The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:

[Foxx]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Those released docs from Doug Collins have some "interesting" testimony.  If only we had a press that was interested in reporting it. 

James Rybicki (Comey's Chief of Staff)

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Chairman Gowdy. When was that -- I'm aware of that matter, and I appreciate the sensitive way in which you're handling it. When was the Director made aware of the other factor?
Mr. Rybicki. Mr. Chairman, I don't remember the exact timeline, but it was early 2016. I don't remember the first time he was made aware of it. I want to say early 2016, and continued on through that spring.
Chairman Gowdy. So we have a fall of 2015 request that it be referred to as a matter, not an investigation. We have another factor, perhaps in early 2016, that the Director was very concerned about, but has not to this day spoken publicly about and cannot speak publicly about. And both of those took place before May.
Mr. Rybicki. Yes, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Gowdy. All right. And they both fall under the heading of the public could not -- could potentially not have confidence in the integrity of the Justice Department. Is that fair?
Mr. Rybicki. Yes.

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Mr. Parmiter. You were in the meeting with the Director when he was told by Attorney General Lynch to call the Clinton email investigation a "matter." Is that correct?
Mr. Rybicki. That's correct.
Mr. Parmiter. When did this meeting occur?
Mr. Rybicki. My recollection is fall of 2015. I don't remember the exact date. I do remember that both the Director and Attorney General Lynch had Hill appearances coming up, and that's what prompted the meeting.
Mr. Parmiter. By Hill appearances you mean testimony before congressional committees?
Mr. Rybicki. That's my recollection, yes.

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from this, it would appear that Lynch is the one lying about the, 'call it a matter' issue.

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

I do not see how this doesn't turn very ugly, unless somebody blinks. 

You do not think what the Obama administration did to candidate/president-elect Donald Trump, and what the head of the CIA and FBI continued to do to President Trump was ugly?  

Sedition is an ugly, ugly act. 

[Foxx]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This may have been posted here since the original WaPo article ("Obama's secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin's Election Assault" Oy vey.  ) they are quoting was from 2017, but nevertheless worth reading.

Link to article
 

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Deep inside a 7,700-plus word Washington Post article published June 23, 2017, the newspaper detailed the highly compartmentalized nature of the original Russia interference investigation and the manner in which other U.S. intelligence agencies were deliberately kept in the dark.
 

According to the newspaper, in the summer of 2016, CIA Director John Brennan convened a “secret task force at CIA headquarters composed of several dozen analysts and officers from the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.”
 

The Post described the unit as so secretive it functioned as a “sealed compartment” hidden even from the rest of the U.S. intelligence community; a unit whose workers were all made to sign additional non-disclosure forms.
 

The unit reported to top officials, the newspaper documented:
 

They worked exclusively for two groups of “customers,” officials said. The first was Obama and fewer than 14 senior officials in government. The second was a team of operations specialists at the CIA, NSA and FBI who took direction from the task force on where to aim their subsequent efforts to collect more intelligence on Russia.

The number of Obama administration officials who were allowed access to the Russia intelligence was also highly limited, The Post reported. At first only four senior officials were involved: Brennan, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and then-FBI Director James Comey. Their aides were all barred from attending the initial meetings, The Post stated.
 

The newspaper continued :
 

Gradually, the circle widened to include Vice President Biden and others. Agendas sent to Cabinet secretaries — including John F. Kerry at the State Department and Ashton B. Carter at the Pentagon — arrived in envelopes that subordinates were not supposed to open. Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room.
 

Adding another layer of secrecy, the newspaper reported that when the closed Cabinet sessions on Russia began in the White House Situation Room in August, the video feed from the main room was cut off during the meetings.
 

The feed, which allows only for video and not audio, is usually kept on so that senior aides can see when a meeting takes place.
 

The paper reported:
 

The blacked-out screens were seen as an ominous sign among lower-level White House officials who were largely kept in the dark about the Russia deliberations even as they were tasked with generating options for retaliation against Moscow.
 

The compartmentalization may help to explain why it was only Brennan’s CIA, Comey’s FBI and the NSA that penned the January 6, 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community report alleging Russian interference in the presidential race.  Numerous news media reports originally falsely claimed the report was authored by all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.
 

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holy *****. this is a WaPo article? it is all going to come out!

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

from this, it would appear that Lynch is the one lying about the, 'call it a matter' issue.

I guess when you have two liars (Comey and Lynch) the third person is the tie-breaker? ?‍♀️

 

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

holy *****. this is a WaPo article? it is all going to come out!

From 2017. Looking back though, the context is somewhat different after all we know today. 

[Foxx]

10 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Everything is just around the corner.  Declassification, revelations about Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Clinton, et al are just around the corner.  That's the good news.

 

The bad news is that's it's around the corner between Pluto and Niribu.  It's not happening.  The only question is whether they have to run out the clock until 2020 or 2024, but they have the ability to do both.

let's hope you are wrong. for the future of the republic, you had better be wrong.

