/dev/null Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I forget where DR is on 9-11. Did Elon Musk's UFO fly into the twin towers? I cant keep the conspiracies straight. Awww snap, now you done it. We're gonna get DC Tom's 9/11 PTSD flashback... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) If that is the big question you've been asking, you're barking up the wrong tree. I never denied that US and coalition air fighters hit Syrian troops. I'm just laughing at the suggestion that they did it to start WW III. I'm not saying the officers and soldiers want to start WW3. I've never said that. What I have said, and I've made a strong case for in this thread primarily, is that there are certain factions within the Deep State of the United States who would love to engineer a shooting war with Russia. The Deep State is comprised of many different groups and is very real and openly acknowledged in serious academic circles as well as political ones. I'm not talking about the illuminati or aliens, but the corporate and financial interests that work hand in hand with elements within the US Gov't and the IC to control policy as best they can from the background, free from oversight. So when all else fails, try the neocon trope. Are you claiming that Obama is a neocon? You've called yourself a neocon, have you not? If I have that wrong, I apologize but I'm pretty sure you proudly identify as such. My thesis rests on the fact that the Deep State is truly calling the shots, not the executive branch. So whether or not Obama is a neocon is irrelevant. What counts is the philosophical makeup of the Deep State itself -- which is not monolithic in structure nor philosophy. The controlling philosophy in this Deep State has been unipolar globalism, that's been the philosophy driving it (and this country by extension) since at least 1991 if not 1944. Neoconservatism, by its very definition, falls under the umbrella of this guiding philosophy. That does not mean every neocon is a part of this Deep State, nor does it mean every neocon is an evil person twisting their mustaches. I don't think that at all, even about you;) But, because you ascribe to that philosophy (which, I did myself for longer than I care to admit) you are going to have the hardest time being open minded about the case I'm making. But one day you will be more willing to entertain some of these ideas and then we'll have a more fun conversation. You're in too deep within your own screen play. Take a step back and see how ridiculous you've looked over the last 15 months. Hey, I admit it's possible. I'm never above admitting when I'm wrong. I have a lot of fun on this board taking absurd stances at times, or leaning into the more fringe topics I enjoy to get a laugh. So I understand the lines are blurry between when I'm taking the piss and when I'm being sincere. People are free to take or leave the thesis I'm examining here. But nothing of the case I'm laying out here is meant to be apocalyptic or end-of-days. That's not me. I actually think things have a chance of getting a lot better in a hurry -- not in a religious sense. And that's on top of my normal optimism which is already set too high being a Bills fan. Middle East is a mess because it's been a mess throughout the written history of mankind. It didn't help the US that it was led by the most feckless president in a generation and that's the main reason why the situation is so messy. There's no grand conspiracy to why the US is doing what it's doing. Obama screwed things up and then had nothing but bad choices as a result. Sometimes, it's as simple as that. Despite what you might think of me, I'm actually a pretty rational guy whose beliefs are formed in traditional academic ways. I'm well aware of the history of the ME, I've got a pretty good background in that area, so I of course agree with you that it's been a mess far longer than this nation has existed. No doubt about that. I'm also not arguing, and have never been arguing, that the US Gov't or it's military are the cause of the mess -- there or anywhere. Where I lose you is in suggesting that there are groups of corporate, financial, and private interests that operate outside the realm of traditional nation states and those interests often profit from conflict. You say 44 was feckless -- and I agree -- but we think that because we have the United States' best interest in mind. The Deep State is not a nation state and does not have the United States' best interest in heart, they are only looking out for their own best interests. To them, 44's presidency has been a boon for the very reasons we'd probably agree it was feckless. The difference between our positions is you believe ultimate power rests in the offices of our federal government, while I think that hasn't been the case in this country since Kennedy was killed. I forget where DR is on 9-11. Did Elon Musk's UFO fly into the twin towers? I cant keep the conspiracies straight. I've never made any real comments on 9/11. In fact, the only conspiracy I've ever given any serious post count too (aside from this thread) are the UFO threads in OTW, which I find hilarious;) Edited January 23, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 But we know you. You have a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I'm not saying the officers and soldiers want to start WW3. I've never said that. What I have said, and I've made a strong case for in this thread primarily, is that there are certain factions within the Deep State of the United States who would love to engineer a shooting war with Russia. The Deep State is comprised of many different groups and is very real and openly acknowledged in serious academic circles as well as political ones. I'm not talking about the illuminati or aliens, but the corporate and financial interests that work hand in hand with elements within the US Gov't and the IC to control policy as best they can from the background, free from oversight. You can make this argument about any facet of government and how lobbyists from the public and private sectors are always trying to influence legislation. You've called yourself a neocon, have you not? If I have that wrong, I apologize but I'm pretty sure you proudly identify as such. My thesis rests on the fact that the Deep State is truly calling the shots, not the executive branch. So whether or not Obama is a neocon is irrelevant. What counts is the philosophical makeup of the Deep State itself -- which is not monolithic in structure nor philosophy. The controlling philosophy in this Deep State has been unipolar globalism, that's been the philosophy driving it (and this country by extension) since at least 1991 if not 1944. Neoconservatism, by its very definition, falls under the umbrella of this guiding philosophy. That does not mean every neocon is a part of this Deep State, nor does it mean every neocon is an evil person twisting their mustaches. I don't think that at all, even about you;) But, because you ascribe to that philosophy (which, I did myself for longer than I care to admit) you are going to have the hardest time being open minded about the case I'm making. But one day you will be more willing to entertain some of these ideas and then we'll have a more fun conversation. Hey, I admit it's possible. I'm never above admitting when I'm wrong. I have a lot of fun on this board taking absurd stances at times, or leaning into the more fringe topics I enjoy to get a laugh. So I understand the lines are blurry between when I'm taking the piss and when I'm being sincere. People are free to take or leave the thesis I'm examining here. But nothing of the case I'm laying out here is meant to be apocalyptic or end-of-days. That's not me. I actually think things have a chance of getting a lot better in a hurry -- not in a religious sense. And that's on top of my normal optimism which is already set too high being a Bills fan. Despite what you might think of me, I'm actually a pretty rational guy whose beliefs are formed in traditional academic ways. I'm well aware of the history of the ME, I've got a pretty good background in that area, so I of course agree with you that it's been a mess far longer than this nation has existed. No doubt about that. I'm also not arguing, and have never been arguing, that the US Gov't or it's military are the cause of the mess -- there or anywhere. Where I lose you is in suggesting that there are groups of corporate, financial, and private interests that operate outside the realm of traditional nation states and those interests often profit from conflict. You say 44 was feckless -- and I agree -- but we think that because we have the United States' best interest in mind. The Deep State is not a nation state and does not have the United States' best interest in heart, they are only looking out for their own best interests. To them, 44's presidency has been a boon for the very reasons we'd probably agree it was feckless. The difference between our positions is you believe ultimate power rests in the offices of our federal government, while I think that hasn't been the case in this country since Kennedy was killed. You almost had a lucid thought, but then derailed again. It's very easy to believe that the Deep State controls everything through their puppet strings, and frankly it makes for great TV and movies. In reality though, it is a sheer impossibility because the Deep State is run by humans who all have different agendas, levels of intellect, egos, phobias, insecurities, personal demons and ambition. It's hard enough to get a group of ten people in a room to agree on a lunch choice, and you're stoking a theory that there's a cadre (cabal?) of shadowy personalities who for the last 70 years have collectively controlled the world order. Don't you think the odds are high that given the magnitude of the Deep State and its time frame, that a gatorman infiltrated its inner workings and blew the whole thing up with basic stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/wikileaks-trump-tax-return-234000 “Trump's breach of promise over the release of his tax returns is even more gratuitous than Clinton concealing her Goldman Sachs transcripts,” WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. The group also encouraged the leak of the documents. "Trump Counselor Kellyanne Conway stated today that Trump will not release his tax returns. Send them to: https://wikileaks.org/#submit so we can," another tweet read . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 But we know you. You have a theory. I do, and presented it in the OP. But it's not a prediction, it's an analysis. I'm not a doomsday guy or a prepper or any of that. I'm also not presenting this as fact, it's speculation. Speculation that I happen to think has merit clearly, but I'm not above being wrong or unwilling to look at alternative theories/ideas/opinions on this subject. You almost had a lucid thought, but then derailed again. It's very easy to believe that the Deep State controls everything through their puppet strings, and frankly it makes for great TV and movies. In reality though, it is a sheer impossibility because the Deep State is run by humans who all have different agendas, levels of intellect, egos, phobias, insecurities, personal demons and ambition. It's hard enough to get a group of ten people in a room to agree on a lunch choice, and you're stoking a theory that there's a cadre (cabal?) of shadowy personalities who for the last 70 years have collectively controlled the world order. Don't you think the odds are high that given the magnitude of the Deep State and its time frame, that a gatorman infiltrated its inner workings and blew the whole thing up with basic stupidity? I absolutely concede that gators have infiltrated its ranks on multiple occasions. The Deep State is not immune from human error. But I don't think of the Deep State as individuals. Rather corporate and private entities comprised of many people -- yes there are individuals running those entities but the entity itself is a hydra, capable of losing a few heads. These are institutions that are bigger than one individual, which is why I compared it better to a mafia with many families in the OP. Agendas shift over time as personnel and philosophies evolve, and when that happens the individuals may change but the entity remains. I understand why that's a difficult leap to make for many people, and I'm offering it as theory not fact. I do think there is ample evidence that points to its merits -- even from non-Kremlin sources. What I think we have been witnessing as of late is a changing of the guard, not just in DC, but in this Deep State entity itself. For all we know they are being done in by orange tinted gators as we speak. And if we are, then there's a real chance we're about to learn a lot more about this kind of subject... for better and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Hail hydra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 I know I wasn't the only one who thought this was strange during the inauguration... Were they simply handing out ponchos to the crowd before the rain? Were they making a symbolic point to the Bush/Clinton factions in the audience that the Military/DIA is firmly behind 45 and CIA's days as top dog are numbered? Or was it simply an accident? No one's saying. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142324/Moment-soldiers-stand-Trump-inaugural-speech.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I know I wasn't the only one who thought this was strange during the inauguration... Were they simply handing out ponchos to the crowd before the rain? Were they making a symbolic point to the Bush/Clinton factions in the audience that the Military/DIA is firmly behind 45 and CIA's days as top dog are numbered? Or was it simply an accident? No one's saying. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142324/Moment-soldiers-stand-Trump-inaugural-speech.html What a world you live in, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I know I wasn't the only one who thought this was strange during the inauguration... Were they simply handing out ponchos to the crowd before the rain? Were they making a symbolic point to the Bush/Clinton factions in the audience that the Military/DIA is firmly behind 45 and CIA's days as top dog are numbered? Or was it simply an accident? No one's saying. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142324/Moment-soldiers-stand-Trump-inaugural-speech.html I think it could have been two things. 1. It had started sprinkling. Umbrellas were brought down to the super VIP area. They might have given him an umbrella curtain if the rain increased in intensity. It didn't. It stopped raining shortly after they arrived in position behind him. Hey LIBS - President Trump made it stop raining! 2. There might have been a credible threat about a shooter somewhere nearby, and they were there to escort him away, but the Secret Service checked out the threat and it was found to be negative. Anybody know where EII and Blzrul were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 What a world you live in, man. We're all living in the same world, I promise. I think it could have been two things. 1. It had started sprinkling. Umbrellas were brought down to the super VIP area. They might have given him an umbrella curtain if the rain increased in intensity. It didn't. It stopped raining shortly after they arrived in position behind him. Hey LIBS - President Trump made it stop raining! 2. There might have been a credible threat about a shooter somewhere nearby, and they were there to escort him away, but the Secret Service checked out the threat and it was found to be negative. Anybody know where EII and Blzrul were? Umbrellas or ponchos were my first thought, and still the most likely explanation. But the entire visual was jarring -- and if there is any merit to the thesis of this thread, it's exactly the kind of symbolism that would be used to make the point that there is indeed a changing of the guards going on behind the scenes. We've had many people describe the most recent events as a "coup" or a "soft coup", and if they're to believed then there are really two possible explanations for what happened during the speech: 1. The men in uniform were behind Trump to reinforce the "he'll do what we say" message to those in attendance, or 2. The men in uniform were behind Trump to send a message to the assembled neocons and neoliberals: 'we're with him, don't try any of your normal tricks.' Or, it was raining and they were ready to hand out umbrellas. Interesting times, these are. Interesting times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 A larger update is upcoming but this past week has added plenty of evidence to support the thesis presented in this thread. The IC is being gutted and restructured, neocons and neoliberals in CIA and state are being forced out as 45 restructures the NSC. Plus we have Russian spies linked to 45's "intelligence report" being murdered in Moscow. Lots happening. Lots more to come. The Deep State war is intensifying. Don't be distracted by the noise, focus on what's actually happening behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) A larger update is upcoming but this past week has added plenty of evidence to support the thesis presented in this thread. The IC is being gutted and restructured, neocons and neoliberals in CIA and state are being forced out as 45 restructures the NSC. Plus we have Russian spies linked to 45's "intelligence report" being murdered in Moscow. Lots happening. Lots more to come. The Deep State war is intensifying. Don't be distracted by the noise, focus on what's actually happening behind the scenes. Like which high fashion designers made the most breathtaking vagina costumes for the Ladies March for Respect and Dignity. Edited January 29, 2017 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Like which high fashion designers made the most breathtaking vagina costumes for the Ladies March for Respect and Dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Sure seems like Trump really wants to provoke an attack on the USA. Banning our Muslim allies from entering us, putting political operative Bannon on the NSC, talking about torturing families. Reichstag fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Sure seems like Trump really wants to provoke an attack on the USA. Banning our Muslim allies from entering us, putting political operative Bannon on the NSC, talking about torturing families. Reichstag fire? [This is an automated response.] Shut up, you dumb !@#$ing monkey. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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