Carucci: Lynn is having 2nd Thoughts about Bills' HC Job

[26CornerBlitz]

Yeah, Whaley is hanging on by a thread, and Tyrod playing for us next year isnt going to save him. I dont know which head coach can win with this current roster.

 

You mean one of the many on TSW? Nice!

Edited January 4, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[BADOLBILZ]

You have to think Whaley is a total moron if you think he doesnt see Lynn as a viable, legitimate, obvious and good choice as next head coach of the Bills. For all of the reasons you have stated here and before, which I agree with most of your stances. Both the good and the bad. It's very possible he has other people he also thinks may be good choices. He also knows this isn't a great year for hires. He also knows any coordinator is a hit or miss chance. He also knows he has very little time to produce. All of that is obvious. Lynn is a top candidate.

 

But I say it's OBVIOUS. And not Marrone-obvious. Like, for-real obvious.

 

And I don't think Lynn is any better on the surface than ANY of those other candidates.......he's likely JAG and it will be at least a mild surprise if he turns into anything more than a one and done HC, IMO..............but he AT LEAST has a fighting chance most would not because he understands this roster/organization.

 

When they likely re-start in a year or two the roster will be younger by default......the slate will be able to be wiped clean......including those undermining secretaries......and the job will be far more attractive.

 

Maybe even Sean McVay or the next Yung Shanny-type attractive.

[Doc]

maybe Lynn likes to sit in traffic.

 

Why would anyone with options take the Rams job? This is an owner who refuses to talk to his own players. No 1st round pick. Depressing QB they are stuck with trying to prove was worth 72 picks. No OL.

 

No idea. And Kroenke is an asshat. He married into Walmart money and is from MO, but still moved the team to LA.

 

If he does he basically gets a 2-3 year chance at least.

 

In Buffalo, he gets 1 year.

 

I haven't heard even one apologist try to step up and deny that so my sources........circumstance+common sense......seem legit.

 

LOL! What HC of the Bills ever got 1 year?

 

Now he not interested because he knows the Bills are not interested, both Pegulas gave a lukewram endorsement . Trust me this guy will not be a HC for the Bills or any other team in the league.

 

Sunday he says he wants the job, Tuesday he hears both Terry and Kim say in separate interviews the job is not his and Wed he is no longer interested. HMM go figure...

 

Yup.

[Kelly the Dog]

But I say it's OBVIOUS. And not Marrone-obvious. Like, for-real obvious.

 

And I don't think Lynn is any better on the surface than ANY of those other candidates.......he's likely JAG and it will be at least a mild surprise if he turns into anything more than a one and done HC, IMO..............but he AT LEAST has a fighting chance most would not because he understands this roster/organization.

 

When they likely re-start in a year or two the roster will be younger by default......the slate will be able to be wiped clean......including those undermining secretaries......and the job will be far more attractive.

 

Maybe even Sean McVay or the next Yung Shanny-type attractive.

He's not necessarily better than any of those guys. The point is, almost anyone in Whaley's position, including Whaley, knows that any of these ex-coordinators are hit or miss, and that if everyone is a toss up, go with the evil you know. That's why I think Lynn will be the next coach. Not a stone lock, just a likelihood, regardless of the clatter.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

 

LOL! What HC of the Bills ever got 1 year?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you saying you are certain Whaley gets 2 more years or just laughing at the coach that will have to take the fall with him if they don't win this year?

Edited January 4, 2017 by #BADOL

[Steve Billieve]

I am convinced that whoever we hire as head coach, will be getting fired along with Whaley in 2-3 years.

Easy prediction to make given our history . . .

[Big Blitz]

Who knows if this is true but it seems like Lynn is in Taylor's corner and it appears Taylor is getting the feeling someone is not in his corner who you think would have to be Whaley. I am really thinking Whaley is the problem here...not all these coaches are perfect but hasn't Whaley had a poor relationship with about four of them now?

 

 

 

The incident began with Marrone, who sources said has had a strained relationship with director of player personnel Jim Monos from their time together in New Orleans, getting into a loud exchange with Monos in which the men were cursing at each other to the point where others noticed ("they were more or less MFing each other," is how one source put it). General manager Doug Whaley then intervened. The expletives continued and finally team president and acting owner Russ Brandon tried to defuse the situation by getting involved in an attempt to get all parties to "shut up," as one source put it. But that too escalated into more yelling and hollering, with Brandon and Marrone ultimately separated by their peers and Marrone, in earshot of players, making remarks along the lines of "go ahead and fire me," before order was restored and the team took the field for practice.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24695455/buffalo-tension-boils-over-in-shouting-match-for-marrone-bills-officials

 

 

Marrone quit.

 

Rex was....whatever.

 

And Lynn is reconsidering the job.

 

 

 

Whaley Brandon Monos are still here.

 

All is well.

 

Edited January 4, 2017 by Big Blitz

[Manther]

 

Sadly, I think you are correct about the Pats guys. I also think that they realize they do not have a chance with KS so probably are not asking.

 

Doug may want to block caller ID when he makes these calls.

I don't think Buddy taught him caller ID or to block it.

[TheFunPolice]

If you're Lynn and this is your big shot and you have more than 1 offer, let's say Denver and Buffalo....

 

Why would you pick the Bills?

 

If things go for you like they went for the last two coaches your HC career will be over in 2 years or less

[PromoTheRobot]

If Lynn pulls himself out of the HC that would only add more fuel to the fire of the dysfunction at One Bills Drive.

He better be sure he gets a job someplace first.

[timtebow15]

Unsure if everyone is assuming a candidate whose GM just accused him of lying would make him leery of taking a head coaching job or if Lynn is really upset with the press conference. Putting myself in Lynn's position I would be pissed. I had that happen before where a supervisor made it appear I was in on a decision I had no input on. It makes you ask yourself f they are willing to lie about that than what else are they willing to lie about. I'm guessing Lynn would rather find a better option but many of the other teams looking for coaches are dysfunctional as well.

 

I think some of these coaches are getting smarter and realizing they only get a couple of chances at the highest level jobs and have to be successful. They are less likely to take an offer just because there are only so many jobs. Coaches are fired so quickly now you have to be much more careful plus many of these candidates are younger and have more time. I wouldn't take a job with a GM or head coach (as a coordinator) I suspected is in over his head, is not trustworthy and may be let go soon because if you look bad in the process your record is tarnished too. Whaley is building a reputation of not getting along with coaches and doing/saying whatever is necessary to save his own skin - I wouldn't want to take a head coaching job with the Bills right now if I thought I'd eventually get a better chance for success.

[Kelly the Dog]

He better be sure he gets a job someplace first.

This is a really good point. I bet a bunch of coaches make the wrong choice taking the first offer because it's such a tough job to get hired for and the top of your profession and you really don't know if you are going to get another job or another chance. Good point, Promo.

[TheFunPolice]

You want the big break but if you pick the wrong place it can detail your career and set you back years, assuming you even get another shot.

[YoloinOhio]

Unsure if everyone is assuming a candidate whose GM just accused him of lying would make him leery of taking a head coaching job or if Lynn is really upset with the press conference. Putting myself in Lynn's position I would be pissed. I had that happen before where a supervisor made it appear I was in on a decision I had no input on. It makes you ask yourself f they are willing to lie about that than what else are they willing to lie about. I'm guessing Lynn would rather find a better option but many of the other teams looking for coaches are dysfunctional as well.

 

I think some of these coaches are getting smarter and realizing they only get a couple of chances at the highest level jobs and have to be successful. They are less likely to take an offer just because there are only so many jobs. Coaches are fired so quickly now you have to be much more careful plus many of these candidates are younger and have more time. I wouldn't take a job with a GM or head coach (as a coordinator) I suspected is in over his head, is not trustworthy and may be let go soon because if you look bad in the process your record is tarnished too. Whaley is building a reputation of not getting along with coaches and doing/saying whatever is necessary to save his own skin - I wouldn't want to take a head coaching job with the Bills right now if I thought I'd eventually get a better chance for success.

where did Whaley accuse Lynn of lying?

[SectionC3]

You are correct, the media in Buffalo is exactly the problem...has been for years.

Completely agree. If it wasn't for the media we wouldn't have punted in overtime against the the dolphins. I'd also like to note jerry Sullivan's tackling against the dolphins and the steelers was atrocious. Also, if Bucky Gleason hadn't put duke williams against mike Wallace on week 1 the season would have been totally different. Don't even remind me of Jeremy white's defensive game plan against the jets in week two. And the raiders game - if only Howard Simon hadn't taken over playcalling after gillislee's touchdown in the second half we wouldn't have gone three and out three times in a row.

[timtebow15]

where did Whaley accuse Lynn of lying?

Lynn said he wasn't in on the decision to bench Taylor the last game, essentially he was told it was happening. Whaley said he was involved in the discussion. The way it was presented both versions couldn't be correct. Perhaps explained better it wouldn't have been so bad but it sure sounded like Whaley contradicted Lynn's version.

[YoloinOhio]

Lynn said he wasn't in on the decision to bench Taylor the last game, essentially he was told it was happening. Whaley said he was involved in the discussion. The way it was presented both versions couldn't be correct. Perhaps explained better it wouldn't have been so bad but it sure sounded like Whaley contradicted Lynn's version.

not exactly. Lynn actually said it was "our decision" to sit Taylor. Later he was asked if the decision was made because of the injury clause and gtd money. He said he "didn't know" because he wasn't in the room when that decision was made.

 

Whaley was asked if Lynn was involved in the decision and he said he wasn't involved in every conversation but he was consulted about the decision. It was pretty clear that he was involved in the ultimate decision but was not in on every conversation about it (re: contract implications).

Edited January 4, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Augie]

not exactly. Lynn actually said it was "our decision" to sit Taylor. Later he was asked if the decision was made because of the injury clause and gtd money. He said he "didn't know" because he wasn't in the room when that decision was made.

Whaley was asked if Lynn was involved in the decision and he said he wasn't involved in every conversation but he was consulted about the decision. It was pretty clear that he was involved in the ultimate decision but was not in on every conversation about it (re: contract implications).

That's the way I see it. Whaley has no obligation to tell all, or even the truth. There are 32 teams that lie every draft. The Patriots have a HC/GM who never tells the truth, and he's on the express train to the HOF. We just need to be BETTER at lying (and indifferent to the reaction) to smooth things over.

[timtebow15]

not exactly. Lynn actually said it was "our decision" to sit Taylor. Later he was asked if the decision was made because of the injury clause and gtd money. He said he "didn't know" because he wasn't in the room when that decision was made.

 

Whaley was asked if Lynn was involved in the decision and he said he wasn't involved in every conversation but he was consulted about the decision. It was pretty clear that he was involved in the ultimate decision but was not in on every conversation about it (re: contract implications).

Everything sounds fishy...for example, if it was "our decision" how could he not know why they decision was made? That makes no sense. It was "our decision" but he wasn't in the room when the decision was made? That was Lynn trying to be a team player. Then Whaley contradicted his version by saying he was consulted. Doesn't make Lynn look good.

That's the way I see it. Whaley has no obligation to tell all, or even the truth. There are 32 teams that lie every draft. The Patriots have a HC/GM who never tells the truth, and he's on the express train to the HOF. We just need to be BETTER at lying (and indifferent to the reaction) to smooth things over.

Avoiding the question is not the same as contradicting someone else. Yes, whatever it is we are much worse at it and perhaps it doesn't matter if you make the playoffs every year! Edited January 4, 2017 by timtebow15

[Kelly the Dog]

Everything sounds fishy...for example, if it was "our decision" how could he not know why they decision was made? That makes no sense. It was "our decision" but he wasn't in the room when the decision was made? That was Lynn trying to be a team player. Then Whaley contradicted his version by saying he was consulted. Doesn't make Lynn look good.

This kind of conversation kills me. Of course the answer is because of the injury clause of the contract. That's really the only major reason. And there is also no chance any owner or GM or President or coach is going to say it's because of the injury clause of the contract. That is blatantly clear.