The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:

[Deranged Rhino]

The Washington Post has a bias, of course. That doesn't mean it's the same as literal state-sponsored media.

 

I said in my post that it was an imperfect description - but it's much closer to reality than you're acknowledging. It's uncomfortable to admit that our country is every bit as dirty in the intelligence game as those countries we're programmed to see as our enemy. But it's still the truth, verified by years of FOIA documents and first hand testimony. The CIA has released thousands of pages of documents acknowledging the very fact they do seek to control media narratives with direct and indirect action. They wrap it in a different kind of wrapping paper than the Kremlin, but it's the same game played to the same effect.

 

To deny this is to deny reality. Which, of course, is a choice most Americans choose every day... and brings us back to William Casey's famous quote referenced above.

 

If you still have doubts, look into Michael Hasting's murder because he was investigating then CIA director Brennan.

 

It also doesn't explain the lack of evidence in the Rich case. So far the evidence is - 1) Rich worked for the DNC. 2) His murderers were never caught. Everything else comes back to the evidence this investigator supposedly has which will "soon come out."

 

This (and all that followed it) is blatantly untrue and spun to fit your predetermined conclusion.

 

Which is fine, you're free to think (or not think) however you wish. But there is much more evidence than just that, and I'm not, nor is anyone else, basing the entire Rich case on Wheeler's investigation. It merely is another piece of a puzzle that has been being put together since last July. The fact you believe that this is the only source of evidence merely shows how little you actually know about this case and why it's important. Which is a shame because this case cuts to the core of the entire Russian narrative that's been forced down our throats for the past year. A narrative that's been so effective it's managed to flip the progressive left wing of this country into the pro-war party.

 

Think about that.

 

You (I think?) consider yourself on the left side of the spectrum to some degree (which is fine, I'm politically agnostic - not a righty or lefty, I have no problem with people on either side of the divide)... the left which just spent 8 years lamenting W's decision to invade Iraq (justifiably so) has now completely flipped and is begging for not only another quagmire in Syria, but also open war with Russia...

 

It's been an amazing shift, all due to the cult of personality of Clinton and the media narrative driven by factions within CIA and the FBI. If nothing else, that's been the big psyop of 2016, not the Russian meddling in our election.

 

But back to Rich...

There is plenty of other evidence, including Assange all but saying Rich was the leak. If you understood how intelligence agencies operate, you'd understand why that bit of evidence is enormous regardless of your opinions on Assange's politics. You'd also understand how the American IC, arguably the world's most effective intelligence agency (maybe second), is more than capable of executing a disinformation campaign using our own media - as they've done for decades.

 

Look beyond Wheeler. Look at the timing of the Podesta releases in relation to Rich's murder and look at Wikileaks' immediate response to Seth's murder. Assange was all over the place making the case. Look at the murder itself, the inconsistencies within that investigation, including multiple people citing pressure being brought to bear by people in DC.

 

More importantly, ask yourself why the DNC would deny the FBI access to the servers in question unless they had something to hide. What did they have to hide from the FBI when they were the ones calling for the investigation? Did they distrust the FBI? Or were they aware the FBI had Rich's laptop in their possession with 44k emails from the DNC on it?

 

Then look at the emails themselves, including this one: Robby Mook and John Podesta talking about making an example out of any leakers - even if there's no basis for it! https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36082

 

In Podesta's own words: "I'm definitely

> for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any real > basis for it."

 

Then, there's Dilbert... which is proof of nothing but thrown in for fun... though it's worth pointing out Adams has been more prescient on these matters than every single talking head in the MSM: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/864494157825425408

 

And there's this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html

 

This is from the FBI (not Wheeler):

An FBI forensic report of Rich's computer -- generated within 96 hours after Rich's murder -- showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.

This is an anonymous source - and thus deserves skepticism - but if you had been tracking this since July you'd know the FBI ran it's own investigation into this investigation, which was confirmed in July and the Fall of '16 in multiple outlets, and it was that investigation in addition to the Weiner laptop situation and how Comey handled them both which accelerated the fracture within the FBI that we all saw boil over during the last gasp of the campaign and the first 100 days of 45.

