Fadingpain Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 This is Sully's favorite time of year; where he is vindicated for all he has written for 4 months... wallow in it Sully So according to you, the message of the train wreck is in fact accurate, but rather than attack the organization that causes the train wreck, you prefer to attack the messenger who tells you about it. Only in Buffalo.
jms62 Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 So according to you, the message of the train wreck is in fact accurate, but rather than attack the organization that causes the train wreck, you prefer to attack the messenger who tells you about it. Only in Buffalo. It is a reflex and there is no control.
FireChan Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The accusation was Whaley did nothing to help Rex find talent. Whaley devoted the first three picks to defense and found two depth players that become solid starters in Zach Brown and Lorenzo Alexander. I'll grant you Lawson was a gamble but Ragland was supposed to be a stud and Washington did well filling in for a suspended Dareus. What else did Whaley need to do for Rex? Buy him a Football Defense For Dummies book? That has nothing to do with Sully saying Whaley should've known Ragland would tear his ACL.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The accusation was Whaley did nothing to help Rex find talent. What accusation? Do you mean from the linked article? Where does it say that "Whaley did nothing" precisely? Not that it will matter, but I think the article is clearly written from a retrospective viewpoint, which makes sense since it was written after the last game of the season. That is, it's Sullivan's take on what actually transpired in 2016, rather than a regurgitation of what the outlook for the season was back in July. Unfortunately, that last game looked and smelled exactly like a giant turd.
JohnC Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 No one else would make a big deal about a WGAS game under an interim coach except that clown. The Giants played the Redskins yesterday. The Giants had nothing to gain because their playoff position was locked in. The Redskins had everything to gain because this game meant getting into the playoffs. The Giants played all their players except for their volatile receiver and they played the whole game with intensity leading to a win. New England played Miami yesterday in Miami. This was a meaningless game for the Pats because their playoff position was locked in. New England played their starters most of the game and they played hard all game. They won by an overwhelming margin. Compare the two above examples to the embarrassing Bills who had a coach who was vying for the open HCing position. The Bills played with no heart. They also throughout the game played with little intelligence. When Sully criticizes this historically lame organization for instilling a lack of accountability and maturity he is stating the obvious. This wretched organization reeks within its own culture of failure. Something is grotesquely amiss here. Pointing it out shouldn't be an issue. Tolerating it with resignation and never ending excuses is more of an issue .
bananathumb Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 Where did we get a bum like Whaley? Oh I know, Russ Brandon. Who is still here, these two clowns. How has the team performed since forever? Well, you get the message. Same old Bills forever. Patches holes and sell tickets. The reporters whom everyone slags can see the big picture, but owners can't. And so it goes.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) The Giants played the Redskins yesterday. The Giants had nothing to gain because their playoff position was locked in. The Redskins had everything to gain because this game meant getting into the playoffs. The Giants played all their players except for their volatile receiver and they played the whole game with intensity leading to a win. New England played Miami yesterday in Miami. This was a meaningless game for the Pats because their playoff position was locked in. New England played their starters most of the game and they played hard all game. They won by an overwhelming margin. Compare the two above examples to the embarrassing Bills who had a coach who was vying for the open HCing position. The Bills played with no heart. They also throughout the game played with little intelligence. When Sully criticizes this historically lame organization for instilling a lack of accountability and maturity he is stating the obvious. This wretched organization reeks within its own culture of failure. Something is grotesquely amiss here. Pointing it out shouldn't be an issue. Tolerating it with resignation and never ending excuses is more of an issue . The Giants and Patriots are headed to the playoffs after a successful season with their respective coaching staffs intact. Trying to compare those scenarios to the Bills' game yesterday is frankly ridiculous. BTW, the Patriots were playing to lock up home field advantage, so they did have something to play for. Edited January 2, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The Giants and Patriots are headed to the playoffs after a successful season with their respective coaching staffs intact. Trying to compare those scenarios to the Bills' game yesterday is frankly ridiculous. BTW, the Patriots were playing to lock up home field advantage, so they did have something to play for. The players on the Bills, at least in most organizations, had something to play for too. In a word: jobs. As an NFL player it is never a good idea to leave your skidmarks all over the game film. Scouts actually look at all of it.
JohnC Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The Giants and Patriots are headed to the playoffs after a successful season with their respective coaching staffs intact. Trying to compare those scenarios to the Bills' game yesterday is frankly ridiculous. There were three teams that had nothing to play for in the last game of the season. Two of them played with heart and one team didn't. If that isn't an indication of the character of the disinterested team that lost in a boring game then you are oblivious to what is obious. How these teams played in each of their respective "meaningless" game says a lot about them. If that isn't a testament to the teams and their organizations then you are blind to what happened and what has happened over the past generation.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The players on the Bills, at least in most organizations, had something to play for too. In a word: jobs. As an NFL player it is never a good idea to leave your skidmarks all over the game film. Scouts actually look at all of it. With EJ starting instead of Tyrod they weren't even trying their best to win the game. Making value judgments based on anything that transpired yesterday is
FireChan Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) With EJ starting instead of Tyrod they weren't even trying their best to win the game. Making value judgments based on anything that transpired yesterday is EJ instead of Tyrod really affects how well the defense plays every down, huh? How quick were you to chastise Mario last year for not trying when we were 6-8? Look at the tape in those meaningless games! Edited January 2, 2017 by FireChan
JohnC Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 With EJ starting instead of Tyrod they weren't even trying their best to win the game. Making value judgments based on anything that transpired yesterday is How about making a value judgment about this season and past generation? Just because EJ was starting that doesn't mean the rest of the lineup should play like it doesn't care. Laugh it off if you want but this franchise is in turmoil because too many players on the roster simply don't care enough. It reflects in their performances and record.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 There were three teams that had nothing to play for in the last game of the season. Two of them played with heart and one team didn't. If that isn't an indication of the character of the disinterested team that lost in a boring game then you are oblivious to what is obious. How these teams played in each of their respective "meaningless" game says a lot about them. If that isn't a testament to the teams and their organizations then you are blind to what happened and what has happened over the past generation. You're not even correct about the Patriots who did have something to play for. If the Bills came out and performed well yesterday I sure as hell wouldn't take it as any sign of what's to come for the '17 season. Carry on though.
KellyToTasker Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The Giants played the Redskins yesterday. The Giants had nothing to gain because their playoff position was locked in. The Redskins had everything to gain because this game meant getting into the playoffs. The Giants played all their players except for their volatile receiver and they played the whole game with intensity leading to a win. New England played Miami yesterday in Miami. This was a meaningless game for the Pats because their playoff position was locked in. New England played their starters most of the game and they played hard all game. They won by an overwhelming margin. Compare the two above examples to the embarrassing Bills who had a coach who was vying for the open HCing position. The Bills played with no heart. They also throughout the game played with little intelligence. When Sully criticizes this historically lame organization for instilling a lack of accountability and maturity he is stating the obvious. This wretched organization reeks within its own culture of failure. Something is grotesquely amiss here. Pointing it out shouldn't be an issue. Tolerating it with resignation and never ending excuses is more of an issue . New England did not have the #1 seed locked going into the game. Winning assured home field advantage. The Bills have 24 UFAs, in the final game of a finished season self-preservation kicks in. They have all the film they need from the year. Why throw your body around and risk injury when you're trying to sign a new contract? They mentally checked out during the final week after their coach was fired.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 How about making a value judgment about this season and past generation? Just because EJ was starting that doesn't mean the rest of the lineup should play like it doesn't care. Laugh it off if you want but this franchise is in turmoil because too many players on the roster simply don't care enough. It reflects in their performances and record. They should be at the bottom of the league based on the way some of you moan and complain. Did the defense play like they didn't care when they stopped to 4th down conversions in the red zone?
JohnC Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 They should be at the bottom of the league based on the way some of you moan and complain. Did the defense play like they didn't care when they stopped to 4th down conversions in the red zone? The season is over and the record is in. If you don't want to take note of the difference in the way more successful teams play compared to the stumbling Bills that is your prerogative. The Giants had nothing to play for from a playoff position standpoint. They played hard all game. If you can't see the qualitative difference between the two successful teams I referred to compared to how the Bills played then so be it.
mannc Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 The season is over and the record is in. If you don't want to take note of the difference in the way more successful teams play compared to the stumbling Bills that is your prerogative. The Giants had nothing to play for from a playoff position standpoint. They played hard all game. If you can't see the qualitative difference between the two successful teams I referred to compared to how the Bills played then so be it. The Giants (in addition to going to the playoffs themselves) were playing a bitter rival, for whom it was a "win or go home" game. The Jets yesterday were playing for nothing, unlike last year's finale which was "win or go home" for them. If the Jets needed that game yesterday, you would have seen a completely different approach from the Billls, just like you did last year. The Bills did the right thing yesterday, and it was a top-down decision.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) The season is over and the record is in. If you don't want to take note of the difference in the way more successful teams play compared to the stumbling Bills that is your prerogative. The Giants had nothing to play for from a playoff position standpoint. They played hard all game. If you can't see the qualitative difference between the two successful teams I referred to compared to how the Bills played then so be it. The Bills played hard last season in the 2015 finale against the Jets. Did it mean anything in the overall scheme of things? Nope! Edited January 2, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
PromoTheRobot Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Compare the two above examples to the embarrassing Bills who had a coach who was vying for the open HCing position. The Bills played with no heart. They also throughout the game played with little intelligence. Yesterday's game was a deliberate attempt to improve draft position. Ironically it's something Bucky and Sully usually advocate for rather than winning meaningless games like yesterday's. Lynn took over the team Tuesday. He was not being evaluated by that game. The Bills cannot admit they tried to lose a game but all indications show that's what they did. They made no attempt to catch up when they fell behind. Edited January 2, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
jethro_tull Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 A little warm-up for tomorrow's presser: http://buffalonews.com/2017/01/01/jerry-sullivan-whaleys-team-no-show-finale/ "So when you get down to it, this has been Whaley's team, his show, for four seasons. He should be judged accordingly. If the Pegulas send him out there alone to take the bullets on Monday, maybe it's because he deserves it." he dam well deserves it. One and five in the division, the lone win to Jacoby Brisette and the patriots! swept by the dolphins and jets! he should be gone. Yesterday's game was a deliberate attempt to improve draft position. Ironically it's something Bucky and Sully advocate rather than winning meaningless games like yesterday's. bull. they sucked. A-lynn looked clueless.
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