 

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

These people you think will be exposed are still very much in control and zero will happen.  

i think you are wrong. i hope you are wrong.

 

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They're not in control though.

 

* 14 high ranking officials were fired/removed/retired from control in the DOJ/FBI alone. 

* 40+ Congressmen decided "not to run" in 2018 -- most reached that conclusion not by their own free will but because they were given an option to get out or be exposed/face criminal prosecutions. 

* Multiple high ranking Intel heads had their security clearances revoked and are now out of the loop (and likely under FISA surveillance)

* There are four - not one or two or three, but four - ongoing criminal investigations by US attorneys into everything from FISA abuse, to criminal leaking, to sedition. 

 

Comey will be indicted before the fall. 

McCabe will be indicted before the fall. 

Baker will be indicted before the fall. 

 

Those three will open investigative doors into the State Department (Kerry, Winer, Clinton, Power) and the USIC (Clapper, Brennan, Hayden). 

 

Due process, real due process, is slow by design. But don't mistake that with nothing happening. Lots already has happened, historic things have happened in fact -- with more to come. 

the con to the bolded is that these are merely puppets and not the hidden hand. minions are replaceable.

Edited May 21, 2019 by Foxx

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

let's hope you are wrong. for the future of the republic, you had better be wrong.

 

i think you are wrong. i hope you are wrong.

 

the con to the bolded is that these are merely puppets and not the hidden hand. minions are replaceable.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not wrong.

[GG]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You do not think what the Obama administration did to candidate/president-elect Donald Trump, and what the head of the CIA and FBI continued to do to President Trump was ugly?  

Sedition is an ugly, ugly act. 

Of course it's ugly if that's what happened. 

 

But you have one half of the country convinced that the other side is the one who committed treason.  

 

One side has had 2 years of a constant public drum beat of conspiracy and collusion.  The other side has been waiting for the mythical unveiling of the coup.

 

How do you resolve it without massive casualties if the indictments just drop?

[Deranged Rhino]

12 minutes ago, GG said:

I do not see how this doesn't turn very ugly, unless somebody blinks. 

 

Yup. 

 

I think it's possible someone has already blinked - and what we're seeing is theater designed to slowly let the air out of the balloon before it pops. The Mueller report made it clear to the higher ups in the coup plotter chain that their goose is cooked. Some of the lower level lts haven't gotten that word yet, but they're not in any position to stop what's coming from Barr and the DOJ.

 

I think (hope?) the cases they've spent the last two years making against the more public figures in this saga are so airtight and evidence laden that it'll be impossible for rational people to dismiss. They'll try, and they'll whine and complain for the first few weeks -- but if the evidence is as overwhelming as it looks to be, that will be a vocal minority rather than 50/50 split of the country.

 

But I'm an optimist.  

 

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

the con to the bolded is that these are merely puppets and not the hidden hand. minions are replaceable.

 

Very true  

 

My counter is they're the ones in position to assure the hidden hand never faces justice/exposure. Clearing the decks of the DOJ/FBI opens the door so to speak to real change/justice. This whole spygate / coup exposure is really just step one. I don't know how many more steps are coming, but there's more coming from everything I've gathered. Without this clean out though, the rest can't happen.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, GG said:

Of course it's ugly if that's what happened. 

 

But you have one half of the country convinced that the other side is the one who committed treason.  

 

One side has had 2 years of a constant public drum beat of conspiracy and collusion.  The other side has been waiting for the mythical unveiling of the coup.

 

How do you resolve it without massive casualties if the indictments just drop?

The indictments are going to drop. It is not the AGs problem that the MSM has been lying/complicit in the "Get Trump" narrative for the last 2+ years. Are you suggesting there should not be indictments because the Democrats won't like that!? 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

Of course it's ugly if that's what happened. 

 

But you have one half of the country convinced that the other side is the one who committed treason.  

 

One side has had 2 years of a constant public drum beat of conspiracy and collusion.  The other side has been waiting for the mythical unveiling of the coup.

 

How do you resolve it without massive casualties if the indictments just drop?

 

That's why I think the plan will be to slowly roll these out. Starting with Comey makes so much sense because both sides have hated him at times. It could be a unifying indictment so to speak, if there's as much evidence as it appears to show his guilt. 

 

Baker and McCabe would come next (not too long after) -- and be easier to swallow because of Comey. 

 

Then other indictments (of the lower level DOJ/FBI folk) will be easier etc etc. 

 

If they drop Comey/Brennan/Clapper/Lynch all on day one, then it would likely get REAL ugly real fast. 

[GG]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

The indictments are going to drop. It is not the AGs problem that the MSM has been lying/complicit in the "Get Trump" narrative for the last 2+ years. Are you suggesting there should not be indictments because the Democrats won't like that!? 

 

This is one of those cases where much consideration needs to be placed on what is the "right" thing to do and the "right" way to do it

 

The only analogy I can provide is how sometimes husbands respond to a question from the wife....

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

This is one of those cases where much consideration needs to be placed on what is the "right" thing to do and the "right" way to do it

 

The only analogy I can provide is how sometimes husbands respond to a question from the wife....