Do your own homework on this. I'm not trying to convince you on my word alone. There's much more to this than you're acknowledging. There's a clear motive, a clear opportunity, and a clear pattern of evidence including first hand confirmations from the only people who would have handled the documents. There's A LOT of right wing noise thrown into those stories and investigations - no question - but that's no reason to dismiss the actual facts buried beneath the spin.

This should be the story. The recent book on Clinton's campaign "Shattered" states the Russia narrative was "hatched" shortly after the loss by Podesta. The MSM has too much invested in claiming the Russia hack...

 

Exactly - which is why everyone's suspicion should be raised when the primary blow back from this story stems from the Washington Post, the NYT and fricking Buzzfeed - all compromised institutions.

[Deranged Rhino]

Bias alert: Caitlin Johnstone article (but worth a read with that in mind)

 

So that’s a thing now. Until today, Seth Rich was someone you just weren’t allowed to talk about, like Voldemort or the Rothschilds, but no more. The days when we could be called crazy conspiracy theorists exploiting a man’s death for political gain and upsetting his grieving family are officially over. The police would not be holding onto his laptop if this were some random mugging; we all know what this is. We’re allowed to talk about Seth Rich now, but the Washington Post wants us talking about Russia.

 

(snip)

 

Seth Rich being the leaker effectively kills the entire Russian hacking narrative, and thus the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative that was built upon it, and thus all the manipulations which were built upon the collusion narrative. Could the CIA have known in advance that this propaganda-killing narrative was about to hit the airwaves? Of course. Would they have wanted to distract America in order to ensure the continued manufactured consent for escalations with Putin and regime change in Syria? Yes.

 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/theres-major-!@#$ery-afoot-with-the-washington-post-and-i-think-i-know-why-fc32e574d49f

Edited May 17, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[B-Man]

 

 

Seth Rich being the leaker effectively kills the entire Russian hacking narrative,

 

and thus the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative that was built upon it,

 

and thus all the manipulations which were built upon the collusion narrative.

 

 

 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/theres-major-!@#$ery-afoot-with-the-washington-post-and-i-think-i-know-why-fc32e574d49f

 

 

No, no, no....

 

aren't you paying attention to our wise posters here ?

 

Trump and his whole administration will be thrown out within the week......

 

I think they are setting up the stands for Hillary's Inaugural in DC already........

 

NETWORKS PUSH 'IMPEACHMENT'

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

Does anyone else find it suspicious that Rich was killed at 420? In a District where weed is legal.

[GoBills808]

Bias alert: Caitlin Johnstone article (but worth a read with that in mind)

 

So that’s a thing now. Until today, Seth Rich was someone you just weren’t allowed to talk about, like Voldemort or the Rothschilds, but no more. The days when we could be called crazy conspiracy theorists exploiting a man’s death for political gain and upsetting his grieving family are officially over. The police would not be holding onto his laptop if this were some random mugging; we all know what this is. We’re allowed to talk about Seth Rich now, but the Washington Post wants us talking about Russia.

 

(snip)

 

Seth Rich being the leaker effectively kills the entire Russian hacking narrative, and thus the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative that was built upon it, and thus all the manipulations which were built upon the collusion narrative. Could the CIA have known in advance that this propaganda-killing narrative was about to hit the airwaves? Of course. Would they have wanted to distract America in order to ensure the continued manufactured consent for escalations with Putin and regime change in Syria? Yes.

 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/theres-major-!@#$ery-afoot-with-the-washington-post-and-i-think-i-know-why-fc32e574d49f

Have you seen this?

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/

[Deranged Rhino]

Have you seen this?

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/

 

I have.

 

It doesn't address anything relevant to the story or wasn't already known. Wheeler's investigation isn't the only evidence by any stretch. It's a piece, and the piece that is at the crux of that story was addressed here:

 

 

 

And there's this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html

 

This is from the FBI (not Wheeler):

An FBI forensic report of Rich's computer -- generated within 96 hours after Rich's murder -- showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.

This is an anonymous source - and thus deserves skepticism - but if you had been tracking this since July you'd know the FBI ran it's own investigation into this investigation, which was confirmed in July and the Fall of '16 in multiple outlets, and it was that investigation in addition to the Weiner laptop situation and how Comey handled them both which accelerated the fracture within the FBI that we all saw boil over during the last gasp of the campaign and the first 100 days of 45.

