The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:

[John Adams]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Also you continue to evade the point.  Trump asked them to look into 2016 corruption.  Biden's name came up AFTER.

 

I'd say you're bad at this, but you have obviously already had too much to drink.

 

 

Maybe you missed this. Joe Biden is running for president. He was leading polls head to head with the president. 

 

Do you somehow think Trump didn't know that and that an investigation could benefit his campaign? 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Maybe you missed this. Joe Biden is running for president. He was leading polls head to head with the president. 

 

Do you somehow think Trump didn't know that and that an investigation could benefit his campaign? 

 

 

Again..................just enough to spin it..................almost lawyer like.

 

 

What he asked in the phone conversation is what I stated.

 

What you are writing is what you want to believe Trump was thinking.

 

 

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Edited September 26, 2019 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

25 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Maybe you missed this. Joe Biden is running for president. He was leading polls head to head with the president. 

 

Do you somehow think Trump didn't know that and that an investigation could benefit his campaign? 

 

Yes, I somehow think that.  Specifically, I think that because Trump has the self-awareness of a garden snail.

 

Are you somehow think Trump has greater self-awareness than a garden snail?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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35 minutes ago, John Adams said:

Did Trump say he withheld the aid? Answer is YES. 

 

... False when used without context. 

 

He said he withheld many countries aid -- at that very same time. And the facts proved he was accurate. This is not the hill to die on, just like "all 17 intelligences agencies agreed with the ICA" wasn't the hill to die on. It's a lie, being spun by the SAME people who tricked you into believing the ICA was legit when it's based on a document/dossier you admit you do not find credible. 

 

They're lying to your face. Over and over again.

 

36 minutes ago, John Adams said:

Are you shitting me? He asked about the Bidens by name! 

 

Based on how wrong you've been about the "transcript" in the last few days (Remember saying Zelensky brought up the funding first? BZZT wrongo), I don't think you actually read it. 

 

He mentioned Biden well after discussing CROWDSTRIKE and the 2016 election. Again, you're snipping/ignoring 500+ words between those statements. 

 

The favor was not connected to 2020. That won't hold up in the eye of public opinion UNLESS you present it dishonestly as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News all did yesterday. 

 

500 words between those statements. You're wrong. Read the transcript and you'll see. 

[John Adams]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

He mentioned Biden well after discussing CROWDSTRIKE and the 2016 election. Again, you're snipping/ignoring 500+ words between those statements. 

 

The favor was not connected to 2020. That won't hold up in the eye of public opinion UNLESS you present it dishonestly as CNN, MSNBC and Fox News all did yesterday. 

 

500 words between those statements. You're wrong. Read the transcript and you'll see. 

 

Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate his lead 2020 opponent as a "favor" while he was withholding $400 million in aid to the same country.

 

Is it your position that he didn't know that favor would help the Trump 2020 campaign? 

 

Come on DR. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, John Adams said:

 

Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate his lead 2020 opponent as a "favor" while he was withholding $400 million in aid to the same country.

 

He asked a foreign leader to look into the 2016 election, and corruption from 2014 involving a US citizen. That's what the evidence lays out, not this. And there's no evidence other than anonymous speculation any money was withheld because of this. None. Zip. Zero. 

 

Link it if there is, because I'd love to see it.

[Warren Zevon]

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[Deranged Rhino]

John Solomon dumping documents re Ukraine/Biden here: 

https://www.scribd.com/user/259237201/JohnSolomon

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[John Adams]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

He asked a foreign leader to look into the 2016 election, and corruption from 2014 involving a US citizen.

 

 

It took 359 times before you admitted Russia ran a campaign to influence our election and the IC report conclusion on that was correct.

 

So there 358 times to go as I ask this again:

 

Is it your position that he didn't know that favor of investigating Biden would help the Trump 2020 campaign? 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by John Adams

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, John Adams said:

 

It took 359 times before you admitted Russia ran a campaign to influence our election and the IC report conclusion on that was correct.

 

Untrue. I said that from day one. 

 

Just now, John Adams said:

 

 

Is it your position that he didn't know that favor of investigating Biden would help the Trump 2020 campaign? 

 

 

Nah, that's not how this works. You stated that things are facts when they're not. Prove they're facts. Show me links of the money being withheld. Show me that Trump DIDN'T talk about the 2016 election well before talking about Biden. 

 

Go.

[John Adams]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Nah, that's not how this works. You stated that things are facts when they're not. Prove they're facts. Show me links of the money being withheld. Show me that Trump DIDN'T talk about the 2016 election well before talking about Biden. 

 

Go.

 

Oh my god. You think Trump asked for that favor and didn't believe it would benefit his campaign. Incredible. You love you some Trump. 

