BADOLBILZ Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Well at least there are some names. I just don't see Cutler and Foles bringing more than 26 PPG. Maybe they will but I think that Tyrod is WAY better than those guys. Romo is a total wild card. I've always been a fan. He could come in for 2 years max (if healthy) and be a good bridge. If he thinks that the Bills are his best option to win. I'm not sure he would pick them over Denver or Houston though. In terms of the draft 2018, on paper, looks like a decent QB draft. Watson is the only guy that interests me at all in 2017. The grass isn't always greener... I honestly do not think some fans understand how poor of a pass blocking OL this is. Glenn is good and Kujo might be able to bookend ok with him............ but in a league now stocked with tremendous interior DL the Bills are physically outmatched man to man inside. There is a difference between giving up 45 sacks when 10-15 of them are your QB running out of bounds 2 yards behind the LOS and giving up 45 legit, frame shaking sacks. Sans Tyrod if I am a DC I do just what Pittsburgh did.......all out upfield attack.......short circuit the running game on the way to the QB. So yeah.......if you have one of those 2.5 second release franchise-type QB's it's not a problem.........otherwise........it's a big problem.
jms62 Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I don't like Tyrod... but I'm not sure what choice we have. Unless they find a QB in the middle part of the draft like Dak Prescott that unexpectedly starts out of the middle of nowhere, they're essentially stuck with him. I don't like Cutler. Rivers and Romo will command more money than TT and I'm not really sure they are more than Bledsoe-type caretarker quarterbacks. EJ will be gone. Hard to gauge Cardale Jones in one quarter of action, but he seemed pretty raw and I wouldn't enter next season with him as the #1 quarterback. They probably pick up a quarterback in the draft, and bring in a journeyman, Kelly Holcomb-esque guy to compete with TT for the starting job. But your whole post is predicated on picking up Tyrod option
FireChan Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 That's bold, and a lot of resources but I could get behind that. I just have no idea how you have the chips t get Romo AND Watson? Well ideally we could hang onto on our 2017 first and hope Watson falls there. Then trade the farm behind that pick for Romo. Maybe like a 2018 first and a 2017 3rd or 2nd?
John from Riverside Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 That's bold, and a lot of resources but I could get behind that. I just have no idea how you have the chips to get Romo AND Watson? I am wondering how we would do both trade for romo and draft that high Does not seem possible.
87168 Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I respect your view of TT, but I don't understand it.. You keep saying he is not good enough, but he directed the 7th rated scoring offense though week 16. Isn't scoring points what it's all about?
JohnC Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I guess the point is, he IS a competent starter. He's far from perfect but you could easily do worse. There is a lot of bad QB play out there (we watched that Jets game). TT isn't great but he's an okay NFL starter. The question that Whaley has to consider is being an okay NFL starter good enough to get his team anywhere meaningful? My position is without any hesitation:"I just don't know??" Is being good enough adequate enough?
jms62 Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I am wondering how we would do both trade for romo and draft that high Does not seem possible. If Lynn goes to Denver does that move Tyrods trade value up to round 1? Just speculation
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 The question that Whaley has to consider is being an okay NFL starter good enough to get his team anywhere meaningful? My position is without any hesitation:"I just don't know??" Is being good enough adequate enough? "Good enough " is NOT good enough.
sullim4 Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 But your whole post is predicated on picking up Tyrod option TT holds the cards at this point. If the Bills decline his option and offer to renegotiate, he walks... there will be a team or two that will make him a starter and pay him. Heck, the Jets could be one of those teams. Cleveland would take him. Maybe a team like San Diego if Rivers is gone? His reaction this week demonstrates he's pissed at the front office for his benching... why go back to that if the team wants to cut your pay?
FireChan Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I am wondering how we would do both trade for romo and draft that high Does not seem possible. 2018 first and 2017 second would lock up Romo, IMO.
bobobonators Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 2018 first and 2017 second would lock up Romo, IMO. No thanks
FireChan Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 No thanks Enjoy 18 years and counting. Whaley will get it right in his next 7 years of employment, maybe.
peterpan Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 The question that Whaley has to consider is being an okay NFL starter good enough to get his team anywhere meaningful? My position is without any hesitation:"I just don't know??" Is being good enough adequate enough? Building a super bowl roster is a lot differnet than find the best QB in the league. A qb like tyrod can help you win partly because of the salary cap. No we cannot afford to pay him 30 mil but im sure that can be renegotiated. With an affordable qb you can build the rest of your roster. TT has shown that he can produce points well above the "game manager" label AND commit little to no turn overs. Salaries for the lucks of rodgers etc can really handcuff your team. We will never have that problem with TT. Please please please resign Tyrod Taylor!!!
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Well ideally we could hang onto on our 2017 first and hope Watson falls there. Then trade the farm behind that pick for Romo. Maybe like a 2018 first and a 2017 3rd or 2nd?Okay, that is fair. That is a ton to give up though for what you hope improves on 26 PPG. If our offense was a disaster I'd probably be cool with it. They aren't though. I'd rather have Tyrod and our next 2 firsts and this year's second than Romo & Watson. If this make sense I think that the Bills are better with Tyrod Taylor, Jamal Adams, Roderick Johnson and Minkah Fitzpatrick than Romo and Watson. That's the type of thing that we are talking about.
bobobonators Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Enjoy 18 years and counting. Whaley will get it right in his next 7 years of employment, maybe. I would totally do except I dont see Romo playing more than a handful of games due to injury. What about a conditional pick if he plays 15/16 games? Id do that. But a 1st and a 2nd for a QB who is one hit away from retirement? Why? Okay, that is fair. That is a ton to give up though for what you hope improves on 26 PPG. If our offense was a disaster I'd probably be cool with it. They aren't though. I'd rather have Tyrod and our next 2 firsts and this year's second than Romo & Watson. If this make sense I think that the Bills are better with Tyrod Taylor, Jamal Adams, Roderick Johnson and Minkah Fitzpatrick than Romo and Watson. That's the type of thing that we are talking about. Yup. 100% agree.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 The question that Whaley has to consider is being an okay NFL starter good enough to get his team anywhere meaningful? My position is without any hesitation:"I just don't know??" Is being good enough adequate enough? The 7th highest scoring offense is good enough to make noise. The defense obviously needs to improve but 26 PPG is good enough to play meaningful football in January.
John from Riverside Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 2018 first and 2017 second would lock up Romo, IMO. OK....so if you give up your 1st then your not taking a QB in this next years draft in the first? Am I missing something?
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I respect your view of TT, but I don't understand it.. You keep saying he is not good enough, but he directed the 7th rated scoring offense though week 16. Isn't scoring points what it's all about?He's an inadequate passer who manages to balance out a bit of that with his legs and play-making ability. The problem is that he isn't consistent, and doesn't string together drives often enough. A massive percentage of the Bills scores were on quick strike long plays. Because of that (read short offensive possessions) it leaves the defense out on the field far too long and too often. If Tyrod is a guy who requires strong defensive performances to win consistently, he does a lousy job of setting his defense up for success. Add to that his great difficulty (read: near inability) to lead his team back from behind... Time to move on.
Jonesyyy Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I don't normally comment on here, I mostly just read what people say! If you cant see how much better QB he is then other QB's you don't watch football. Plus he is night and day between him and the backups! He is limited in what he does by the coaching not his ability! Yes he is not Peyton or Tom B. but he is a franchise QB and would have taken us to the playoffs with a half decent defense.
rant_and_go Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 A major league team once started a dwarf in the batting lineup. Seeing an NFL QB stand on his tip toes to throw over the middle reminds me of that. TT gets yards because no one can see him run. The dwarf gets on base because he has no strike zone. Cardale actually looked really good. Already he's talking too many hits. Don't go to Lynn. Running the read-option with a QB who's fatter than Sheldon Richardson should tell you a lot.Coughlin, Cardale, McCoy and Watkins will be perfect for each other. Sign Gilmore, draft a MLB. That's the problem with the safeties, the browns can't stop the runs.
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