Do your own homework on this. I'm not trying to convince you on my word alone. There's much more to this than you're acknowledging. There's a clear motive, a clear opportunity, and a clear pattern of evidence including first hand confirmations from the only people who would have handled the documents. There's A LOT of right wing noise thrown into those stories and investigations - no question - but that's no reason to dismiss the actual facts buried beneath the spin.

 

If Wheeler were the primary piece of evidence, that would be a big deal.

 

But he isn't.

 

It's more likely an example of what I was getting at with this yesterday:

 

...This is going to be a great example of how the narrative is manipulated (or attempted to be manipulated) by the IC in this country.

[GoBills808]

 

I have.

 

It doesn't address anything relevant to the story or wasn't already known. Wheeler's investigation isn't the only evidence by any stretch. It's a piece, and the piece that is at the crux of that story was addressed here:

 

 

 

If Wheeler were the primary piece of evidence, that would be a big deal.

 

But he isn't.

 

It's more likely an example of what I was getting at with this yesterday:

 

But that means your entire theory of Rich being taken out by Podesta and then used as fodder in the IC's info war against the American people to justify Cold War 2.0 in hopes of securing the neoconservative legacy rests solely upon...believing the reports of an anonymous FBI agent?

 

Wha?

[Deranged Rhino]

But that means your entire theory of Rich being taken out by Podesta and then used as fodder in the IC's info war against the American people to justify Cold War 2.0 in hopes of securing the neoconservative legacy rests solely upon...believing the reports of an anonymous FBI agent?

 

Wha?

 

That is incorrect.

[GoBills808]

 

That is incorrect.

I wasn't trying to belittle your theory, sorry, just looking for clarity. Because without Wheeler it seems like that's what you're left with.

 

And the Drudge Reports of the world's screaming, of course.

[reddogblitz]

And there's this: http://www.foxnews.c...gator-says.html

 

 

Gotta love this url Edited May 17, 2017 by reddogblitz

[Deranged Rhino]

I wasn't trying to belittle your theory, sorry, just looking for clarity. Because without Wheeler it seems like that's what you're left with.

 

And the Drudge Reports of the world's screaming, of course.

 

That is incorrect, and slightly disappointing considering the time I took to (over multiple posts) demonstrate why that's a lousy a conclusion to draw.

 

But it is the conclusion you're being programmed to repeat.

[GoBills808]

 

That is incorrect, and slightly disappointing considering the time I took to (over multiple posts) demonstrate why that's a lousy a conclusion to draw.

 

But it is the conclusion you're being programmed to repeat.

I try to follow as best I can and I appreciate the time you take to lay out your conclusions. I'm admittedly new here and I've been trying my best to keep up. My post was a little tongue in cheek but what I think a reasonably informed citizen might conclude for himself.

 

Totally get it if you don't want to repeat yourself, but understand that I really enjoy your perspective and want to contribute to the dialogue. I guess I just need to catch up.

[Deranged Rhino]

I'm going to post this here too:

 

(Slight topic change, consider this dessert)

 

The UFO community for years has spoken about the TR-3B, a classic triangle UFO like this:

The speculation has long held that these triangle craft are not ET in origin but man-made as a part of a classified secret space program.

Strangely, as of two days ago, the patent for the TR-3B was unceremoniously released on the internet without any fanfare or reason:

https://www.google.c...569981762970673

https://www.google.com/patents/US3675879(more patents on the propulsion)

The patent itself dates back to 1972, includes anti-gravity systems and newer propulsion systems patented in 2009. This is not only tacit admission of a far more advanced US space program than NASA, it's confirmation that the US government has had the ability to built anti-gravitic craft for at least four decades.

Even if you don't buy into the ET hypothesis, this is a major development and admission that there is much we are not being told about human space programs.

Back to the regularly scheduled discussion...

Edited May 17, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[Benjamin Franklin]

I'm going to post this here too:

 

(Slight topic change, consider this dessert)

The UFO community for years has spoken about the TR-3B, a classic triangle UFO like this:

The speculation has long held that these triangle craft are not ET in origin but man-made as a part of a classified secret space program.

Strangely, as of two days ago, the patent for the TR-3B was unceremoniously released on the internet without any fanfare or reason:

https://www.google.c...569981762970673

https://www.google.com/patents/US3675879(more patents on the propulsion)

The patent itself dates back to 1972, includes anti-gravity systems and newer propulsion systems patented in 2009. This is not only tacit admission of a far more advanced US space program than NASA, it's confirmation that the US government has had the ability to built anti-gravitic craft for at least four decades.

