BigBuff423 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Personally, I don't like Watson. But if the team WERE to Draft him, I would hate the idea of doing so in the 1st round. I don't think he is worth that kind of investment. However, just like E.J., if the BILLS do draft him, I will pull for the guy to be successful because he wears the Bills' colors. I'm hoping the Draft a QB in the 2nd round, using a 1st on a Safety or Defensive Lineman based on the value once the pick is there....but, I can also see the value in the Bills selling out for everything to get "their guy", even trading UP, if there is a QB they so wholeheartedly believe in to be the future of the Franchise. In other words, sell out for everything to get the face of the franchise, or wait until the 2nd round to get your QB.
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I actually do believe him at 6'2. I think he looks about that on tv.
Kirby Jackson Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 If you recall In my illuminating "Karlos is Key" thread.. I went on record as saying that his "off the field issues were the one thing that kept me up nights" Had karlos stayed clean, he would have been a tremendous help... Perhaps even balanced-out Taylors limitations as a QB.. You also said that you wouldn't trade Karlos Williams for Zeke...
#34fan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 As a card carrying member of the COT I actually like Watson a lot....we NEED to improve our talent at the QB position. I absolutely would draft the kid To be fair, John you were also on the Ryan train until about three weeks ago... Nevertheless, If your interested, I'm recruiting for TEAM CARDALE.. and team FIRE DAVE LEE.. Hit me up, if you're interested.
aristocrat Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 where would you play Peppers? crazy speed, nice height...free safety and let him pick balls off back there. though he does play some lb and is a decent tackler.
Kirby Jackson Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 crazy speed, nice height...free safety and let him pick balls off back there. though he does play some lb and is a decent tackler. The problem is I don't think that he has 1 more interception than me in his college career. We have the same amount of forced fumbles and fumble recoveries. He is a great athlete but is he a great football player?
#34fan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I recall you saying you'd take him over Zeke. ... And still would, IF things hadn't gone so badly for K. Williams... He was a beast of a runner... Watching Zeke hit holes big enough to fit a Zamboni makes me think -"WOW... What could Karlos have done with that"
aristocrat Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 to the guys saying we haven't groomed a qb in 20 years what are we doing with tyrod? we haven't asked him to do a lot, just manage the offense really and never really let him loose. i feel like he's been developing and people don't realize it. remember russ wilson wasn't asked to do much his first few years and only the past 2 season has he thrown for over 4k yards. before that it was pretty close to tyrod. now can tyrod take another step? maybe another year in the same offense...lynn...only giving him more and actually giving him a full season of healthy sammy. The problem is I don't think that he has 1 more interception than me in his college career. We have the same amount of forced fumbles and fumble recoveries. He is a great athlete but is he a great football player? i thought he had a lot more picks. maybe hooker from ohio state then?
#34fan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 You also said that you wouldn't trade Karlos Williams for Zeke... And I was dead damn serious... FTR, I don't think Zeke is anywhere NEAR as productive coming out of our backfield... McCoy is a special talent... He MAKES space where other backs simply FIND it... Perfect 1-2 punch when paired with K-Williams... Woulda been awesome...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 to the guys saying we haven't groomed a qb in 20 years what are we doing with tyrod? we haven't asked him to do a lot, just manage the offense really and never really let him loose. i feel like he's been developing and people don't realize it. remember russ wilson wasn't asked to do much his first few years and only the past 2 season has he thrown for over 4k yards. before that it was pretty close to tyrod. now can tyrod take another step? maybe another year in the same offense...lynn...only giving him more and actually giving him a full season of healthy sammy. i thought he had a lot more picks. maybe hooker from ohio state then? He's staying in school (but I love him). Adams at LSU is my guy but doubt that he makes it to us. There are some really good safeties and corners in this draft though. And I was dead damn serious... FTR, I don't think Zeke is anywhere NEAR as productive coming out of our backfield... McCoy is a special talent... He MAKES space where other backs simply FIND it... Perfect 1-2 punch when paired with K-Williams... Woulda been awesome... He is the highest graded blocking back that Scouts Inc. has ever graded. In addition, he has more catches, yards and yards per catch than Karlos Williams in his career. I'm not trying to argue but I am trying to figure out which metric you would use to make Karlos Williams a superior player to Zeke? I would bet if you polled the 300 or whatever personnel people in the NFL you would get 300 that would pick Zeke.
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 ... And still would, IF things hadn't gone so badly for K. Williams... He was a beast of a runner... Watching Zeke hit holes big enough to fit a Zamboni makes me think -"WOW... What could Karlos have done with that" Yea your problem is you still insist you were right even if all the evidence in hindsight suggests you were not. It is okay when you are picking the dark horse all the time to be wrong once in a while.
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) crazy speed, nice height...free safety and let him pick balls off back there. though he does play some lb and is a decent tackler. he has good agility but does not have fast straight line speed. His coverage skills are not good and I can't see him covering NFL players. He is barely a mediocre safety and that's in college. Way small to play LB in the NFL. He played the viper position in college which has him off the edge a lot for TFL. His best position in the NFL is on offense and PR IMO. I might take him in the 4th as a project. to the guys saying we haven't groomed a qb in 20 years what are we doing with tyrod? we haven't asked him to do a lot, just manage the offense really and never really let him loose. i feel like he's been developing and people don't realize it. remember russ wilson wasn't asked to do much his first few years and only the past 2 season has he thrown for over 4k yards. before that it was pretty close to tyrod. now can tyrod take another step? maybe another year in the same offense...lynn...only giving him more and actually giving him a full season of healthy sammy. i thought he had a lot more picks. maybe hooker from ohio state then? he has one INT and it was thrown right to him. Edited December 30, 2016 by YoloinOhio
John from Riverside Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 To be fair, John you were also on the Ryan train until about three weeks ago... Nevertheless, If your interested, I'm recruiting for TEAM CARDALE.. and team FIRE DAVE LEE.. Hit me up, if you're interested. The team quit on Rex....on the D side anyway. When the team quits on you you cannot replace 53 players that is not practical.....you have to replace the 1. I was nervous after year 1....but when I saw the D lose ONE plaer (aaron williams) and slowly start to fall apart...you know that Rex D just could not survive in today's NFL. When you contrast that with the O side of the ball that has been injured all year and still manufactures the 7th most points in the NFL.....that looks really bad on the defensive genious. I will tell you what I will give the bills mgt credit for.....not waiting as long as the jets did to realize their mistake and move on. I had NO confidence this defense would be any better next year which is not air to the offense or to US as fans
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 The team quit on Rex....on the D side anyway. When the team quits on you you cannot replace 53 players that is not practical.....you have to replace the 1. I was nervous after year 1....but when I saw the D lose ONE plaer (aaron williams) and slowly start to fall apart...you know that Rex D just could not survive in today's NFL. When you contrast that with the O side of the ball that has been injured all year and still manufactures the 7th most points in the NFL.....that looks really bad on the defensive genious. I will tell you what I will give the bills mgt credit for.....not waiting as long as the jets did to realize their mistake and move on. I had NO confidence this defense would be any better next year which is not air to the offense or to US as fans This point is a great one, and not talked about enough.
#34fan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) He is the highest graded blocking back that Scouts Inc. has ever graded. In addition, he has more catches, yards and yards per catch than Karlos Williams in his career. I'm not trying to argue but I am trying to figure out which metric you would use to make Karlos Williams a superior player to Zeke? I would bet if you polled the 300 or whatever personnel people in the NFL you would get 300 that would pick Zeke. At the time, I took him over Zeke because of where we drafted him, and his PROVEN production in the pro game... Zeke hadn't taken any NFL snaps yet, so the choice was clear... If anything made K a superior choice, (I never said he was a superior PLAYER)- It was his proven performance at the next level. -Especially in our system. Yea your problem is you still insist you were right even if all the evidence in hindsight suggests you were not. It is okay when you are picking the dark horse all the time to be wrong once in a while. Wait a minute Bill.. I said "Karlos is key"... I never said he was an angel.... And I certainly owned the high probability of off-the-field issues... We lost some close ones this year... Those Nine TD's could have come in handy. Karlos could have very well been "key" had fate not intervened... See "wide right" Edited December 30, 2016 by #34fan
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) He's staying in school (but I love him). Adams at LSU is my guy but doubt that he makes it to us. There are some really good safeties and corners in this draft though. He is the highest graded blocking back that Scouts Inc. has ever graded. In addition, he has more catches, yards and yards per catch than Karlos Williams in his career. I'm not trying to argue but I am trying to figure out which metric you would use to make Karlos Williams a superior player to Zeke? I would bet if you polled the 300 or whatever personnel people in the NFL you would get 300 that would pick Zeke. i had the opportunity to go to bowl practice the week before Christmas. Hooker looked enormous. I think he got bigger/stronger since 11/26. Edited December 30, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Dr. Who Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I feel like this guy is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. All this talk of tanking. For what? We're not doing it to get a better offensive tackle. It has to be to address the QB situation. To me, Watson has to be a serious consideration. Trubiskey is unlikely to be there when we pick. I have liked Watson for a year. To me, he has many of the same qualities I liked about Prescott, only he's better! The calmness in the pocket while he surveys the field, coupled with Tyrod athleticism, but bigger. Is he a finished product? Not by any means. But there just aren't that many Andrew Luck's around. I would like to draft him in the first and even play him. Let us just say, like the Emperor to Annakin, "I will be watching his post-season with great interest"! Serious comments are invited. Not the "No Thanks" Mr. Negativity posts. I like him a lot, Wagon, but the naysayers seem to think he is Taylor 2.0. I'd be enthused if we got him.
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) I like him a lot, Wagon, but the naysayers seem to think he is Taylor 2.0. I'd be enthused if we got him. He is nothing like Taylor... I can't understand this comparison at all when I see it. Edited December 30, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Maury Ballstein Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 He is nothing like Taylor... I can't understand this comparison at all when I see it. Nothing like Taylor. He loves to sit in pocket and makes throws all over the field. Watson or Mitch would give us a solid prospect.
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