LB3 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Gary Busey said: tHeYtHiNkYoUrEsTuPiD IaBANdonThisSCREennameFRequentLYCusIMaPuSSy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 hours ago, John Adams said: Fallen flat. The president withheld aid. Brought up how much aid he gives to Ukraine. Asked for the favor of investigating his leading rival. Has had his lawyer all over Ukraine to investigate Biden. (If Rudy goes under oath and talks, look out. That guy could say anything. He's like Biden but more unpredictable.) The above statements are true. Umm, you're kind of stretching several of these points. Certainly you took as much or more issue with President Obama having more wiggle room with the Russians after he was reelected. Right? Our President is a tool. But that was a given prior to him being elected. Should we still not enter a new war by next year November nor the economy go into the tank he'll win w/ Bush/Dukakis numbers. Especially if the Dems spend another year+ playing this "I heard he did ____" when it was actually their own buddy that did that & not Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: And yet you still can't provide me any evidence that the money was withheld. It's not a real part of this story without evidence to support it. I'd love to see it if it exists, you are certain it's real so prove it and show us. You don't think the money was withheld? Are we really back to this? This is the least controversial of points. Trump admits to withholding the money. Quote You do. The "favor" ask was directly tied to 2016. Not Biden. That's what you're wrong about. Implying that it's connected is not accurate as the transcript shows. Here's a head start for you: Trump reminds Zelensky about Sid in the opening seconds of the call. Zelensky is a cloying president the whole time. Because he just loves the guy? Or for 400 million reasons? He's up Trump's ass he whole call. It's embarrassing but the $400M is the leverage. Trump then asks for 2 favors. One is Biden. You somehow think Trump cannot be thinking that investigating his top rival Biden assists Trump 2020. You have got to be joking. Not talking impeachment here DR. Trump reminds him about his leverage. Trump asks his cloying admirer for a favor. These things you agree with. But here you diverge and think Trump next sees no advantage to his campaign when he asks to investigate Biden. It's not quite Pro quo. It's leverage for favor. You can admit that. Edited September 27, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) The timeline of Trump’s decision to withhold aid to Ukraine is increasingly suspicious Trump ordered the aid held just ahead of a call with Ukraine’s president. (call on July 25) President Donald Trump reportedly asked his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to ensure Ukraine did not receive the $391 million in military aid Congress had approved — at least one week ahead of the phone call he made to that country’s leaders that now sits at the center of a whistleblower’s complaint. According to a report from the Washington Post Monday night, officials at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) told the Pentagon and State Department in mid-July to freeze the aid over “concerns” that the money didn’t need to be spent. The funds were finally released on September 11, but the timing of that request — not to mention Trump’s personal involvement — is drawing extra scrutiny as the whistleblower complaint roils Washington. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trump-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower While the current OMB Director is Mick Mulvaney, he is currently also the acting White House Chief of Staff. Edited September 27, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Let's look at this from a practical, common sense manner. Trump may not seem it on the surface, but he has shown great patience in keeping quiet regarding criminal activity perpetrated against him. He's allowing LE to make their cases rather than poison the well for his political expediency. If Trump's motivation here was to harm a political opponent wouldn't he have waited until Biden won the nomination? Why knock the guy out now when he could inflict much more damage to the dems if he waited until he was the nominee? John Adams/Ben Franklin/Beginners Mind, wtf is wrong with you? You and your other supporters here all grabbed a chair from the 3rd chair stack and are making the mistake of trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Even 3rdnlng who you compared to a fifth grader, knows better than that. You guys are so buried into your minutiae that you can't see the big picture. Just wait until my classmates hear all this at recess. We might challenge you pompous horses' asses to a debate. Don't worry, we'll each come with one hand tied behind our back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Let's look at this from a practical, common sense manner. Trump may not seem it on the surface, but he has shown great patience in keeping quiet regarding criminal activity perpetrated against him. Willis, what is this about which thou talkest? Quote If Trump's motivation here was to harm a political opponent wouldn't he have waited until Biden won the nomination? Stupid-o, he had the leverage in *that* moment. That's why he asked then. He had just withheld the money. He knew Congress would kill him when they got wind of it (and they did). So he asked right then. Have you ever seen such a sycophantic leader of another country? We learned so much from you. I wish I could keep winning so you would call more. You're so right about everything. Gobble gobble gobble. Edited September 27, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Let's look at this from a practical, common sense manner. Trump may not seem it on the surface, but he has shown great patience in keeping quiet regarding criminal activity perpetrated against him. He's allowing LE to make their cases rather than poison the well for his political expediency. If Trump's motivation here was to harm a political opponent wouldn't he have waited until Biden won the nomination? Why knock the guy out now when he could inflict much more damage to the dems if he waited until he was the nominee? John Adams/Ben Franklin/Beginners Mind, wtf is wrong with you? You and your other supporters here all grabbed a chair from the 3rd chair stack and are making the mistake of trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Even 3rdnlng who you compared to a fifth grader, knows better than that. You guys are so buried into your minutiae that you can't see the big picture. Just wait until my classmates hear all this at recess. We might challenge you pompous horses' asses to a debate. Don't worry, we'll each come with one hand tied behind our back. Yeah he's the next Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Yeah he's the next Ronald Reagan Empty comment but fully worthy of your intellect. Are you hungry? Do you need your diaper changed or do you just need to be held? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, John Adams said: Willis, what is this about which thou talkest? Stupid-o, he had the leverage in *that* moment. That's why he asked then. He had just withheld the money. He knew Congress would kill him when they got wind of it (and they did). So he asked right then. Have you ever seen such a sycophantic leader of another country? We learned so much from you. I wish I could keep winning so you would call more. You're so right about everything. Gobble gobble gobble. Keep trying to jam that square peg into a round hole. Quit trying to win fabricated points although this is what you are wont (learned that word last week in class) to do. The dems know they have jackshit. If they were serious and thought they had proof of anything, why would Adam Schiff come up with an opening statement like he did? I have decades of experience in negotiating small, large and often tricky deals. I don't say this here to fit in the fact that I'm a big time negotiator or that I drive a fancy car. I'll leave that for your other 3rd chair. I say that because I know what part leverage has in making deals. The U.S. didn't just have leverage at "that" moment. We have it all the time as it pertains to most other countries. You're trying too hard to make points rather than viewing the big picture and thinking about what makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, John Adams said: You don't think the money was withheld? Are we really back to this? I never left it. Still waiting for you to show me evidence the money actually was withheld... 3 hours ago, John Adams said: This is the least controversial of points. Then it should be very easy for you to provide me the documentation which shows this money was withheld. Not an anonymous report or media report citing others discussing it having happened without verification. Two days later and you still haven’t done it. Odd, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I never left it. Still waiting for you to show me evidence the money actually was withheld... Then it should be very easy for you to provide me the documentation which shows this money was withheld. If I link to Trump admitting he withheld the aid again, will you admit you were wrong again or just go quiet like you have on your assertion that Zelensky raised the European aid first in the call? Discussing the Ukraine aid, one Donald J. Trump on September 24: Quote “But my complaint has always been, and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine. Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. And I'm asking, why is that?” Better revise your position on this (again). Imagine if I read you nonsense this closely all the time. Good thing I don't or I'd be calling you on your bull#### even more! Edited September 27, 2019 by John Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, John Adams said: If I link to Trump admitting he withheld the aid again, will you admit you were wrong again or just go quiet like you have on your assertion that Zelensky raised the European aid first in the call? Discussing the Ukraine aid, one Donald J. Trump on September 24: Better revise your position on this (again). Imagine if I read you nonsense this closely all the time. Good thing I don't or I'd be calling you on your bull#### even more! Is there other context that you're omitting? Because that quote sounds more like we're withholding funds from EU because they aren't contributing enough to Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Is there other context that you're omitting? Because that quote sounds more like we're withholding funds from EU because they aren't contributing enough to Ukraine. He withheld the money from Ukraine. His rationale in that quote is that he feels like others aren't contributing enough (the EU has made 15B in loans to Ukraine...US had offered 1.5B in aid). DR doesn't believe that reports that he directed the withholding, but he admitted he did, and no doubt more will come on that if people are questioning the president's own admission. This seems like the least controversial part of this. If Trump didn't withhold the aid, he'd have already said it. "I didn't withhold aid from the Ukraine" would not be hard to say. Instead he said he'd do it again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: He withheld the money from Ukraine. His rationale in that quote is that he feels like others aren't contributing enough (the EU has made 15B in loans to Ukraine...US had offered 1.5B in aid). DR doesn't believe that reports that he directed the withholding, but he admitted he did, and no doubt more will come on that if people are questioning the president's own admission. This seems like the least controversial part of this. If Trump didn't withhold the aid, he'd have already said it. "I didn't withhold aid from the Ukraine" would not be hard to say. Instead he said he'd do it again! But didn't he withhold funding for multiple countries in an effort to equalize contributions (to some extent)? And still, that portion of the quote doesn't read the way you're saying it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: But didn't he withhold funding for multiple countries in an effort to equalize contributions (to some extent)? And still, that portion of the quote doesn't read the way you're saying it does. (moving my reply to the whisteblower thread in the interests of topic management) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Let me start out by saying I have no actual proof of the following: It is looking more and more like an entity (Rose Law Firm?) looked for a possible way to get to new impeachment charges against Trump. I wonder if they held a casting call (such as they did with AOC) to find an appropriate whistleblower. 4 minutes ago, John Adams said: (moving my reply to the whisteblower thread in the interests of topic management) I agree. We are all over the board. I'll kick your ass over there instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: We are all over the board. Busey creating 2 new threads today did no one any favors. Idiot (him, not you, in this case. You in most cases.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: Busey creating 2 new threads today did no one any favors. Idiot (him, not you, in this case. You in most cases.) Idiot - learn to count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: Busey creating 2 new threads today did no one any favors. Idiot (him, not you, in this case. You in most cases.) Hey, it's hard to keep up with school, homework and this place too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Idiot - learn to count Two new threads on the same topic already being discussed moran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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