Even if you don't buy into the ET hypothesis, this is a major development and admission that there is much we are not being told about human space programs.

Back to the regularly scheduled discussion...

My birthday is in two weeks. No early gifts for me, thanks.

[Deranged Rhino]

My birthday is in two weeks. No early gifts for me, thanks.

Happy (early) birthday.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Happy (early) birthday.

 

OK I opened your gift. Lots of crazy to unpack there, even by your standards. I'll stick with the patents.

 

US3675879 is a patent for more or less simulating gravity by charging a surface (like a floor) so that oppositely charged elements, say boots, might be attracted to the floor to create a gravity simulation. Nothing to cover up. It is not a patent for "propulsion."

 

Your published patent APPLICATION (it is NOT a patent) at https://www.google.c...569981762970673 was not "just released." It published 11 years ago. The US Patent and Trademark Office summarily rejected this stupid space time warping nonsense application for more or less being full of shite. The patent office examiner pointed out that the application was a work of fiction, and the applicant never responded, so the application went abandoned. The applicant (I'm loathe to say inventor...let's call him an author instead) likely created this junk, backfitting it to the triangle spacecraft narrative that your tinfoil groups spooge over, launching himself into fame and glory among the conspiracy set.

 

NASA has nothing to do with either of these patent applications so that's another hole in your tale.

 

Thank you for the birthday gift.

 

Stick with the Illuminati takeover of the US.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

NASA has nothing to do with either of these patent applications so that's another hole in your tale.

 

It would be a hole if that were something I ever said.

 

 

Stick with the Illuminati takeover of the US.

 

Another thing I've never said nor argued.

 

But you knew that.

 

Thanks for demonstrating your continued dishonesty, and happy birthday (that was sincere)

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

It would be a hole if that were something I ever said.

 

 

Another thing I've never said nor argued.

 

But you knew that.

 

Thanks for demonstrating your continued dishonesty, and happy birthday (that was sincere)

Regarding NASA, you'r right. You said the US government could build an antigravitronic (or something) spacecraft. Regarding Illuminati, it's close enough.

 

And the rest of your post is total bunk and even you couldn't escape the hole you dug yourself. Check your sources next time.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin

[Deranged Rhino]

Regarding NASA, you'r right. You said the US government could build an antigravitronic (or something) spacecraft. Regarding Illuminati, it's close enough.

 

 

This is what a dishonest man with no argument says.

 

Your only method of discussion is to take two things, one I said and one I never said, argue against the thing I never said and then pretend you've scored a point.

 

It's a poor way to have a conversation, and shows just how scared you are of thinking for yourself.

 

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Back to the main course:

 

Catherine Austin Fitts alert (but worth the read):

 

 

James Comey, the now former head of the FBI, is also the former General Counsel of Lockheed Martin, the largest defense contractor and weapons manufacturer in America and hedge fund advisor.

Lockheed Martin used to run significant information and payment systems at the Department of Defense. They appear to have spun their subsidiary out of the company after DOD closed their fiscal 2015, with $6.5 trillion of undocumentable adjustments.

(snip)

Here is what you need to know about James Comey. Everything he said or did related to Hillary Clinton or President Trump is unimportant. The fact that James Comey did and said nothing about $6. 5 trillion missing from your government in fiscal 2015 tells you all you need to know about James Comey.

(snip)

You should also remember that the last time these folks tried to engineer an impeachment process was when all the money started to disappear from the federal accounts and the federal mortgage programs were used to explode the mortgage fraud that lead to $27 trillion of bailouts for the banks.

https://solari.com/blog/all-you-need-to-know-about-james-comey/

(more here: https://solari.com/blog/lockheed-cuts-runs/ )

Edited May 18, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[Benjamin Franklin]

And the nonsense patents argument, the crux of your proof and post? I already mopped up that part of your post. You're as eager to ignore that problem as to answer with your theory about 9-11.

 

I'd have to google the group you think Is behind all your conspiracies. Tom mentions it sometimes. Illuminati captures it well enough. Brandenberg? [edit: that's the concertos. Bildeberg is your group.]

Edited May 18, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin