over-handling-of-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/ “The new disclosures made by DOJ also show that the FBI used so-called national security letters (NSLs) to spy on Flynn’s finances. Unlike traditional subpoenas, which require judicial review and approval before authorities can seize an innocent person’s property and information, NSLs are never independently reviewed by courts. One of the agents noted in a text message that the NSLs were just being used as a pretext by FBI leadership to buy time to find dirt on Flynn after the first investigation of him yielded no derogatory information.“ REALLY think about what that is saying. They abused the most powerful counterintelligence tools available to STALL an investigation into a man that they KNEW to be innocent, and to generate dirt on him. And then remember that that man was a three star general, a Democrat, and the former head of the DIA. 1 3
Deranged Rhino Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 They knew Flynn was innocent -- even of FARA violations -- yet they called him a traitor and drummed up fake charges to ruin his life. All because he wanted to tell the truth to the country about the war on terror. That's what got him fired and on Obama's enemies list long before he joined Trump's campaign. He was a democrat, and handpicked by Obama to run the DIA -- an honest to god war hero -- and they set him up and tried to destroy not just him but his entire family. If that's how they treat members of their own, what limits do you think they have against those outside their tribe? This is dirty. As dirty as it gets. And this is just a drop in the bucket! It was always a coup. Every step of the way... Even the ICA, the last bastion for those clinging to the Russia Collusion fairytale: They lied to the American people -- they being Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Rice, Clinton, Obama and all their lieutenants. They concocted a phony scandal that was 3 parts projection and 1 part tin-foil-hat-crazy, mixed it up into a toxic yet addictive cocktail of scandal and drama, and then asked their cut-outs in the legacy media to serve it to the American people 24/7. This was done not because they believed Donald Trump or Michael Flynn were working with Russia or that either were a threat to our national security, this was done because the American people elected someone they did not approve. This wasn't just a crime committed against Trump or Flynn or his team. It was an attempt to subvert the will of the People in favor of the unelected "establishment". Yet 67% of democrats believe it in full to this day. That's the power of conditioning and the mass media. We have all been subjected to the biggest information-warfare operation ever run against the American public by its own intelligence services. These people who still believe the fiction aren't informed, they're programmed. Literally. And now it's been three years and trying to break through that programming causes cognitive dissonance (pain) which makes them unhinged and unwilling to even consider the evidence. As Twain said, "It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled." Hence our current bifurcated reality -- which is incredibly dangerous. No matter how this breaks. People need to be held accountable, or else the whole American experiment runs the risk of coming undone. 2 4
WideNine Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 12:42 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Seems like John's back A big ol' nothing burger for all that digging and I have to think they dug hard, and all they have is retread material on Hunter and nothing on Joe, because I really don't think there is anything to find. Hunter was already chided by a Congressional oversight committee back in 2019 and was cautioned by Obama admin about providing the appearance of a "potential conflict of interest" so that was water well under the bridge. As in already reported on and dug into and did not have to fill up a dossier. Then a whole bunch of muck-raking of Hunter Biden's business dealings that even if there was proof of wrongdoing (none given) then it yet has little to do with Joe Biden as a presidential candidate and is a waste of Congressional dollars. I personally think that Hunter Biden is a weasel and feel the same way about Trump's sons and daughters. But at least I don't think I ever saw Hunter acting as some kind of private State Dept for the White House like you see with Kushner and it is not like he has not made a lot of money off of his WH connections. I would not be surprised if there was dirt on all of these children of political figures that know how to leverage either the idea or real DC connections to secure lucrative consulting gigs. Although the Republican report cites George Kent as one of the State Department officials who found Hunter Biden’s role awkward, Kent testified during the House impeachment hearings that Joe Biden did nothing wrong. Asked if there was any factual basis to support allegations against Biden, Kent replied: “None whatsoever.” He also testified that he didn’t witness any efforts by any U.S. official to shield Burisma from scrutiny and said it’s “a fair assessment” that Biden was fighting corruption in Ukraine and Trump wasn’t. Well on to what started this ball rolling: Guiliani's and Parnas's work in Ukraine to dig dirt on Bidens: Well, we all know how this Jerry Springer-like debacle of a partnership has unfolded with Rudy clumsily trying to get Kompromat on Joe Biden thru his son: Lev Parnas interview: “So in the interest of telling the truth, did Rudy Giuliani know for a fact that Andrii [Derkach] was a Russian agent and working on behalf of the Russian government in his dealings with him in getting information about Joe Biden?” Capehart asked. “I mean, it’s impossible for him not to (I happen to think it is possible that Rudy was this dumb in pursuit of his interests and goals in Ukraine) ,” Parnas replied. “I mean, I — before we came on I Googled just for curiosity, a simple child can Google, and the first thing that comes up is actually a Washington Post article, the murder story involving they call him the Ukrainian Putin and this is news media and you’re talking about from personal experience.” “You remember, I’ve spent the last time with Rudy and Rudy mentioned that he delivered that report in March,” he continued. “Remember, I was part of helping him with that report at the time and helping the president get all that information and all that propaganda against Vice President Joe Biden, so I’m very well aware and he knows that I know that I’m not lying and he knows that I know the truth. And that’s why I think he’s a little bit nervous right now because of what he got himself into.” “Let’s take a step back for a second,” Parnas continued. “He lied to you that he said he hasn’t spoken to President Trump about the meeting. As you recall there was plenty of reporting that Trump himself came out on to the lawn and said that Rudy called him from the plane before the plane landed to tell him he had great news.” “So if that information like Rudy’s been talking about for the past two or three years saying that it’s a bombshell, where is it? What’s going on?” he continued. “It’s a fairy tale, it’s propaganda and like I said from day one, it was all meant for a new cycle to put doubt in Joe Biden because President Trump was always scared of Joe Biden.” Interview below: On to John Solomon and Rudy: We know Solomon is about as right-biased as possible as he has almost been a paid fixture on Hannity's propaganda machine. He has had held many posts for prominent news outlets, but a reputation for shoddy journalism, too much conservative slant, and failing to vet sources from his peers has plagued his career and has forced him out of many roles. There is so much irony in Solomon and Guliani working together to beat this drum when Solomon was a constant Guliani critic when Rudy wanted to run for president, but politics make for strange bed-fellows: One person who worked with Solomon at the Post said they liked Solomon, but found him hard to work with and said that his proposed stories often didn’t pan out. “You just had to say, ‘John, what the *****? You don’t have this thing.’ And he would say ‘OK, alright, I’ll do something else.’” Twelve years later and in the swirl of Trump’s impeachment, Giuliani and Solomon seem to have become almost co-dependent as both men seek to investigate Hunter Biden’s stint on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company facing corruption allegations in Kyiv. The Bidens have denied any wrongdoing, and other reporters have been unable to substantiate the allegations. As Giuliani himself claimed to Glenn Beck in November, he and Solomon had joined forces to turn the Ukraine narrative into a nationwide event. “I said to John, I think you should take the lead and we should put this all in the newspapers because if I go to the Justice Department now, they’re going to say Trump is forcing the Justice Department to do it. Let’s put the darn thing out, and let’s see if any of these crooked media people will follow up on a proven case of bribery.” Solomon’s own lawyers are Victoria Toensing and Joe diGenova, who also represent Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has been fighting his extradition to the United States. In a different interview, Giuliani boasted that he sling-shot Solomon’s Ukraine reporting into the public eye. “I said, ‘John, let’s make this as prominent as possible,’” Giuliani recently told The New Yorker. “‘I’ll go on TV. You go on TV. You do columns.’” He then included Solomon’s columns on Ukraine in a dossier to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who handed them over to the department’s inspector general. Solomon himself contributed to the joint effort by sharing unpublished drafts of his columns with Toensing, diGenova, and Ukrainian-American businessman and Giuliani associate Lev Parnas, according to the New York Times. Several witnesses, in sworn congressional testimony during the House’s impeachment inquiry, said that critical reporting on former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch — including Solomon’s — was inaccurate and amounted to an effort to smear a well-regarded, veteran diplomat. The irony of how Solomon and Giuliani’s relationship has changed appears to elude both men.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 NSL's used as a stall/frame tactic. They still found nothing -- yet proceeded anyway. Seditious Conspiracies carry pretty weighty sentences. 2 2
Hedge Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: It was always a coup. Every step of the way... Even the ICA, the last bastion for those clinging to the Russia Collusion fairytale: Dropping this here also, for those who haven't read it. If what Paul Sperry is reporting is true the ICA was even worse than previously thought. Quote The second senior intelligence official, who has read a draft of the still-classified House Intelligence Committee review, confirmed that career intelligence analysts complained that the ICA was tightly controlled and manipulated by Brennan, who previously worked in the Obama White House. “It wasn’t 17 agencies and it wasn’t even a dozen analysts from the three agencies who wrote the assessment," as has been widely reported in the media, he said. "It was just five officers of the CIA who wrote it, and Brennan hand-picked all five. And the lead writer was a good friend of Brennan’s.” Brennan's tight control over the process of drafting the ICA belies public claims the assessment reflected the “consensus of the entire intelligence community.” His unilateral role also raises doubts about the objectivity of the intelligence. 2 2
WideNine Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: NSL's used as a stall/frame tactic. They still found nothing -- yet proceeded anyway. Seditious Conspiracies carry pretty weighty sentences. Sidney Powell I believe that is the lawyer representing Flynn right? That's his lawyer doing a good job as she should spreading a bit of doubt and conspiracy. Flynn is not a saint, he is just doing what ex-political appointees do, trying to capitalize on his contacts to make money and to gain positions of influence. He brokered this deal to shield himself from misrepresenting his prior dealings with Turkey and I read somewhere that the FBI may have been leaning on him and had some dirt on his son - seems a common pressure tactic. Regardless, he did plead guilty to lying about working as a go-between for the Trump campaign and Russia's ambassador regarding sanctions that were currently imposed on Russia and lying on documents regarding that activity. There has been a lot of focus on the FBI's sloppy procedural efforts when looking into the Russian influence efforts targeting the Trump campaign, but I find that a bit disingenuous when it comes to whether someone was doing something wrong. If I was embezzling funds from a charity, I could scream about the investigation into my activities being carried out improperly, that does say anything about the merit of whether or not I was guilty of embezzling the money. Sure murderers and crooks can get off on procedural issues or technicalities, but that does not mean that they were not guilty. Just that the prosecution and/or investigation was too sloppy to make it stick. Procedural issues can certainly be used to push for an appeal and maybe even get off Scott free, but only if Flynn had decided to plead not guilty and fight the charges in court. Not if he took a plea deal and had the court enter a guilty plea. This is what has the Federal courts undees in a bunch. Back in December 2017, Flynn offered no objection to prosecutors’ description of the series of falsehoods he told the FBI. Indeed, he sounded unequivocal (link to transcript of court proceeding - it is a good read) that he had indeed violated the law. THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Flynn, now that you've read the written statement of facts, you've heard the government's oral presentation, are there any corrections or errors that you need that you need to point out? THE DEFENDANT: Nothing that I heard, Your Honor, no. THE COURT: Or that you read? THE DEFENDANT: Or that I read. THE COURT: Is that factual summary true and correct? THE DEFENDANT: It is. The COURT: “Are you entering this plea of guilty because you are guilty and for no other reason?” U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras asked at the time. THE DEFENDANT: “Yes, Your Honor,” I encourage folks to read through the actual court report... attacking the justification seems to be a smart legal tactic of Barr and the DOJ - However, both sides of the isle seem to agree that Russia meddled a lot and that we needed to do something about it and privately they wanted to know who the Russians were trying to leverage and how - hence the need to investigate. Publicly, the GOP felt it would be damning to Trump to note how many people around him were one person removed from Russians and the politically had to downplay it. So we have kind of a bi-polar response to the meddling investigations and conclusions. The Flynn recast of "being fired" by Obama: Flynn’s own explanation of his “firing” has been that he was ousted by Obama himself and Obama political appointees because of the danger posed by Al Qaeda. In this narrative, he was a “lone voice” fighting against a negligent defense and intelligence establishment. According to what Flynn had said in one final interview as DIA director, he felt like a lone voice in thinking the United States was less safe from the threat of Islamic terrorism in 2014 than it was prior to the 9/11 attacks; he went on to believe he was pressed into retirement for questioning the Obama administration's public narrative that Al Qaeda was close to defeat. In contrast, external sources present a different story, that Flynn was a loose cannon, unable to give and take direction effectively. He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency. In a private e-mail that was leaked online, Colin Powell said he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn was fired because he was "abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." According to The New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with the truth, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts". 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 25, 2020 Author Posted September 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, WideNine said: Sidney Powell I believe that is the lawyer representing Flynn right? That's his lawyer doing a good job as she should spreading a bit of doubt and conspiracy. Flynn is not a saint, he is just doing what ex-political appointees do, trying to capitalize on his contacts to make money and to gain positions of influence. He brokered this deal to shield himself from misrepresenting his prior dealings with Turkey and I read somewhere that the FBI may have been leaning on him and had some dirt on his son - seems a common pressure tactic. You're literally posting things that were debunked years ago -- and were literally just confirmed today: You're years behind this case, with a lot of work to do to catch up. 2 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, WideNine said: Sidney Powell I believe that is the lawyer representing Flynn right? That's his lawyer doing a good job as she should spreading a bit of doubt and conspiracy. Flynn is not a saint, he is just doing what ex-political appointees do, trying to capitalize on his contacts to make money and to gain positions of influence. He brokered this deal to shield himself from misrepresenting his prior dealings with Turkey and I read somewhere that the FBI may have been leaning on him and had some dirt on his son - seems a common pressure tactic. Regardless, he did plead guilty to lying about working as a go-between for the Trump campaign and Russia's ambassador regarding sanctions that were currently imposed on Russia and lying on documents regarding that activity. There has been a lot of focus on the FBI's sloppy procedural efforts when looking into the Russian influence efforts targeting the Trump campaign, but I find that a bit disingenuous when it comes to whether someone was doing something wrong. If I was embezzling funds from a charity, I could scream about the investigation into my activities being carried out improperly, that does say anything about the merit of whether or not I was guilty of embezzling the money. Sure murderers and crooks can get off on procedural issues or technicalities, but that does not mean that they were not guilty. Just that the prosecution and/or investigation was too sloppy to make it stick. Procedural issues can certainly be used to push for an appeal and maybe even get off Scott free, but only if Flynn had decided to plead not guilty and fight the charges in court. Not if he took a plea deal and had the court enter a guilty plea. This is what has the Federal courts undees in a bunch. Back in December 2017, Flynn offered no objection to prosecutors’ description of the series of falsehoods he told the FBI. Indeed, he sounded unequivocal (link to transcript of court proceeding - it is a good read) that he had indeed violated the law. THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Flynn, now that you've read the written statement of facts, you've heard the government's oral presentation, are there any corrections or errors that you need that you need to point out? THE DEFENDANT: Nothing that I heard, Your Honor, no. THE COURT: Or that you read? THE DEFENDANT: Or that I read. THE COURT: Is that factual summary true and correct? THE DEFENDANT: It is. The COURT: “Are you entering this plea of guilty because you are guilty and for no other reason?” U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras asked at the time. THE DEFENDANT: “Yes, Your Honor,” I encourage folks to read through the actual court report... attacking the justification seems to be a smart legal tactic of Barr and the DOJ - However, both sides of the isle seem to agree that Russia meddled a lot and that we needed to do something about it and privately they wanted to know who the Russians were trying to leverage and how - hence the need to investigate. Publicly, the GOP felt it would be damning to Trump to note how many people around him were one person removed from Russians and the politically had to downplay it. So we have kind of a bi-polar response to the meddling investigations and conclusions. The Flynn recast of "being fired" by Obama: Flynn’s own explanation of his “firing” has been that he was ousted by Obama himself and Obama political appointees because of the danger posed by Al Qaeda. In this narrative, he was a “lone voice” fighting against a negligent defense and intelligence establishment. According to what Flynn had said in one final interview as DIA director, he felt like a lone voice in thinking the United States was less safe from the threat of Islamic terrorism in 2014 than it was prior to the 9/11 attacks; he went on to believe he was pressed into retirement for questioning the Obama administration's public narrative that Al Qaeda was close to defeat. In contrast, external sources present a different story, that Flynn was a loose cannon, unable to give and take direction effectively. He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency. In a private e-mail that was leaked online, Colin Powell said he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn was fired because he was "abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." According to The New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with the truth, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts". You encourage people to read the court documents, then copy and paste 5th grade study hall rumor mongering pressed by a fading left wing rag citing friends of friends of friends and unsubstantiated gobbledygook? The government has the power to destroy lives and ruin families. This is not conjecture, it’s not speculation, and the fact is that everyone knows it happens. The only question is whether or General Flynn was a victim or not. Innocent people have plead guilty, been found guilty, and later exonerated. In this case, we know the DOJ pressed on with charges until such time as they took a deeper dive into the facts, at which time they moved to dismiss. It seems fairly straightforward to me, at least on the DOJ side of things. We should be disappointed they sought to destroy him in the first place, but hopeful for the future in that when they recognized the problems with the case and subsequently moved to dismiss. All the innuendo that Colin got from Becky who talked to Beatrice about Flynn eating someone else’s lunch stashed in the breakroom fridge is compelling in a Real Housewives of DC sort of way, but irrelevant. Edited September 25, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd 3 3
WideNine Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ok, so the man folks are trying so hard to defend files a FARA and the question his lawyers posed was whether it was "knowingly false" information... The fact that Flynn's Intel Group company was aiding a Turkish lobbying group that was thinly veiled as a corporation and was acting on behalf of Ankara's autocratic Muslim regime and Erdogan to try to secure the extradiction of the cleric Gulen who has been critical of Erdogan's power grab and crack down on freedoms ...somehow means Flynn is some kind of patriot? There has been a concerted effort to better enforce the FARA, but to date the language is not written in a way that lawyers cannot run circles around it. And the government has not had a lot of success prosecuting FARA breaches. I think the FARA has to be better written to allow it to be enforceable if the US is going to be able to limit illegitimate foreign lobbying efforts and money used to sway US foreign policy. Exerps from the Flynn "retroactively" registered FARA in question: "As you know, under FARA, a U.S. firm that represents a foreign corporate client, which is not a foreign government or political party, may register under the LDA rather than FARA, so long as the firm engages in (assumed corporate) lobbying activities for its client. Flynn Intel Group concluded that because its client was a foreign corporation and the services provided included lobbying activities, it could file under the LDA. The Department's regulations provide that filing under the LDA is not an option, however, if a foreign government, even though not the client, nonetheless is the "principal beneficiary" of the work performed This is an uncertain standard, not based on the statutory language, and not defined in the Department's regulations. Nevertheless, because of the subject matter of Flynn Intel Group's work for Inovo BV, which focused on Mr. Fethullah Gulen, whose extradition is sought by the Government of Turkey, the engagement could be construed to have principally benefitted the Republic of Turkey. To eliminate any potential doubt, the Flynn Intel Group therefore is electing to file a registration under FARA, in lieu of its prior LDA registration. Because this is a retroactive registration, compiled after the Flynn Intel Group...." Seriously, he is some kind of hero or victim when collecting money and working with that Ankara regime? Because he is able to wiggle out of the obvious FARA conflicts of interests by obfuscating the loose FARA/LDA regulation language? Folks don't read and admittedly tweets are easier reading than these documents and submissions. So I can go with not legally enforceable to prosecute Flynn, but not that Flynn is not guilty of doing what he and his business partners were doing for Ankara and how they likely knowingly (this is the problem with FARA enforcement) hid that relationship by improperly filing it as an LDA which allowed Flynn to maintain the security clearence he had.
GG Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, WideNine said: Ok, so the man folks are trying so hard to defend files a FARA and the question his lawyers posed was whether it was "knowingly false" information... The fact that Flynn's Intel Group company was aiding a Turkish lobbying group that was thinly veiled as a corporation and was acting on behalf of Ankara's autocratic Muslim regime and Erdogan to try to secure the extradiction of the cleric Gulen who has been critical of Erdogan's power grab and crack down on freedoms ...somehow means Flynn is some kind of patriot? There has been a concerted effort to better enforce the FARA, but to date the language is not written in a way that lawyers cannot run circles around it. And the government has not had a lot of success prosecuting FARA breaches. I think the FARA has to be better written to allow it to be enforceable if the US is going to be able to limit illegitimate foreign lobbying efforts and money used to sway US foreign policy. Exerps from the Flynn "retroactively" registered FARA in question: "As you know, under FARA, a U.S. firm that represents a foreign corporate client, which is not a foreign government or political party, may register under the LDA rather than FARA, so long as the firm engages in (assumed corporate) lobbying activities for its client. Flynn Intel Group concluded that because its client was a foreign corporation and the services provided included lobbying activities, it could file under the LDA. The Department's regulations provide that filing under the LDA is not an option, however, if a foreign government, even though not the client, nonetheless is the "principal beneficiary" of the work performed This is an uncertain standard, not based on the statutory language, and not defined in the Department's regulations. Nevertheless, because of the subject matter of Flynn Intel Group's work for Inovo BV, which focused on Mr. Fethullah Gulen, whose extradition is sought by the Government of Turkey, the engagement could be construed to have principally benefitted the Republic of Turkey. To eliminate any potential doubt, the Flynn Intel Group therefore is electing to file a registration under FARA, in lieu of its prior LDA registration. Because this is a retroactive registration, compiled after the Flynn Intel Group...." Seriously, he is some kind of hero or victim when collecting money and working with that Ankara regime? Because he is able to wiggle out of the obvious FARA conflicts of interests by obfuscating the loose FARA/LDA regulation language? Folks don't read and admittedly tweets are easier reading than these documents and submissions. So I can go with not legally enforceable to prosecute Flynn, but not that Flynn is not guilty of doing what he and his business partners were doing for Ankara and how they likely knowingly (this is the problem with FARA enforcement) hid that relationship by improperly filing it as an LDA which allowed Flynn to maintain the security clearence he had. Considering the Mueller's crew nailed Manafort for similar and probably lesser infractions that you claim Flynn made, why was Flynn's charge a basic perjury in an interview? Why does Turkey matter in a case where there's more and more proof that FBI manufactured evidence against the Trump camp? Why are you even bringing up Turkey at all? 3 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 25, 2020 Author Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: Considering the Mueller's crew nailed Manafort for similar and probably lesser infractions that you claim Flynn made, why was Flynn's charge a basic perjury in an interview? Why does Turkey matter in a case where there's more and more proof that FBI manufactured evidence against the Trump camp? Why are you even bringing up Turkey at all? And he’s omitting that the Turkey job was approved by the DIA (because it was an op). That’s the real reason they couldn’t make a case of it. 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 25, 2020 Author Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, WideNine said: Ok, so the man folks are trying so hard to defend files a FARA and the question his lawyers posed was whether it was "knowingly false" information... The fact that Flynn's Intel Group company was aiding a Turkish lobbying group that was thinly veiled as a corporation and was acting on behalf of Ankara's autocratic Muslim regime and Erdogan to try to secure the extradiction of the cleric Gulen who has been critical of Erdogan's power grab and crack down on freedoms ...somehow means Flynn is some kind of patriot? You seem willing to engage in an actual discussion, so first off thanks for that. Even if we ultimately disagree, a good conversation is always the goal. Theres a lot you do not know about this matter. I say that not to be combative but just because I’ve followed it closely from the start. I’ve talked to people involved, learned a lot about the minutia of the case for various reasons. You have to understand that Flynn was not just a general, he was the Army’s top spook. FIG’s contract with Alptekin was sanctioned by DIA. Flynn was serving his country on an intelligence op of some kind. This isn’t conjecture, it’s fact. Now we know as of today the FBI was aware of this as well as early as the fall of 2016. Do you know what Flynn and Obama fell out over originally? Do you know why he was fired, and then immediately targeted for an oversight-free CI investigation by the FBI? It has nothing to do with Trump and even less to do with Russia or Turkey. Dig into that, start by reading the recently published Afghanistan Papers ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/ ) and notice Flynn’s role in them. After you do, ask yourself again if you think the man is a patriot or not. 1
WideNine Posted September 25, 2020 Posted September 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, GG said: Considering the Mueller's crew nailed Manafort for similar and probably lesser infractions that you claim Flynn made, why was Flynn's charge a basic perjury in an interview? Why does Turkey matter in a case where there's more and more proof that FBI manufactured evidence against the Trump camp? Why are you even bringing up Turkey at all? 1. Manafort was not charged with similar infractions rather the one-time Trump campaign chairmsn was found guilty of 5 counts of filing false tax returns, 2 counts of bank fraud, and one count of failing to disclose a foreign bank account. What manufactured evidence? Several individuals close to the Trump campaign have been found guilty in courts of law. If you are referring to not liking the FISA warrants used to gather the evidence then that's another conversation. Mueller actually asked for leniency for Flynn because he was cooperating. William Barr has a long history of burying DC sins...going back to Iran Contra. He's perfect for Trump's DOJ. Mueller also found evidence of 14 other crimes that were not part of the scope of his investigation into Russian meddling. One was an Obama associate and one had ties to Clinton, another turned out to be Michael Cohen. These were referred to the DOJ and FBI for follow-up. In the heavily redacted Mueller report he indicated that the only reason there was not direct evidence of obstruction by Trump (which is a crime) was that his aides refused to carry out his orders. What a dumpster fire of an administration. 1
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