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He is any GM. That what they all are right up until they find a franchise QB

 

And Doug is a .500 gm that has yet to pick his coach

And it's been repeated ad nauseam, his track record of finding that qb is lacking.

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And it's been repeated ad nauseam, his track record of finding that qb is lacking.

Tyrod Taylor.

 

Mamy orher GMs have taking years to find one MANY years.

 

One of the best GMs in the league took over 5 years calling the shot to find one.

 

The great BB swings and misses at the position OFTEN

 

So again he is like EVERY GM in the league

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Tyrod Taylor.

 

Mamy orher GMs have taking years to find one MANY years.

 

One of the best GMs in the league took over 5 years calling the shot to find one.

 

The great BB swings and misses at the position OFTEN

 

So again he is like EVERY GM in the league

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Hoyer

Manziel

McCown

RG III

Whitehurst

Kessler

Hogan

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NFL Football... "It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play."[/size]

 

2013, Colin Brown was an Andy Levitre replacement that lasted around 4 games before being benched and released because he was so bad. Sam Young was another wasted roster spot as he came in the game for Brown on a couple of series and allowed a sack and hits so he also was benched and released after 4 games. [/size]

 

That year Whaley signed Doug Legursky to be the backup center and because all the other OG backup players were so bad... Legursky became the starting LG for most of the season and needless to say this guy was the worst graded player on the Bills line and didn't return for another year. The Bills were exceedingly lucky that Legursky lasted an entire season because the rest of the backups that year were right off the street. [/size]

 

2014, Signing OG [/size]Chris Williams for 5 [/size]mill guaranteed to see him play only three games before being released by the team because of a back injury! [/size]

Kraig Urbik moved to LG and Erik Pears played RG in 2014. Glenn, Urbik, Wood, Pears, Henderson was ranked as the very worst offensive line in the NFL for most of that season! This with basically three rookie QB's on the roster! [/size]

 

2015, Rex Ryan vouches for OG Richie Incognito and the Bills sign him to see a talent that elevates the play of the two players on either side of him. So, after two years the Bills finally replace Levitre with a quality player at LG. It was also Rex Ryan that wanted Tyrod Taylor in Buffalo.[/size]

 

The bottom line was that Whaley allowed the team to go into the 2013 season with EJ, Lewis and Tuel and no veteran QB on the roster and no QB coach on the team. The only person these young QB's had to learn the NFL ropes from was Nathaniel Hackett who was an NFL rookie OC himself. [/size]

 

After drafting Sammy Watkins, Whaley decides to trade for WR Mike Williams ( for a 6th)and trade away WR Stevie Johnson (for a 4th) because while Johnson didn't always run precise routes he was usually always open. Kyle Orton could have really used a WR that was always open. Sammy in his first season battling injuries all year long was used a lot as a decoy. [/size]

 

WR Mike Williams contribution to the team, 8 rec for 142 yards, 1 TD.[/size]

 

In 2014 the Bills traded for RB Bryce Brown for a 4th round pick. Browns contribution to the team 2 game starts 36 rushes for 126 yards, 16 receptions for 116 yards. [/size]

 

The trade for Jerry Hughes was initiated by the Colts GM who wanted the last first round pick of Bill Polian off the team and Whaley was just incredibly lucky that the Colts called him.

 

Wanna talk incredibly lucky? How about that Whaley offered CJ Spiller a decent offer to stay in Buffalo and like the fool that he is Spiller instead went to New Orleans... thank the good lord!

 

Wanna talk more good luck? Eagles HC Chip Kelly offering to trade LeSean McCoy to Buffalo in the first place. This worked out great because the team has such difficulty in finding star RB talent in the draft.

 

Skipping a lot of other things. [/size]

 

 

The Watkins trade in dealing away three draft picks, two number ones for a WR when the team still didn't have it's franchise QB! [/size]

 

If Whaley or his scouts actually knew what they were looking at in regards to college talent the Bills could have stayed at the #9 pick in 2014 and drafted all-pro LBer Anthony Barr, all-pro OT Taylor Lewan, all-pro WR Odel Beckham Jr, all-pro DT Aaron Donald, all-pro OG Zack Martin, all-pro LBer CJ Mosley, all-pro S Haha Clinton-Dix, all-pro CB Jason Verrett and then traded up in the second round for all-pro QB Derek Carr.[/size]

 

After the last four seasons of such ineptitude, I have no idea how or why the guy still has a job as an NFL GM. [/size]

 

Although, EJ certainly has been happy that Doug Whaley has kept his job all this time. [/size]

Hey man, this was a great post and sadly, every word is true.

 

The premise of Whaley being anything less than awful is weak indeed. It's a shame what little we Bills Fans have to cling to.

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I understand your point, but wanted to chime in for those that don't: while Whaley did not draft any of the players that you listed, Kelsay, Schoebel and Whitner were all very good, not great players. I never understood why Chris Kelsay and Aaron Schoebel took so much heat from fans. The thing that made people unfairly hate on Whitner was that they passed on Haloti Ngata to take Whitner - dumb move, but not Whitner's fault.

That was the problem you actually thought they were good thus giving buddy nix . john butler marv levy a pass.... Whaley taking unnecessary heat for nothing as far as I'm concern

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Tyrod Taylor.

 

Mamy orher GMs have taking years to find one MANY years.

 

One of the best GMs in the league took over 5 years calling the shot to find one.

 

The great BB swings and misses at the position OFTEN

 

So again he is like EVERY GM in the league

Haven't you spent 17 weeks arguing TT sucks?

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Hey man, this was a great post and sadly, every word is true.

 

The premise of Whaley being anything less than awful is weak indeed. It's a shame what little we Bills Fans have to cling to.

Diminishing his good moves to supprt narrative is weak

Haven't you spent 17 weeks arguing TT sucks?

Actually not good enough but different than sucks.

 

And yet the same COT members will kill whaley

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just look at his draft picks since he officially became GM. how many are still on the roster?

the Bills are WORST IN THE LEAGUE at having their draft picks on the roster - 22%. Playoff level teams have ~ 60% of their draft picks on the active roster. He is not a very capable GM.

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just look at his draft picks since he officially became GM. how many are still on the roster?

the Bills are WORST IN THE LEAGUE at having their draft picks on the roster - 22%. Playoff level teams have ~ 60% of their draft picks on the active roster. He is not a very capable GM.

Ahhhh a BN statement. Try it again and run your numbers again.

 

Wait i get it putting bad past GMs on whaley

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Diminishing his good moves to supprt narrative is weak

 

Actually not good enough but different than sucks.

 

And yet the same COT members will kill whaley

So TT is not good enough but praise him for TT? Huh?

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So TT is not good enough but praise him for TT? Huh?

In my mind he is not good enough for what i want as a QB.

 

Again the same people that love TT bash Whaley for QB. Hmmmm cant have it both ways

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Tyrod Taylor.

 

Mamy orher GMs have taking years to find one MANY years.

 

One of the best GMs in the league took over 5 years calling the shot to find one.

 

The great BB swings and misses at the position OFTEN

 

So again he is like EVERY GM in the league

Again, would Bills sign Taylor ahead of Denver if not for Rex?

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just look at his draft picks since he officially became GM. how many are still on the roster?

the Bills are WORST IN THE LEAGUE at having their draft picks on the roster - 22%. Playoff level teams have ~ 60% of their draft picks on the active roster. He is not a very capable GM.

I posted this elsewhere...Here's a list of our draft picks since Whaley was named GM in May of 2013. In bold are guys on the current 53 man roster, Italics are guys still part of team whether it be on IR or PS etc.

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams

Kolby Listenbee

Kevon Seymour

Ronald Darby

John Miller

Karlos Williams

Tony Steward

Nick O'Leary

Dezmin Lewis

Sammy Watkins

Cyrus Kouandjio

Preston Brown

Ross Cockrell

Cyril Richardson

Randell Johnson

Seantrel Henderson

 

15/20 = 75%

 

Let's compare that to another GM who earned his position in 2013, Steve Keim of the Arizona Cardinals. Of note he was named GM 5 months before Whaley and named Executive of the Year in 2013 but again only going to compare draft classes since 2014 and who remains on their roster for this comparison.

Robert Nkemdiche

Brandon Williams

Evan Boehm

Marqui Christian

Cole Toner

Harlan Miller

D.J. Humphries

Markus Golden

David Johnson

Rodney Gunter

Shaquille Riddick

J.J. Nelson

Gerald Christian

Deone Bucannon

Troy Niklas

Kareem Martin

John Brown

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

 

15/20 = 75%

 

and what about the Green Bay Packers who are well known as a team that builds within?

Kenny Clark

Jason Spriggs

Kyler Fackrell

Blake Martinez

Deon Lowry

Trevor Davis

Kyle Murphy

Damarious Randall

Quinten Rollins

Ty Montgomery

Jake Ryan

Brett Hundley

Aaron Ripkowski

Christian Ringo

Kennard Backman

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Davante Adams

Khyri Thornton

Richard Rodgers

Carl Bradford

Corey Linsley

Jared Abbrederis

Demetri Goodson

Jeff Janis

 

18/24= 75%

 

how about another middling team like the Philly Eagles then?

Carson Wentz

Isaac Seumalo

Wendell Smallwood

Halapoulivaati Vaitai

Blake Countess

Jalen Mills

Alex McCalister

Joe Walker

Nelson Agholor

Eric Rowe

Jordan Hicks

JaCorey Shepherd

Randall Evans

Marcus Smith

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Jaylen Watkins

Taylor Hart

Ed Reynolds

Beau Allen

 

13/20 = 65%

 

and lastly one of the top 3 GMs in recent memory; John Schneider and the Seattle Seahawks

Germain Ifedi

Jarran Reed

C.J. Prosise

Nick Vannett

Rees Odhiambo

Quinton Jefferson

Alex Collins

Joey Hunt

Zac Brooks

Frank Clark

Tyler Lockett

Terry Poole

Mark Glowinski

Tye Smith

Obum Gwachum

Kristjan Sokoli

Ryan Murphy

Paul Richardson

Justin Britt

Cassius Marsh

Kevin Norwood

Kevin Pierre-Louis

Garrett Scott

Eric Pinkins

Kiero Small

 

14/25= 56%

 

Is Whaley really doing that bad at drafting when compare him to his counterparts?

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In my mind he is not good enough for what i want as a QB.

 

Again the same people that love TT bash Whaley for QB. Hmmmm cant have it both ways

Let's see the proof. Show me which posters bash Whaley for not finding a QB and praise TT endlessly.

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Again, would Bills sign Taylor ahead of Denver if not for Rex?

Who signed him. Jesus people

 

Want to pin EJ on him, but wont give credit for Hughes

Want to scream Byrce Brown for a 4th, wont give him credit for Shady (also essentially part of EJ)

Want to put Shaq on him, no credit for the good moves that was Rex

 

Now tell me again there isnt a narrative being pushed

I posted this elsewhere...Here's a list of our draft picks since Whaley was named GM in May of 2013. In bold are guys on the current 53 man roster, Italics are guys still part of team whether it be on IR or PS etc.

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams

Kolby Listenbee

Kevon Seymour

Ronald Darby

John Miller

Karlos Williams

Tony Steward

Nick O'Leary

Dezmin Lewis

Sammy Watkins

Cyrus Kouandjio

Preston Brown

Ross Cockrell

Cyril Richardson

Randell Johnson

Seantrel Henderson

 

15/20 = 75%

 

Let's compare that to another GM who earned his position in 2013, Steve Keim of the Arizona Cardinals. Of note he was named GM in 5 months before Whaley and named Executive of the Year in 2013 but again only going to compare draft classes since 2014 and who remains on their roster for this comparison.

Robert Nkemdiche

Brandon Williams

Evan Boehm

Marqui Christian

Cole Toner

Harlan Miller

D.J. Humphries

Markus Golden

David Johnson

Rodney Gunter

Shaquille Riddick

J.J. Nelson

Gerald Christian

Deone Bucannon

Troy Niklas

Kareem Martin

John Brown

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

 

15/20 = 75%

 

and what about the Green Bay Packers who are well known as a team that builds within?

Kenny Clark

Jason Spriggs

Kyler Fackrell

Blake Martinez

Deon Lowry

Trevor Davis

Kyle Murphy

Damarious Randall

Quinten Rollins

Ty Montgomery

Jake Ryan

Brett Hundley

Aaron Ripkowski

Christian Ringo

Kennard Backman

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Davante Adams

Khyri Thornton

Richard Rodgers

Carl Bradford

Corey Linsley

Jared Abbrederis

Demetri Goodson

Jeff Janis

 

18/24= 75%

 

how about another middling team like the Philly Eagles then?

Carson Wentz

Isaac Seumalo

Wendell Smallwood

Halapoulivaati Vaitai

Blake Countess

Jalen Mills

Alex McCalister

Joe Walker

Nelson Agholor

Eric Rowe

Jordan Hicks

JaCorey Shepherd

Randall Evans

Marcus Smith

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Jaylen Watkins

Taylor Hart

Ed Reynolds

Beau Allen

13/20 = 65%

 

and lastly one of the top 3 GMs in recent memory; John Schneider and the Seattle Seahawks

Germain Ifedi

Jarran Reed

C.J. Prosise

Nick Vannett

Rees Odhiambo

Quinton Jefferson

Alex Collins

Joey Hunt

Zac Brooks

Frank Clark

Tyler Lockett

Terry Poole

Mark Glowinski

Tye Smith

Obum Gwachum

Kristjan Sokoli

Ryan Murphy

Paul Richardson

Justin Britt

Cassius Marsh

Kevin Norwood

Kevin Pierre-Louis

Garrett Scott

Eric Pinkins

Kiero Small

14/25= 56%

 

Is Whaley really doing that bad at drafting when compare him to his counterparts?

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NFL Football... "It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play."

 

2013, Colin Brown was an Andy Levitre replacement that lasted around 4 games before being benched and released because he was so bad. Sam Young was another wasted roster spot as he came in the game for Brown on a couple of series and allowed a sack and hits so he also was benched and released after 4 games.

 

That year Whaley signed Doug Legursky to be the backup center and because all the other OG backup players were so bad... Legursky became the starting LG for most of the season and needless to say this guy was the worst graded player on the Bills line and didn't return for another year. The Bills were exceedingly lucky that Legursky lasted an entire season because the rest of the backups that year were right off the street.

 

2014, Signing OG Chris Williams for 5 mill guaranteed to see him play only three games before being released by the team because of a back injury!

Kraig Urbik moved to LG and Erik Pears played RG in 2014. Glenn, Urbik, Wood, Pears, Henderson was ranked as the very worst offensive line in the NFL for most of that season! This with basically three rookie QB's on the roster!

 

2015, Rex Ryan vouches for OG Richie Incognito and the Bills sign him to see a talent that elevates the play of the two players on either side of him. So, after two years the Bills finally replace Levitre with a quality player at LG. It was also Rex Ryan that wanted Tyrod Taylor in Buffalo.

 

The bottom line was that Whaley allowed the team to go into the 2013 season with EJ, Lewis and Tuel and no veteran QB on the roster and no QB coach on the team. The only person these young QB's had to learn the NFL ropes from was Nathaniel Hackett who was an NFL rookie OC himself.

 

After drafting Sammy Watkins, Whaley decides to trade for WR Mike Williams ( for a 6th)and trade away WR Stevie Johnson (for a 4th) because while Johnson didn't always run precise routes he was usually always open. Kyle Orton could have really used a WR that was always open. Sammy in his first season battling injuries all year long was used a lot as a decoy.

 

WR Mike Williams contribution to the team, 8 rec for 142 yards, 1 TD.

 

In 2014 the Bills traded for RB Bryce Brown for a 4th round pick. Browns contribution to the team 2 game starts 36 rushes for 126 yards, 16 receptions for 116 yards.

 

The trade for Jerry Hughes was initiated by the Colts GM who wanted the last first round pick of Bill Polian off the team and Whaley was just incredibly lucky that the Colts called him.

 

Wanna talk incredibly lucky? How about that Whaley offered CJ Spiller a decent offer to stay in Buffalo and like the fool that he is Spiller instead went to New Orleans... thank the good lord!

 

Wanna talk more good luck? Eagles HC Chip Kelly offering to trade LeSean McCoy to Buffalo in the first place. This worked out great because the team has such difficulty in finding star RB talent in the draft.

 

Skipping a lot of other things.

 

 

The Watkins trade in dealing away three draft picks, two number ones for a WR when the team still didn't have it's franchise QB!

 

If Whaley or his scouts actually knew what they were looking at in regards to college talent the Bills could have stayed at the #9 pick in 2014 and drafted all-pro LBer Anthony Barr, all-pro OT Taylor Lewan, all-pro WR Odel Beckham Jr, all-pro DT Aaron Donald, all-pro OG Zack Martin, all-pro LBer CJ Mosley, all-pro S Haha Clinton-Dix, all-pro CB Jason Verrett and then traded up in the second round for all-pro QB Derek Carr.

 

After the last four seasons of such ineptitude, I have no idea how or why the guy still has a job as an NFL GM.

 

Although, EJ certainly has been happy that Doug Whaley has kept his job all this time.

There really isn't much left to say after this...

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Let's see the proof. Show me which posters bash Whaley for not finding a QB and praise TT endlessly.

Sure look no further than The first page of this thread. And look up some of the the people flaming whaley on their defense of TT

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I posted this elsewhere...

 

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams

Kolby Listenbee

Kevon Seymour

Ronald Darby

John Miller

Karlos Williams

Tony Steward

Nick O'Leary

Dezmin Lewis

Sammy Watkins

Cyrus Kouandjio

Preston Brown

Ross Cockrell

Cyril Richardson

Randell Johnson

Seantrel Henderson

 

15/20 = 75%

 

Let's compare that to another GM who earned his position in 2013, Steve Keim of the Arizona Cardinals. Of note he was named GM in 5 months before Whaley and named Executive of the Year in 2013 but again only going to compare draft classes since 2014 and who remains on their roster for this comparison.

Robert Nkemdiche

Brandon Williams

Evan Boehm

Marqui Christian

Cole Toner

Harlan Miller

D.J. Humphries

Markus Golden

David Johnson

Rodney Gunter

Shaquille Riddick

J.J. Nelson

Gerald Christian

Deone Bucannon

Troy Niklas

Kareem Martin

John Brown

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

 

15/20 = 75%

 

and what about the Green Bay Packers who are well known as a team that builds within?

Kenny Clark

Jason Spriggs

Kyler Fackrell

Blake Martinez

Deon Lowry

Trevor Davis

Kyle Murphy

Damarious Randall

Quinten Rollins

Ty Montgomery

Jake Ryan

Brett Hundley

Aaron Ripkowski

Christian Ringo

Kennard Backman

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Davante Adams

Khyri Thornton

Richard Rodgers

Carl Bradford

Corey Linsley

Jared Abbrederis

Demetri Goodson

Jeff Janis

 

18/24= 75%

 

how about another middling team like the Philly Eagles then?

Carson Wentz

Isaac Seumalo

Wendell Smallwood

Halapoulivaati Vaitai

Blake Countess

Jalen Mills

Alex McCalister

Joe Walker

Nelson Agholor

Eric Rowe

Jordan Hicks

JaCorey Shepherd

Randall Evans

Marcus Smith

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Jaylen Watkins

Taylor Hart

Ed Reynolds

Beau Allen

13/20 = 65%

 

and lastly one of the top 3 GMs in recent memory; John Schneider and the Seattle Seahawks

Germain Ifedi

Jarran Reed

C.J. Prosise

Nick Vannett

Rees Odhiambo

Quinton Jefferson

Alex Collins

Joey Hunt

Zac Brooks

Frank Clark

Tyler Lockett

Terry Poole

Mark Glowinski

Tye Smith

Obum Gwachum

Kristjan Sokoli

Ryan Murphy

Paul Richardson

Justin Britt

Cassius Marsh

Kevin Norwood

Kevin Pierre-Louis

Garrett Scott

Eric Pinkins

Kiero Small

14/25= 56%

 

Is Whaley really doing that bad at drafting when compare him to his counterparts?

not bad but my premise is that Rex drove last year's draft. I don't have a way to prove it but he is a very will full hands on roster coach and i love that draft.

miller might develop, darby is a horrible first pick, o'leary is ST / third string player and the jury is out on cardale.

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On paper, I like Whaley's picks and FA pickups more often than not.

 

But at some point, they need to produce results on the field.

 

He gets one more year, before I start bitching about a replacement. Playoffs or bust next year.

 

And yes, that means our next HC needs to make the playoffs next year as well. There's no excuse, we have a good offense, all we need is a slightly better defense. No playoffs next year means blow it all up.

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