My biggest concern is what they do with Obama, and possibly Hillary. That will have to be handled with kid gloves (possibly a proactive presidential pardon ? - which would piss off many, but maybe for the best).

The way the finger pointing is going it looks like all the bad actors (Brennan, Clapper, etc) want Comey to be the fall-guy. He has few friends on the D or R side, and takes creepy, esoteric photos amongst the trees - he's the perfect guy to set-up for the most jail time! 

[DC Tom]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's why I think the plan will be to slowly roll these out. Starting with Comey makes so much sense because both sides have hated him at times. It could be a unifying indictment so to speak, if there's as much evidence as it appears to show his guilt. 

 

Baker and McCabe would come next (not too long after) -- and be easier to swallow because of Comey. 

 

Then other indictments (of the lower level DOJ/FBI folk) will be easier etc etc. 

 

If they drop Comey/Brennan/Clapper/Lynch all on day one, then it would likely get REAL ugly real fast. 

 

If they don't get them all on day one, at leadt two would flee the country, I expect.

 

Regardless, there's a significant number of people who would view it as Trump persecuting political enemies, and consider it a casus belli.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

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Just now, DC Tom said:

 

If they don't get them all on day one, at leadt two would flee the country, I expect.

 

Regardless, there's a significant number of people who would view it as Trump persecuting political enemies, and consider it a casus belli.

I'm kinda surprised a few haven't already.

(Pretty sure Tony Podesta is somewhere difficult to reach.)

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

If they don't get them all on day one, at leadt two would flee the country, I expect.

 

Regardless, there's a significant number of people who would view it as Trump persecuting political enemies, and consider it a casus belli.

  Maybe that is the desired outcome in having a couple flee the country.  It would be an admission of guilt to even a lot of the looney left.  The Clinton jet holds how many?

[Foxx]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

... Very true  

 

My counter is they're the ones in position to assure the hidden hand never faces justice/exposure. Clearing the decks of the DOJ/FBI opens the door so to speak to real change/justice. This whole spygate / coup exposure is really just step one. I don't know how many more steps are coming, but there's more coming from everything I've gathered. Without this clean out though, the rest can't happen.

in my estimation, you are correct, this would be the first step (gosh is that first step taking forever to unroll). by my understanding, while the beginning of the corruption quite possibly began back in 1913, i believe the current corruption began during the Reagan administration. the systemic underbelly is likely deep at this point and a systemic operation to eradicate said nefarious elements would be not only necessary but welcome. with that said, i don't trust them, one bit. call me jaded but, and this is why i am considered an anarchist, i think the only way to ensure a complete purge is to push the lot of them to the curb and start over.  

 

20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's why I think the plan will be to slowly roll these out. Starting with Comey makes so much sense because both sides have hated him at times. It could be a unifying indictment so to speak, if there's as much evidence as it appears to show his guilt. 

 

Baker and McCabe would come next (not too long after) -- and be easier to swallow because of Comey. 

 

Then other indictments (of the lower level DOJ/FBI folk) will be easier etc etc. 

 

If they drop Comey/Brennan/Clapper/Lynch all on day one, then it would likely get REAL ugly real fast. 

are your sources telling you this?

 

19 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is one of those cases where much consideration needs to be placed on what is the "right" thing to do and the "right" way to do it

 

The only analogy I can provide is how sometimes husbands respond to a question from the wife....

lol, yes dear.

Edited May 21, 2019 by Foxx

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I'm kinda surprised a few haven't already.

(Pretty sure Tony Podesta is somewhere difficult to reach.)

 

They still have a belief that the rule of law will go their way (i.e. that they'll get the impeachment they want.) . It's ingrained in their self-identity at this point; the moment that's attacked is the moment people become dangerous.

 

(I also have this really odd thing where I can't click the "Quote" link on your posts.  I have to multi-quote to quote them.  Whatever your board issue is with posting, it's weird.)

 

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Maybe that is the desired outcome in having a couple flee the country.  It would be an admission of guilt to even a lot of the looney left.  The Clinton jet holds how many?

 

Or they're seeking asylum from political persecution, because Trump's going after his enemies and using the DoJ as his own Gestapo.

 

Think like someone who, again, has made the #Resistance an integrated part of your self-identity.  Would you believe you were wrong?  Would you accept contrary evidence as contrary, or find a way to use it to justify your self-image?

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8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

The Clinton jet holds how many?

living or double tap suicided?

[row_33]

20 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

Or they're seeking asylum from political persecution, because Trump's going after his enemies and using the DoJ as his own Gestapo.

 

 

 

quite the Gestapo allowing 99.9% of the news media to make up any lie they want to and broadcast it every 5 minutes in all media outlets.

 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

quite the Gestapo allowing 99.9% of the news media to make up any lie they want to and broadcast it every 5 minutes in all media outlets.

 

 

That wasn't the Gestapo, that was the RMVP.  Goebbels, not Himmler.