 

Everything I stated was a fact. 

 

-Trump withheld aid money from Ukraine

- Trump brought up how much aid the us gives

- Trump asked the president to investigate his lead political rival by name

- Trump released the aid because Congress gave him hell

- Trump's lawyer has been acting to influence Ukraine to investigate Biden

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, John Adams said:

Everything I stated was a fact. 

 

It's not. If it were, it should be easy for you to provide me links and proof that Trump withheld money specifically for the purposes of extorting the Ukraine. 

[John Adams]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's not. If it were, it should be easy for you to provide me links and proof that Trump withheld money specifically for the purposes of extorting the Ukraine. 

 

You're an idiot. Yesterday you didn't even think he withheld the money. Now you want me to show where he admitted to extortion. Anyplace else you want to move the goalposts to? 

 

He was leveraging US aid in the call (which is why it was the first thing he brought up) before asking for the favor of investigating his lead rival, but you can't admit he knew that investigating his lead rival would help the Trump 2020 campaign. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by John Adams

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, John Adams said:

 

You're an idiot. Yesterday you didn't even think he withheld the money.

 

That's still my position. And you can prove me wrong easily if it's a fact... yet I still don't see any links to anything making this case? 

 

I wonder why? 

 

The money being withheld was NOT just the Ukrainian money, but MULTIPLE countries. Because it wasn't about Biden a favor, or the Ukraine. It was Trump's policy to get more in return for our aid. 

 

Prove me wrong. 

 

1 minute ago, John Adams said:

He was leveraging US aid in the call (which is why it was the first thing he brought up) before asking for the favor of investigating his lead rival, but you can't admit he knew that investigating his lead rival would help the Trump 2020 campaign. 

 

You still have the order of the call wrong. Which is silly because everyone can read it. He talked about the 2016 election after mentioning the favor. Biden was well after. 

 

This is important context which you are running right past... because you're once again falling for the framing of the story by the IC rather than your own two eyes and brain.

[Numark3]

Brrrrrr, this deep state war sure is hot lol.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.

 

He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

 

There’s just one problem.

 

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

 

And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma’s legal troubles and stop prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

 

The WHOLE establishment got their beaks wet in the Ukraine, starting with the US/Soros backed coup in 2014. It exposes a nexus of corruption for, but not limited to:

 

* Victoria Nuland/Clinton and the neoliberal/neocon establishment

* McCain and his crew

* Romney and his crew

* Kerry, Biden, Obama

 

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

The WHOLE establishment got their beaks wet in the Ukraine, starting with the US/Soros backed coup in 2014. It exposes a nexus of corruption for, but not limited to:

 

* Victoria Nuland/Clinton and the neoliberal/neocon establishment

* McCain and his crew

* Romney and his crew

* Kerry, Biden, Obama

 

 

And Putin, who got the Crimea out of it.  And who's Putin's puppet?  Trump.

 

So this all gets back to Trump's corruption.  Impeach him.

 

[John Adams]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's still my position.

 

No, your new position is that I have to prove extortion. Yesterday you said Trump "didn't withhold the funding before the call -- it was being earmarked and in process." 

 

Which is 100% wrong. 

 

Again. 

 

Trump withheld it, with others, and at least with the Ukies, he had an ask. 

 

He got on the phone and before asking for his "favors," reminded Zelensky about how he had $400 million reasons to do him said favors. It was a total power move before asking for the favor. You think Trump hasn't used this tactic before in a negotiation? It's a basic business power move. Not even subtle.

 

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

You still have the order of the call wrong. Which is silly because everyone can read it. He talked about the 2016 election after mentioning the favor. Biden was well after. 

 

I don't have the order of the call wrong. 

 

"Let me remind you about all the money we have and give your country."

 

"Let's talk about the server."

 

"Let's talk Bidens."

 

But you think when he brought up the Bidens, that wouldn't bring Trump 2020 any advantage. That he did that in a vacuum where money and his election had NOTHING to do with the Biden ask.

 

Let's not talk about whether it's impeachable, but do you really think Trump wasn't leveraging the withheld money for a couple favors? Not a quid pro quo where releasing the money had anything to do with the ask, but a "we've got you by the balls with this $400 million, now dance for us." 

 

Come on man, really? 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

24 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

 

And yet you still can't provide me any evidence that the money was withheld. It's not a real part of this story without evidence to support it. I'd love to see it if it exists, you are certain it's real so prove it and show us.

26 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

 

 

I don't have the order of the call wrong. 

 

 

You do. The "favor" ask was directly tied to 2016. Not Biden. 

 

That's what you're wrong about. Implying that it's connected is not accurate as the transcript shows. 

 

Here's a head start for you: