Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Not doubting your veracity here, but IF you are correct about that; they'd better have had SIGNIFICANTLY better justification & documentation to get the warrant than the previous administration appears to have presented to get the Page FISA warrant. This stuff WILL result in a shooting war if this ends up looking like political retaliation. Those on the far left will never believe it isn't, but those towards the middle have to be able to see something like this truly is legit. (Again, if true.) Agreed. We are going to learn that there have been/are active FISA's on: Kerry Brennan Clapper Comey Strzok/the Ohrs/Baker/Carlin McCabe Yates All tied to the attempted palace coup (Kerry played a large role) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Is it the recipe for Town House crackers? Or Chips Deluxe cookies? Tell me it's the cookies... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Is it the recipe for Town House crackers? Or Chips Deluxe cookies? Tell me it's the cookies... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Taro T said: This stuff WILL result in a shooting war if this ends up looking like political retaliation. Those on the far left will never believe it isn't, but those towards the middle have to be able to see something like this truly is legit. (Again, if true.) There's no way it won't look like political retaliation to about a third of the country (all of California, for starters). It'll spark a shooting war, no way it doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Agreed. We are going to learn that there have been/are active FISA's on: Kerry Brennan Clapper Comey Strzok/the Ohrs/Baker/Carlin McCabe Yates All tied to the attempted palace coup (Kerry played a large role) Hope you're right. (Though to a large degree, on a separate level, hope you aren't.) And, sadly, why isn't seeing Kerry's name come up surprising? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Agreed. We are going to learn that there have been/are active FISA's on: Kerry Brennan Clapper Comey Strzok/the Ohrs/Baker/Carlin McCabe Yates All tied to the attempted palace coup (Kerry played a large role) I get it, but what about the FISA Judges themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cinga said: I get it, but what about the FISA Judges themselves? That's certainly something I think they're investigating (see Flynn's initial judge recusing himself, because he was also a FISA judge as an example). But it's tricky. If a FISA judge or judges are publicly revealed to have been in on it, it would essentially burn down the FISC. That might not be a bad thing, in the long term. In the short term, that would create chaos in the intelligence community and impact national security. I suspect if the FISC is found to be complicit, it'll be part of the 40% that gets kept from the public. They'll still remove the offenders, we'll just never get an official/truthful answer as to why. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Agreed. We are going to learn that there have been/are active FISA's on: Kerry Brennan Clapper Comey Strzok/the Ohrs/Baker/Carlin McCabe Yates All tied to the attempted palace coup (Kerry played a large role) If it's going to happen then time is running very short for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, GG said: If it's going to happen then time is running very short for him. The FISA declass will be the trigger. The release got delayed because of the hurricane (imo), that will be followed by Horowitz's second report (Octoberish - unless the DOJ holds for the midterms which is possible). Mueller will be forced at that point to show his hand if the FISA shows what has long been speculated in this thread. Sessions and Huber likely won't move until Mueller's probe wraps - and those will be indictments, not congressional subpoenas. If they hold until after the midterms and the House flips, none of the above is impacted as the work is already done. What changes is the ease/ability to hold open public hearings on the Hill about it all - which is important in the ongoing PR/(dis)information battle, but won't save them. It will make it messier though, unquestionably. Which is why I have been against them trying to time this for the midterms from the beginning. (again, if I'm right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Undermind? It's undermine. An undermind is what most Canadians have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Undermind? It's undermine. An undermind is what most Canadians have. Not my meme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Occum's Shaver called and said nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The FISA declass will be the trigger. The release got delayed because of the hurricane (imo), that will be followed by Horowitz's second report (Octoberish - unless the DOJ holds for the midterms which is possible). Mueller will be forced at that point to show his hand if the FISA shows what has long been speculated in this thread. Sessions and Huber likely won't move until Mueller's probe wraps - and those will be indictments, not congressional subpoenas. If they hold until after the midterms and the House flips, none of the above is impacted as the work is already done. What changes is the ease/ability to hold open public hearings on the Hill about it all - which is important in the ongoing PR/(dis)information battle, but won't save them. It will make it messier though, unquestionably. Which is why I have been against them trying to time this for the midterms from the beginning. (again, if I'm right) The longer they wait, the more opportunities for Trump to undermine the message. Who's the moron that made the hurricane an even bigger story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The FISA declass will be the trigger. The release got delayed because of the hurricane (imo), that will be followed by Horowitz's second report (Octoberish - unless the DOJ holds for the midterms which is possible). Mueller will be forced at that point to show his hand if the FISA shows what has long been speculated in this thread. Sessions and Huber likely won't move until Mueller's probe wraps - and those will be indictments, not congressional subpoenas. If they hold until after the midterms and the House flips, none of the above is impacted as the work is already done. What changes is the ease/ability to hold open public hearings on the Hill about it all - which is important in the ongoing PR/(dis)information battle, but won't save them. It will make it messier though, unquestionably. Which is why I have been against them trying to time this for the midterms from the beginning. (again, if I'm right) 11 minutes ago, GG said: The longer they wait, the more opportunities for Trump to undermine the message. Who's the moron that made the hurricane an even bigger story? There's also the issue, floated on the Sunday morning shows two weeks ago, that it runs against standing FBI/DOJ policy to publicly announce any legal proceedings involving candidates for office within two months of elections. I can't speak to the veracity of that claim, but it will absolutely be part of the narrative. Edited September 14, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There's also the issue, floated on the Sunday morning shows two weeks ago, that it runs against standing FBI/DOJ policy to publicly announce any legal proceedings involving candidates for office within two months of elections. I can't speak to the veracity of that claim, but it will absolutely be part of the narrative. Then it was irresponsible to hold off until fall. He should have declassified in mid-August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Then it was irresponsible to hold off until fall. He should have declassified in mid-August Assuming that was true, and not pre-spin, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1040713957797847040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1040713957797847040 ok, then cool... but when are we going to start throwing these POS in prison instead of playing patty cake with them? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, Cinga said: ok, then cool... but when are we going to start throwing these POS in prison instead of playing patty cake with them? When? One of Johnny Mathis biggest hits described when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: When? One of Johnny Mathis biggest hits described when. Was it the 12th of, oh never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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