The Big Cat Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 At first, I thought he'd be an obvious choice to come in as DC and return our team to relevance. Upon closer review, I'm not sure that's the case. He had two great years in Seattle following two bad years. The Seattle defense never skipped a beat once he left, and actually got better, a lot better. Meanwhile, in Jacksonville, outside this year, his defenses there were pretty lousy too. Here's how his defenses have ranked (PTS/YDS): 2009: 25/24 2010: 27/27 2011: 9/7 2012: 4/1* ------------- 2013: 28/27 2014: 26/26 2015: 31/24 2016: 26/4 *since his departure from Seattle, their defenses have finished: 2013: 1/1 2014: 1/1 2015: 1/2 2016: 2/7 Soooooooooooo, may be I'm missing something here, but from 10,000 feet, this doesn't look that great. Can somebody help me understand why he'd be a good pick? And if there's no good explanation, then may be we can not throw a **** fit if he's not hired. May be.
BrooklynBills Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 He's not good. Pete Carroll and Dan Quinn are.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 The most important ability is availability, and Gus is available!
boyst Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I don't want him; I don't see him able to adapt or freelance to put players in position to succeed
Pirate Angel Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) I was thinking maybe one of swartzs top assistant to bring back the wide nine, a superior scheme with our personell and many players know the system with a benefit of its simplicity Edited December 30, 2016 by BILLriant
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Are you taking into account the fact that the Jacksonville offense goes three and out a lot?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Are you taking into account the fact that the Jacksonville offense goes three and out a lot? They do go 3 & out more than us, anyway. 24% of their drives go 3 and out, which is good for 25th in the league. We're at 22.2%, ranked 20th
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 He's not good. Pete Carroll and Dan Quinn are. Quinn was a giant joke in Atl. Still is with all his sayings and such. Since Quinn is winning all is well. Once Quinn starts losing, he will be an easy fire. No thanks to Bradley, cast off HC to assistant coaches is a one way ticket South.
bobobonators Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 At first, I thought he'd be an obvious choice to come in as DC and return our team to relevance. Upon closer review, I'm not sure that's the case. He had two great years in Seattle following two bad years. The Seattle defense never skipped a beat once he left, and actually got better, a lot better. Meanwhile, in Jacksonville, outside this year, his defenses there were pretty lousy too. Here's how his defenses have ranked (PTS/YDS): 2009: 25/24 2010: 27/27 2011: 9/7 2012: 4/1* ------------- 2013: 28/27 2014: 26/26 2015: 31/24 2016: 26/4 *since his departure from Seattle, their defenses have finished: 2013: 1/1 2014: 1/1 2015: 1/2 2016: 2/7 Soooooooooooo, may be I'm missing something here, but from 10,000 feet, this doesn't look that great. Can somebody help me understand why he'd be a good pick? And if there's no good explanation, then may be we can not throw a **** fit if he's not hired. May be. Thanks for doing the research. I had not. The most important part to me from that is that Seattle hasnt missed him. Who would you like to see run our defense?
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I won't bang the desk for Gus but there's a few things I'd point out: 1) I like former head coaches becoming coordinators. I can't really explain it but I think it brings some more professionalism to your staff. And by all accounts, Gus is a great guy. 2) to go from 27 to 4 is a huge improvement. It's the exact opposite of what Rex did. That team was a joke defensive and now is a good unit. 3) you underestimate how bad Bortles sucks. The Jags gave the ball away 28 & 27 times the last 2 years (tied for 2nd worst this year). Their points/ game is completely flawed because of those turnovers. I won't go crazy if they don't get Bradley but I think he is a good DC & a very positive influence in the Locker who the players would love to play for.
bobobonators Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I won't bang the desk for Gus but there's a few things I'd point out: 1) I like former head coaches becoming coordinators. I can't really explain it but I think it brings some more professionalism to your staff. And by all accounts, Gus is a great guy. 2) to go from 27 to 4 is a huge improvement. It's the exact opposite of what Rex did. That team was a joke defensive and now is a good unit. 3) you underestimate how bad Bortles sucks. The Jags gave the ball away 28 & 27 times the last 2 years (tied for 2nd worst this year). Their points/ game is completely flawed because of those turnovers. I won't go crazy if they don't get Bradley but I think he is a good DC & a very positive influence in the Locker who the players would love to play for. Great points
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Thanks for doing the research. I had not. The most important part to me from that is that Seattle hasnt missed him. Who would you like to see run our defense? I get this point but I don't think it's that simple. Seattle has done a great job keeping its defensive big time players together. Given how bad the Jags offense is and how deflating turnovers can be to a defense, I think he did an awesome job defensive in Jacksonville. Starting Poz.
bobobonators Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I get this point but I don't think it's that simple. Seattle has done a great job keeping its defensive big time players together. Given how bad the Jags offense is and how deflating turnovers can be to a defense, I think he did an awesome job defensive in Jacksonville. Starting Poz. I agree on Jax. Its hard to measure Gus's effectiveness when the offense turns it over so much.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I'd take Pettine over Bradley. Our run defense sucked under Pettine. I'm sick of guys rushing for 200 yards/ game. And why does every like going to the past so much? Get some new blood. I agree on Jax. Its hard to measure Gus's effectiveness when the offense turns it over so much. Agree. They were playing really good defense the 2nd half of the year. Playing defense when you have Bortles and for a garbage franchise llle Jacksonville has to be pretty depressing.
Augie Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Our run defense sucked under Pettine. I'm sick of guys rushing for 200 yards/ game. And why does every like going to the past so much? Get some new blood. Agree. They were playing really good defense the 2nd half of the year. Playing defense when you have Bortles and for a garbage franchise llle Jacksonville has to be pretty depressing. Agreed on Pettine and 200 yard rushers. Enough!
John from Riverside Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Just give me a DC that actually excells at coaching defenses that fit our players abilities
RCN Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Our run defense sucked under Pettine. I'm sick of guys rushing for 200 yards/ game. Not only that, but we frequently gave up big plays on 3rd and long.
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Our run defense sucked under Pettine. I'm sick of guys rushing for 200 yards/ game. And why does every like going to the past so much? Get some new blood. Agree. They were playing really good defense the 2nd half of the year. Playing defense when you have Bortles and for a garbage franchise llle Jacksonville has to be pretty depressing. Petrine was above average.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) At first, I thought he'd be an obvious choice to come in as DC and return our team to relevance. Upon closer review, I'm not sure that's the case. He had two great years in Seattle following two bad years. The Seattle defense never skipped a beat once he left, and actually got better, a lot better. Meanwhile, in Jacksonville, outside this year, his defenses there were pretty lousy too. Here's how his defenses have ranked (PTS/YDS): 2009: 25/24 2010: 27/27 2011: 9/7 2012: 4/1* ------------- 2013: 28/27 2014: 26/26 2015: 31/24 2016: 26/4 *since his departure from Seattle, their defenses have finished: 2013: 1/1 2014: 1/1 2015: 1/2 2016: 2/7 Soooooooooooo, may be I'm missing something here, but from 10,000 feet, this doesn't look that great. Can somebody help me understand why he'd be a good pick? And if there's no good explanation, then may be we can not throw a **** fit if he's not hired. May be. Seattle runs a very simple scheme........none of their DC's can be considered field-tactically special, IMO. They do not change what they do for specific opponents..........a key reason why Tyrod had the big day against them......and then reverted back to normal the following week. If you don't have the horses in that D it is vulnerable. I think the Bills have most of the fast, attacking personnel to implement a Seattle type D effectively. What you are hoping to get.........competitiveness........very fast play.....gang tackling.......tackling soundly and aggressively.........hold up ball carriers and strip the football. These are things that have been absent for most of Rex tenure in Buffalo. Fred Jackson was on WGR today and he was gushing about the Seattle approach.......they are constantly in friendly competition with each other in that lockerroom.........and when you think about it, competitiveness is really the difference in this game. What teams hope they get from guys like Gus and Dan Quinn is a piece of that environment. But since it's simple.......you need talent. Edited December 30, 2016 by #BADOL
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